Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Cutie Gwen]

dante as a character isnt about what he needs. he's about how much he wants to style and gameplay-wise he is defined accross multiple games as having a lot of specials and being hard to master. if he gets in i'd expect him to reflect that.

I get that because Dante SHOULD be more technical than most but he doesn't need all the things you listed to do that

Only thing Dante needs is the Royal Gyard stance for the disrespect hype.

Nah fam we need this as a down smash

 

[Deleted member]

Nah fam we need this as a down smash
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I'll one-up you and say what we REALLY need is Dante in Smash.

 

[osby]

dante as a character isnt about what he needs. he's about how much he wants to style and gameplay-wise he is defined accross multiple games as having a lot of specials and being hard to master. if he gets in i'd expect him to reflect that.

Okay, but Smash is inherently a much simpler and beginner-friendly game.

Dante having multiple fighter abilities like Bayonetta is a reasonable expectation but trying to cram every single thing he does in DMC would result in an overcomplicated moveset that doesn't work well in the context of Smash.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

So someone pointed this out with me regarding the protagonist first rule.

Well...Explain why Robin got in before Chrom then? Hmmm...

There goes Spring Man's chances.

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

Okay, but Smash is inherently a much simpler and beginner-friendly game.

Dante having multiple fighter abilities like Bayonetta is a reasonable expectation but trying to cram every single thing he does in DMC would result in an overcomplicated moveset that doesn't work well in the context of Smash.

We still have characters in the game that are hard to master like Shulk, Ryu, Ken, Sheik, Ice Climbers and Peach/Daisy were the BPM is really high. Dante would be fine if he's relatively complicated to play.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

So someone pointed this out with me regarding the protagonist first rule.

Well...Explain why Robin got in before Chrom then? Hmmm...

There goes Spring Man's chances.

...It refers to the first in an actual franchise. Marth is the first Fire Emblem character. Also, the rule is still loose if you remember Pokemon was a clear exception(cause let's be real, a Pokemon Trainer who can't switch Pokemon isn't a strong representation. If Sakurai even thought about using him back then).

That, and Robin is also a protagonist in the story. It has 3 protagonists. The story focuses on Chrom, Lucina, and Robin overall. Lucina from my understanding has the least focus. They aren't a case of a "supporting cast" either. They're actually a core character and exist on their own merit.

This is besides it being more of a fan rule, but it makes sense to add a protagonist of a story first in most cases. Or the main player character(which oftentimes is the Avatar in a series. FE Awakening and Animal Crossing are two such examples of that. More could come up, like Steve).

 

[osby]

So someone pointed this out with me regarding the protagonist first rule.

Well...Explain why Robin got in before Chrom then? Hmmm...

There goes Spring Man's chances.

Isn't Robin your player avatar in Awakening? You can argue Chrom plays a more central role in the story for the most part, but it wouldn't be wrong to call Robin deuteragonist along with him. Plus, that "rule" wasn't iron-clad in the first place because of Pikachu.

I'd say that being the cover boy of ARMS along with Ribbon Girl still gives Spring Man a decent chance at being playable.

 

[Trevenant]

So someone pointed this out with me regarding the protagonist first rule.

Well...Explain why Robin got in before Chrom then? Hmmm...

There goes Spring Man's chances.

Don't really think that's the point. That was for a franchise already represented. Name a single time a new franchise has been represented via a character in smash and it was anyone other than the mascot or the protagonist. Did we get Dunban before Shulk or Tifa before Cloud? The assist trophy isn't going to stop them either. I don't really think 'there goes springmans chances' is necessary either. Pokemon is pretty much the outlier but the pattern has held up for a good 20 years or so and imo doesn't seem to be going anywhere anytime soon

 

[Cosmic77]

Best not to make the mistake of, "If I say Spring Man won't get in enough times, that'll actually happen."

He has a decent chance, and the AT nor the Spirit nor the fact that Nintendo didn't reveal the character are proof that he's dead.

 

[osby]

We still have characters in the game that are hard to master like Shulk, Ryu, Ken, Sheik, Ice Climbers and Peach/Daisy were the BPM is really high. Dante would be fine if he's relatively complicated to play.

