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Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

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BernkastelWitch said:
Also other than the Truth Bullet mechanics, I can not even imagine how Makoto/Hajime can even fight. At least Monokuma there's better basis there that we could see him fight, even if cartoonishly. It's just I have a hard time seeing how Makoto or Hajime could work beyond Truth Bullets.
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I'm no real fan, but I remember there being other mechanics besides the truth bullet shenanigans, like the Psyche Taxi in V3, rebuttal showdown, hangman's gambit, etc. Plus there was also a third-person spinoff where you shoot monsters with a megaphone(?), so they can use that somewhere.

Truthfully, I'm not really one to make movesets. However, I do know that it doesn't have to be 1-to-1 with the source material. Hero's magic is entirely chosen by RNG, Joker's personas were limited to Arsene and it's a glorified power meter, Phoenix in UMvC3 had a similar issue with Makoto in which it's taking a fundamentally inappropriate gameplay style for a fighting game--and then making it work. Sakurai can take liberties with all the mechanics I listed, and I can't see Makoto not being chosen if Danganronpa is represented.

That's a very big IF of course. I don't think even the first game is on Switch.
 
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She'd also need to be willing to get significangly lower pay than what she's used to now
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so i looked her up and damn your right she ain't coming back she's only done voice work for two games Xeno and Lego dimensions she seems too big that i don't think they'd pay for her to come back it's a shame
 
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Bolderousness said:
Danganronpa and Xenoblade Chronicles Definitive Edition. We're currently in "when is the next direct?" mode.
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Ah I see, so a bit like everywhere else then haha
I'm pretty much looking forward to that direct for BOTW2 news (Please let the theory be correct... I need that Twili goodness in that game, ESPECIALLY if it means Midna), but otherwise, we have like... 2 AAA Titles coming out this months from Nintendo, and Smash news will have to wait a bit apparently, I can get that it's been some times, but it's not like we're left with nothing in the meantime haha

Looking forward to Xenoblade Chronicles though! Remember this one guy that said it would be cool to have a side quest about finding KOS-MOS on Mekonis, and having to repair her so she could join you, and I'm 100 percent with that guy, awesome idea
 
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Ah I see, so a bit like everywhere else then haha
I'm pretty much looking forward to that direct for BOTW2 news (Please let the theory be correct... I need that Twili goodness in that game, ESPECIALLY if it means Midna), but otherwise, we have like... 2 AAA Titles coming out this months from Nintendo, and Smash news will have to wait a bit apparently, I can get that it's been some times, but it's not like we're left with nothing in the meantime haha
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Pretty much. Animal Crossing and college are enough distractions from waiting--among other games coming out.
 
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Gotta say in terms of Slime vs. Dragon Quest Hero, there’s no debate. Sure, the slime is iconic and the mascot...but in a fighting game, and I’m sure by Dragon Quest fans, they have more of a connection with the Hero than a smol goopy boi. They’re a lot easier to make into a fighter I imagine as well.

While I’ve never played Danganronpa, let’s just remember with the Smash picks this time...Nintendo is calling the shots here. It being whatever genre doesn’t matter as much.

What does matter, in some cases I would expect, is business relations. You want to hype up having Danganronpa on Switch? Add a character from it into your mascot fighter. It’s the same thing I could see happening with NieR Automata and 2B.

I don’t necessarily know that Danganronpa is all that Farfetch’d. We’ll just have to wait and see.

That render though? Definitely looks fan made, and in addition to the utter lack and avoidance of gameplay material itself makes that leak faker than fake.
 
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Gotta day in terms of Slime vs. Dragon Quest Hero, there’s no debate. Sure, the slime is iconic and the mascot...but in a fighting game, and I’m sure by Dragon Quest fans, they have more of a connection with the Hero than a smol goopy boi. They’re a lot easier to make into a fighter I imagine as well.
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As a long time DQ fan... I would actually have taken the party member over the Hero before release, it's always what they use in crossovers, and they had a character + potential for unique weapons, pré release I was really, really scared of what they would do with a DQ Hero if they did get in
Now days... Well, while I wouldn't say to to Alina or Jessica, I'm still really cool with what they made, combining all the Hero into one was the idea I had before that could make it interesting, so I'm glad they indeed went this way