Keyword being "master". I can easily pick up and play Peach, Shulk, and Sheik as a casual player. Ryu is harder but still perfectly playable without his command inputs.

It's hard to imagine Sakurai compromising accessibility when even highly unique characters follow a simple design principle for the most part.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Honestly, all the characters in Smash are easy to play as. Adapting to a new version of them is harder than just by default playing as them. Terry's not that complicated by default. You trying to use everything they have to offer is another story. But that was hard to do back then with Marth in Melee when Dancing Blade wasn't automatic/hyper easy to use(the hardest was timing the angle at best in Brawl and later).

If anything, Master Hand in WoL might be the only one arguably a bit more difficult. And he's not playable beyond that. He's a non-traditional character that can't perform attacks in a simple manner, so being a one-shot thing is fair.

...Also, I heard weirdly Crazy Hand was playable in Ultimate? I don't think that's the case? Crazy Hand just helps out Master Hand in the battle.

 

[BernkastelWitch]

There's only a few series I think that works on breaking the Protagonist first rule: Tekken and Danganronpa being two of them.

Kazuya and Jin are seen as protagonists while Heihachi is usually seen as the main antagonist. Logically Kazuya and Jin would get in by this rule but Heihachi is the mascot of Tekken, been there since the first game, and is more recognizable than either Kazuya or Jin. It also helps Sakurai once considered him for Smash 4 but couldn't think of accurately getting the heart of Tekken into Smash at the time. It may change now, though.

Monokuma has been in every Danganronpa game in some capacity, mostly as the main antagonist. He's Spike Chunsofts baby and IMO would be more fitting than Makoto/Hajime/Kaede due to how important he has been in every game while the protagonist rotates each game. Also I just can't imagine Makoto fighting on the same battlefield as Mario while I can picture Monokuma taking out Mario and Zelda.


Those two are exceptions I think can work on the supposed Protagonist First Rule.

 

[Koopaul]

If Spring Man isn't the DLC fighter I'm gonna have to hear people saying "Spring Man is no longer ARMS' mascot! Hooray!" for years until the sequel. The hate boner for Spring Man is unbelievably annoying.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

There's only a few series I think that works on breaking the Protagonist first rule: Tekken and Danganronpa being two of them.

Kazuya and Jin are seen as protagonists while Heihachi is usually seen as the main antagonist. Logically Kazuya and Jin would get in by this rule but Heihachi is the mascot of Tekken, been there since the first game, and is more recognizable than either Kazuya or Jin. It also helps Sakurai once considered him for Smash 4 but couldn't think of accurately getting the heart of Tekken into Smash at the time. It may change now, though.

Monokuma has been in every Danganronpa game in some capacity, mostly as the main antagonist. He's Spike Chunsofts baby and IMO would be more fitting than Makoto/Hajime/Kaede due to how important he has been in every game while the protagonist rotates each game. Also I just can't imagine Makoto fighting on the same battlefield as Mario while I can picture Monokuma taking out Mario and Zelda.


Those two are exceptions I think can work on the supposed Protagonist First Rule.

Soul Calibur as well. Nightmare's not just the mascot alone, he's been the core character from the start as well by essentially being a part of Siegfried right away.

Killer Instinct too, since Fulgore just outweighs Jago in everything.

There's a decent amount of series that having different important characters for that.

I agree with your options though. The most important part is if they're a main character in the story as well. Pikachu would count as one in Pokemon Yellow by all means. That, and well, anime. Being the mascot is still pretty clearly why it got in, but definitely has main character status too.

 

[Trevenant]

There's only a few series I think that works on breaking the Protagonist first rule: Tekken and Danganronpa being two of them.

Kazuya and Jin are seen as protagonists while Heihachi is usually seen as the main antagonist. Logically Kazuya and Jin would get in by this rule but Heihachi is the mascot of Tekken, been there since the first game, and is more recognizable than either Kazuya or Jin. It also helps Sakurai once considered him for Smash 4 but couldn't think of accurately getting the heart of Tekken into Smash at the time. It may change now, though.

Monokuma has been in every Danganronpa game in some capacity, mostly as the main antagonist. He's Spike Chunsofts baby and IMO would be more fitting than Makoto/Hajime/Kaede due to how important he has been in every game while the protagonist rotates each game. Also I just can't imagine Makoto fighting on the same battlefield as Mario while I can picture Monokuma taking out Mario and Zelda.


Those two are exceptions I think can work on the supposed Protagonist First Rule.

I've always thought it 'd be fun to see how Samurai would incorporate the Dangonronpa protags. Every moveset I've seen just incorporates the courtroom mechanics like the truth bullets but tweaks them to function better in smash like making the truth bullets weak stunning projectiles and such but Sakurai would inevitably go the extra mile and incorporate them to be closer to the source material and more unique. I don't how though.

 

[Deleted member]

So someone pointed this out with me regarding the protagonist first rule.

Well...Explain why Robin got in before Chrom then? Hmmm...

There goes Spring Man's chances.

Robin shares the protagonist role with Chrom. One doesn't dominate the other (in story) and it's a good dynamic.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

So someone pointed this out with me regarding the protagonist first rule.

Well...Explain why Robin got in before Chrom then? Hmmm...

There goes Spring Man's chances.

Robin is a protagonist. We've been over this.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

So someone pointed this out with me regarding the protagonist first rule.

Well...Explain why Robin got in before Chrom then? Hmmm...

There goes Spring Man's chances.

Robin is a protagonist though.

Plus, that "rule" wasn't iron-clad in the first place because of Pikachu.

Pikachu is the protagonist of Pokemon Yellow.

 

[Trevenant]

Pikachu is the protagonist of Pokemon Yellow.

I don't know whether this is sarcasm or actual seriousness. I'm leaning towards the latter

 

[CaptainAmerica]

If Spring Man isn't the DLC fighter I'm gonna have to hear people saying "Spring Man is no longer ARMS' mascot! Hooray!" for years until the sequel. The hate boner for Spring Man is unbelievably annoying.

In fairness, "Spring Man got in, so now Waluigi/Isaac/Midna/Skull Kid/The Moon is a shoo-in!" is also going to get annoying as well.

I do want Springo as the character. I won't mind if it's just him or if they modify him into a set of alts, but I would like him as the choice. But if he is, I don't think this'll open the floodgates to a bunch of other assists or spirits to get the promotion - and definitely I think the new spirits added post Season 2 decision are out.

In truth, I really have no clue where this DLC is gonna go. I'm a reasonably casual gamer and I stick to what I know, so I only knew about one of the five characters we got so far outside of this website (and even with the debates here, there were still two I would not have known if you just showed me a picture of them).

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Pikachu is the protagonist of Pokemon Yellow.

No, that's still Red.

Pikachu is however a main character in it, and more of a supporting character for Red.

He is however co-protagonists with Ash in the anime overall, since it stars both their adventures. And Ash's obviously the more important one.

In addition to that, the first game game where PIkachu was an actual protagonist specifically is Hey You! Pikachu. And that still had controls akin to regular Pokemon Training, as you told Pikachu what to do.

He's not really ever had a standalone role outside of an episode or two in the anime. And technically some mini-movies that were made after Smash existed.

 

[Will]

Pikachu is the protagonist of Pokemon Yellow.

Pokemon Red, Blue, and Green: Red takes down a criminal organization and becomes Pokemon Champion

Pokemon Yellow: Pikachu gains sentience, takes down a criminal organization, and wins a fighting tournament with his human slave Red.

 

[Koopaul]

In fairness, "Spring Man got in, so now Waluigi/Isaac/Midna/Skull Kid/The Moon is a shoo-in!" is also going to get annoying as well.

I do want Springo as the character. I won't mind if it's just him or if they modify him into a set of alts, but I would like him as the choice. But if he is, I don't know if this'll open the floodgates to a bunch of other assists or spirits to get the promotion - and definitely I think the new spirits added post Season 2 decision are out.

I wouldn't worry about floodgates. There's only 5 more fighters after this one. And yeah, the people who will be hyped for Assist Trophy promotions will be annoying. If they had common sense they'd know that the chances of another Assist Trophy becoming a fighter are slim to none.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

That “rule” about “protagonist first” makes a lot more sense if it’s the “protagonist or mascot first rule”. At least, that’s how I characterize it.