For the Mascot though... I didn't really think about it before, but I would honestly not have said no before the release of Hero, Slime is such an iconic monster that inspired so many RPG after all, plus I would really be interested in what they would make out of it!
But anyway, happy with what we have now, but I was really scared about it before release, the Hero would not have been my first choice, even if they did it super well at the end
 
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Scoliosis Jones said:
Gotta say in terms of Slime vs. Dragon Quest Hero, there’s no debate. Sure, the slime is iconic and the mascot...but in a fighting game, and I’m sure by Dragon Quest fans, they have more of a connection with the Hero than a smol goopy boi.
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I kinda WILL debate that, because even though the Hero is your player insert, each Hero is only present for a single game in the series. Whereas Slime is present in EVERY game. And even has it's own spinoff series. While I prefer getting the Hero, I can fully understand people who wanted Slime instead.

It's no different than getting Pikachu over Pokemon Trainer.
 
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Speaking of Capcom characters, Happy Birthday to Chun-Li!

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I usually hate when people say "Smash Bros feels incomplete without (INSERT CHARACTER NAME HERE)" but for me it really does without her. The first lady of fighting games deserves a spot in Smash Bros, I'd even choose her over Cooking Mama.
 
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Bolderousness said:
I agree that movesets are not an issue, especially when Sakurai always like to go for the protagonists of series. The protagonist represents the game, which is why we saw Hero over Slime. That was my point.
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That said, we don't know if that'll apply to every series either. For certain types of games, I'd think a character who could represent the core gameplay, even if not the player character, still can work. In the case of Slime, that doesn't. Slime isn't the PC in most games, and when he is, it's a completely different genre. Even when he's a main character(Dragon Quest Monsters 1 and 2, where he's your partner. Basically the literal Pikachu in the example), he doesn't have the same abilities beyond spells and just generally able to attack. Also, going to what I said earlier about animations, it actually makes a lot of sense for Hero to be chosen due to having more easy to imagine moves for the non-spells. For Slime to use stuff like Cut, you either would have to give a slimy tentacle or some kind of shapeshifting(including Slime Knight). The issue is that's a lot of extra work for animations. Hero borrows animations from other characters, so even if it wasn't simply because it was the core protagonist of the series in general, animations absolutely make Hero a far more feasible choice to begin with. Sure, I prefer Slime, but development-wise, Hero is the logical choice.

I don't know enough of Dragonropa(I probably spelled that wrong too) to say much. I don't know if Junko would be an ideal choice. I imagine the issue isn't how the moveset works, if she's no different from the player character, though. That said, if the case is more based around that, I could see something like a Hero scenario, with her as the face and using other characters(but I'm guessing the models aren't similar enough to be alts anyway, so that idea probably won't work? Bare with me here as I really don't know the characters. I've seen only Junko and Monakuma as is. I've heard of the series, but never knew it was a Murder Mystery-style Visual Novel. Might not be a proper description, to be fair, though. I'm just going off of what was said here. So I apologize if that's a misleading description).

Though it's true it often applies. In fact, this can also be seen with Animal Crossing, which is why Tom Nook wasn't chosen. He wanted the player character instead to represent the core gameplay. That's something an NPC isn't going to do. A mascot wasn't feasible for the purpose as is. Though it does help that very often a game's mascot happens to be the player character(Sonic, Pac-Man, MegaMan, Ryu, to name a few).

In some cases, that's not workable(though really, the only case is Pikachu at best, as Trainer was nowhere near feasible anyway. Though to be fair, we don't know if he even had an idea for Trainer during Smash 64. I think it was a rumor he thought about it during Melee development).
 
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While "protagonist first" is by no means a hard rule, the fact that Pokémon is so far our one and only exception is pretty telling.

In my opinion the issue lies in "main mascot vs. main mechanics". Pikachu, despite not being the main playable character in Pokémon, is still its mascot and represents the main mechanics of Pokémon battling pretty well. The same can't really be said for Slime, because it wouldn't really use the OG mechanics that the player uses in Dragon Quest's combat (while in Pokémon, the monster's attacks ARE the battle mechanics).

It's also why characters like Heihachi, Scorpion and Nightmare are given a "pass" in that regard, as not only are they iconic in their series, arguably moreso than the actual main characters, they could represent the base mechanics just as well.