In context, Pokémon Trainer wouldn’t be first anyway because the only way to make that moveset work would be after Smash 64, as I can imagine a Pokémon Trainer being accurately depicted and using 3 different Pokémon in a swapping mechanic is not something that would be realizable in a Nintendo 64 pilot mascot fighting crossover.

It’s a pretty stable rule. Robin is not as example of breaking that rule, and not because he wasn’t the first. He is one of three main characters.

Folks were like, “Yo Owain is awesome and popular! He’s gonna get in over Chrom because Chrom is LAME!” Except Owain is one of, like, 20 side characters. Side characters don’t usually get in until the protag is in, and even so, that’s assuming they come from a series that doesn’t have a rotating cast like Fire Emblem.

I don’t really think it’s that complicated. I’m not even arguing for this rule to be like, “HAHA LOOK I TOLD YOU”, but more like, “Hey precedent shows that this is a thing to keep in mind when making character predictions or talking about who may have a better shot, and is something that leans in Spring Mans favor though not outright confirming him!”

Does that make sense?

 

[CaptainAmerica]

No, that's still Red.

Pikachu is however a main character in it, and more of a supporting character for Red.

He is however co-protagonists with Ash in the anime overall, since it stars both their adventures. And Ash's obviously the more important one.

In addition to that, the first game game where PIkachu was an actual protagonist specifically is Hey You! Pikachu. And that still had controls akin to regular Pokemon Training, as you told Pikachu what to do.

He's not really ever had a standalone role outside of an episode or two in the anime. And technically some mini-movies that were made after Smash existed.

Counterpoint: Series Mascot =/= Protagonist

If I showed this picture to any random person, would they know what game it is?

Now imagine this one:

Aww, remember when he used to be tubby?

Remember - there is one set of games (okay two if you include the Coliseum ones) that you can't get a Pika in, and that's the B/W set. How many old people do we like to joke about who think that all Pokémon are called "Pikachu?" It's completely reasonable that they would have picked Pika over Red.

The one area where this argument starts to break down is the DQ Hero, since the Slimes are more well-known than the protags. But I'll also say that in DQ, your character is still the one doing the fighting, not the slime (and someone correct me if I'm wrong, I don't know DQ at all). In Pokémon, your character runs around the overworld, but the mons do the fighting.

Maybe Jiggles over any other mons is the weirder choice, or Pichu, but both of those were clones of existing characters. Also Mewtwo was a weird choice before Red or Charizard, but again - Red doesn't really do anything in the series other than walk around, it's the mons who do stuff. And as much as people don't like it, the way Red is in game now with the switching mechanic is about the most faithful they could get for the series.

 

[Koopaul]

But at this point Spring Man is sort of treated as the series mascot. I'd argue ARMS has no protagonist (at this time). Spring Man is instead treated as the face of the series.

 

[Deleted member]

The one area where this argument starts to break down is the DQ Hero, since the Slimes are more well-known than the protags. But I'll also say that in DQ, your character is still the one doing the fighting, not the slime (and someone correct me if I'm wrong, I don't know DQ at all).

You can optionally recruit slimes in some mainline DQ games (off the top of my head, DQ 4, 5 and 6) and they fight like your standard party members. However, they are most definitely not the focus of the games nor even the main characters.

They play more prominence in spinoffs and that's about it.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Counterpoint: Series Mascot =/= Protagonist

If I showed this picture to any random person, would they know what game it is?

Now imagine this one:

Aww, remember when he used to be tubby?

Remember - there is one set of games (okay two if you include the Coliseum ones) that you can't get a Pika in, and that's the B/W set. How many old people do we like to joke about who think that all Pokémon are called "Pikachu?" It's completely reasonable that they would have picked Pika over Red.

The one area where this argument starts to break down is the DQ Hero, since the Slimes are more well-known than the protags. But I'll also say that in DQ, your character is still the one doing the fighting, not the slime (and someone correct me if I'm wrong, I don't know DQ at all). In Pokémon, your character runs around the overworld, but the mons do the fighting.

Maybe Jiggles over any other mons is the weirder choice, or Pichu, but both of those were clones of existing characters. Also Mewtwo was a weird choice before Red or Charizard, but again - Red doesn't really do anything in the series other than walk around, it's the mons who do stuff. And as much as people don't like it, the way Red is in game now with the switching mechanic is about the most faithful they could get for the series.

Yes, Pikachu was a protagonist in a game. And partially in the anime along with Ash. Yes, he plays second fiddle to Red in Yellow overall, since it's a story based directly upon the anime.

What I said was Pikachu has been a main character and a protagonist. Not the main or protagonist of the series as a whole. I never once said that and I don't know where you're getting that idea from.

I did not state he's the series' protagonist at all. Not all mascots are a protagonist at one point. Slime coincidentally has been a protagonist too. That's not a series' protagonist thing. Cause that's not remotely my argument.

Slime actually directly fights in more than one game. DQ Monster series and Rocket Slime. He's a main character in both the story's design, and doesn't hang around a human in Rocket Slime either. He doesn't star as a main character in as much stuff as Pikachu does. Technically speaking, he's a protagonist more often if we only count the games. Co-Protagonist in 3 games. Pikachu is a co-one only in Yellow.

If you want to go further, there's literally only two storylines. Yellow's own, and the reboot timeline with FireRed/LeafGreen. Red stars along with Leaf overall in FR/LG. Either work. Red stars in Yellow with Pikachu playing a major supporting role(to the point of effectively a co-protagonist due to it being based upon the anime).

Overall, you entirely missed my point.

 

[Will]

So fast-forward with me on this, who are we trying to crush each other in arguments about? Some fan rules that won't matter in a couple of months?

You wanna talk about how Melee's Adventure mode was the bomb diggity instead?

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

And as much as people don't like it, the way Red is in game now with the switching mechanic is about the most faithful they could get for the series.

What are you talking about? People love the Pokémon Trainer's implementation. There are exceptions of course, but from what I've seen, DarthEnderX's feelings on the character, and transforming characters in general, aren't the norm. The biggest issue I see of them are that Squirtle and Ivysaur aren't the most popular Pokémon, but that doesn't seem to have stopped the character from being one of the most popular of the Pokémon cast.

You wanna talk about how Melee's Adventure mode was the bomb diggity instead?

I would, but it's off topic in this thread.

 

[SKX31]

But at this point Spring Man is sort of treated as the series mascot. I'd argue ARMS has no protagonist (at this time). Spring Man is instead treated as the face of the series.

Which begs the question if Nintendo has further plans with ARMS or not.

It's honestly befuddled me - it could be just Spring Man yes. But if Nintendo has an ARMS Octoexpansion of sorts in the works, there's Max Brass or Coyle to consider. Keyword being if of course. Ditto with a still possible ARMS 2 and whoever that would focus on (Could turn out that Spring, Ribbon, Min Min etc.).

And that's not going into other Spirit / Mii Costume upgrades which are also a distinct possibility.

 

[Koopaul]

Hm. Is there some sort of confusion between mascot and protagonist? It's very simple. A protagonist is the character that a single game, movie, book, etc, revolves around. The mascot is the character that gets the most promotion throughout the entire franchise.

"Main character" is just another term for protagonist. The Pokémon franchise does not have a "main character" because it's a multimedia franchise with many different games and series that have different protagonists. The Pokémon franchise has a mascot.

Star Wars is another franchise that has multiple protagonists (Luke, Rey, Anakin) but it's mascot is Darth Vader.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

So fast-forward with me on this, who are we trying to crush each other in arguments about? Some fan rules that won't matter in a couple of months?

You wanna talk about how Melee's Adventure mode was the bomb diggity instead?

I loved Melee's adventure mode. tbh I think Melee had the best 1P modes from all of the Smash games.

Smash 64 and Ultimate's classic modes can get repetitive. It is nice that Ultimate has that much thought put behind it, but it does lose some of the replayability after a while. Brawl's was still a bit too structured - at least they randomized the fights, but I really preferred how Melee did that. In Brawl, you always fought the same franchises in the same order, so the first fight was always a 1v1 or rarely a 2v2 with the Zelda series. At level 5, you always fought on Halberd. I preferred how Melee did it with predetermined fights (1v1/2v2/etc) with random opponents, and each character had a home stage.

And then the adventure mode. I loved Subspace, but that would be prohibitive for such a large cast. But WoL is really just a series of event matches. I miss having some platform-y segments outside of right before the final boss, so Melee's adventure mode would be great.