The same can probably be applied to Danganronpa. Monokuma is arguably more of a mascot than the main protagonists, yes, but would he really be able to represent the main mechanics that the player uses in the games?
 
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Tbh I want another Pokemon rep if only for the chance that it finally lets us equip Pokeballs and Master balls as spirits.

Like, for real my guy. A ton of the pokeball pokemon are also spirits; why not just make the effect of those spirits 'start with a pokeball with this pokemon in it'?
 
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They say consciousness is an illusion created by the mind, in a similar vein I think the "protagonist first rule" is an illusion created by the minds of Smash Bros fans looking for a deeper meaning behind the roster choices. It's up there with "No Third Party Characters" or Third parties won't get a second rep" that have since gone the way of the Dodo.
 
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In all honesty, it just doesn't sit right with me on Makoto or Hajime being playable over Monokuma if only because they're way too basic and you know there'd be controversy even in the Danganronpa fanbase if they got in over Monokuma. Like the big thing is that Monokuma has appeared as a major character in every installment, has variations of him in UDG, and everything.

I don't know. Something doesn't sit right with me on the idea of Makoto or Hajime getting in over someone who has been in every game and other piece of media.

It may just be me though but I just feel like if we get a Danganronpa rep who isn't Monokuma, even the Danganronpa fanbase may be a bit upset since they expect him to be added in if we ever get a DR character.
 
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Brindor said:
They say consciousness is an illusion created by the mind, in a similar vein I think the "protagonist first rule" is an illusion created by the minds of Smash Bros fans looking for a deeper meaning behind the roster choices. It's up there with "No Third Party Characters" or Third parties won't get a second rep" that have since gone the way of the Dodo.
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I think "protagonist first" is one of those patterns which acting like it's iron-clad is meaningless but it also doesn't come from nowhere.

There's a good amount of evidence to argue in favor of protagonists (especially after Byleth and Hero got in over Edelgard and Slime and how Pokemon is still the only real exception), so saying it's an illusion might be a bit much.

Don't get me wrong, I still think each series is an independent case but let's not disregard every educated observation as a fan-rule just because some people overgeneralize them.
 
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PeridotGX said:
"Alright, it's December 2021. Sakurai, please just reveal fighter six."
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At that point he'll have to release all 6 fighters at once to make it to the deadline. While it'd be a long wait full of nothing for nearly two years, we'd at least have lots to talk once they do release.
 
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Edit: Nevermind, this joke wasn't funny in hindsight.
 
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That Junko art would barely even make a good-enough SFM model, let alone a professional Smash render lol

<granted, Plant's render has a minor error on its pot but like, who'd care about that vs a render that doesn't even properly translate the art style over>
 
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Who do you guys think is the most likely Soul Calibur rep for Smash DLC?
We have:
- Darth Vader
- Spawn
- Link
- Yoda
- Starkiller
- Geralt
- Soul Calibur 6 custom character.

I know it's a long shot, but I think Link has a real shot at getting into smash this time around.
 
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osby said:
I think "protagonist first" is one of those patterns which acting like it's iron-clad is meaningless but it also doesn't come from nowhere.

There's a good amount of evidence to argue in favor of protagonists (especially after Byleth and Hero got in over Edelgard and Slime and how Pokemon is still the only real exception), so saying it's an illusion might be a bit much.

Don't get me wrong, I still think each series is an independent case but let's not disregard every educated observation as a fan-rule just because some people overgeneralize them.
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The thing about it is that we know Sakurai was damn close to breaking it too with Alucard, but he asked himself "Would Castlevania fans be happier with him or a Belmont?" The correct answer was Shanoa but he ended up chosing Belmont as Belmont comes to mind first when thinking of CV
 
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Proceleon said:
Knowing how things are going, we'll get a Dead or Alive character or even ruddy Tobal 2.
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Nah. We're getting Dolichorhynchops from Sea Monsters: a Prehistoric Adventure and not some stupid Endless Ocean character.

On another note, the three games I want spirits for the most are:

Rivals of Aether (The smashalike coming full circle and getting into smash)

Ace Combat (unlikely, as they likely have to license the planes from the actual manufacturers, unless they only use fictional fighters)

Endless Ocean/Everblue (would literally just be stock photos a la Nintendogs, but would hopefully get people talking enough to get us a realistic ocean exploration sim in HD.)
 
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