What are you talking about? People love the Pokémon Trainer's implementation. There are exceptions of course, but from what I've seen, DarthEnderX's feelings on the character, and transforming characters in general, aren't the norm. The biggest issue I see of them are that Squirtle and Ivysaur aren't the most popular Pokémon, but that doesn't seem to have stopped the character from being one of the most popular of the Pokémon cast.

Don't get me wrong - The one character I was most excited about was . I loved the trainer since Brawl; I even liked the stamina and type effectiveness mechanics. I know I put at least one ballot vote to reassembling the avengers.

The one thing I think is missing is that the individual mons don't get callouts anymore. In Brawl, the announcer would call them out individually, and now they're always together. Honestly, I'd favor something where you could choose to play one the whole time if you wanted, and if you spent 80% of the match as Squirtle, then the announcer would give a "Squirtle Wins!" at the end. Also I miss seeing the stock icons on the results screen - in Brawl we saw which mon made or got KOd, but now it's always the trainer's face.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Day 3 Of Asking If Vergeben Found Out Anything About League Of Legends In Smash

GIVE IT UP FOR DAY 3

(god im so boreddddddddd)

 

[Dinoman96]

If Spring Man isn't the DLC fighter I'm gonna have to hear people saying "Spring Man is no longer ARMS' mascot! Hooray!" for years until the sequel. The hate boner for Spring Man is unbelievably annoying.

I think the dislike for Spring Man just comes from the fact that ARMS is filled to the brim with all kinds of fantastical characters, with particularly great female designs (one of which is one of the very few notable PoC characters to come from Nintendo), and well, naturally people don't want the "generic" white guy representing it.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Day 3 Of Asking If Vergeben Found Out Anything About League Of Legends In Smash

GIVE IT UP FOR DAY 3

(god im so boreddddddddd)

I've got my eye on the forum. Obvious trolling aside(hoo boy), he hasn't responded yet. I'm not entirely surprised, since many of them are just drama-starters.

Verge's no angel himself, but he never once started drama himself. He responded poorly to it. That's not justified, but the clear problem starts with those who attack him regardless. The term for it in this case is Asshole Victim.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I've got my eye on the forum. Obvious trolling aside(hoo boy), he hasn't responded yet. I'm not entirely surprised, since many of them are just drama-starters.

Verge's no angel himself, but he never once started drama himself. He responded poorly to it. That's not justified, but the clear problem starts with those who attack him regardless. The term for it in this case is Asshole Victim.

i guess it would be safe to assume tho that the reason for the topic he posted "I'll look into it" being deleted is due to piracy/breaking NDA as you suggested. so i guess rip all leak discussion on gfaqs, obvious troll leak or not

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

i guess it would be safe to assume tho that the reason for the topic he posted "I'll look into it" being deleted is due to piracy/breaking NDA as you suggested. so i guess rip all leak discussion on gfaqs, obvious troll leak or not

...Well, maybe?

He's been asked again and it's up. So is the LoL leak. It's a matter of reporting. It could be because a lot of people were flaming and it wanted to be deleted to remove the drama. I'd ask the moderator in question why it was deleted.

Also, to clarify a bit more, he's more victim than asshole in this circumstance. It's also nice that ass is no longer on the swear filter sometimes. XD

 

[blackghost]

Okay, but Smash is inherently a much simpler and beginner-friendly game.

Dante having multiple fighter abilities like Bayonetta is a reasonable expectation but trying to cram every single thing he does in DMC would result in an overcomplicated moveset that doesn't work well in the context of Smash.

i never said he would or should cram everything into dante. they didnt even give bayo a second weapon. i listed all the things Sakurai has done to add depth to characters movesets. dante wont get everything but he should get his signature weapons and moves (even though joker already stole one)

as for smash needing simplier designs or they don't work, thats already objectively been proven false. terry, ryu, shulk, ken, bayo all have notably committed player bases that enjoy a deeper and more complex moveset.

 

[GoodGrief741]

So someone pointed this out with me regarding the protagonist first rule.

Well...Explain why Robin got in before Chrom then? Hmmm...

There goes Spring Man's chances.

You are the most easily convinced person I've ever seen.