Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Dinoman96]

I don't really see an Animal Crossing character happening as DLC because I don't think they'd want us to pay $5.99 for a semi-clone.

If Isabelle couldn't get a fully unique moveset then I don't see Tom Nook or whatever getting one either.

 

[nessdeltarune00]

INB4 an Animal crossing character is the one that opens FP2.

It could happen. It's so out there that i'm already bracing for the salt explosion

Are we seriously doing this song and dance again?

There has never been a reveal in a game centered Direct. Remember when everyone was saying that Rillaboom was going to be FP5 just last month? Lol.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I already have Persona 5.

Wait, its being sold individually? And I don’t have to pay $60 for it?

I meant the DLC for 5R, you'd still have to buy P5R for that DLC, sorry for the miscommunication

 

[Cosmic77]

INB4 an Animal crossing character is the one that opens FP2.

It could happen. It's so out there that i'm already bracing for the salt explosion

I wouldn't mind that, but I don't know if they'd actually go that far to promote it.

Tom Nook is the only character who I could see, and it would take a lot of creativity to make him happen. I don't think they can rely on any of Villager or Isabelle's moves because this is a paid DLC character, and people expect something completely orginal.

I don't really see an Animal Crossing character happening as DLC because I don't think they'd want us to pay $5.99 for a semi-clone.

If Isabelle couldn't get a fully unique moveset then I don't see Tom Nook or whatever getting one either.

I don't think semi-clones like Isabelle exist because Sakurai couldn't come up with a more unique moveset. They likely saved a lot of time resuing Villager's moves, and since the moveset was already really unique and underutilized, they probably didn't see the harm in doing it.

Like I said, Tom Nook can be a fully unique character. It'll just require a lot more creativity than other options.

 

[AceAttorney9000]

I don't really see an Animal Crossing character happening as DLC because I don't think they'd want us to pay $5.99 for a semi-clone.

If Isabelle couldn't get a fully unique moveset then I don't see Tom Nook or whatever getting one either.

If Tom Nook wouldn't work, then how about someone who could have a more "unique" moveset, perhaps based entirely on lecturing others about the dangers of resetting your game...

 

[Dinoman96]

I mean Nook is cool and all but I think it'd be honestly pretty ****ed up if he and Villager both got unique movesets while Isabelle, who is essentially the most beloved and iconic AC character and its mascot, just got left overs from Villager for her moveset.

 

[Faso115]

I don't really see an Animal Crossing character happening as DLC because I don't think they'd want us to pay $5.99 for a semi-clone.

If Isabelle couldn't get a fully unique moveset then I don't see Tom Nook or whatever getting one either.

Not a great example, but folks did pay that to play Lucas and Roy back in 4 so anything can happen. Hell, people last month payed that to play another marth :v

Besides, what makes you think they will give another AC character a semi-clone moveset? Anything could happen

 

[Garteam]

I mean, if you paid attention to gaming outside of Nintendo in 2017, 2B and Nier Automata were incredibly hot topics that have remained in the gaming consciousness since then, and Nier Automata continues to cross over with big IPs and make a big splash, and it continues to be considered one of the top games of this generation.

Now while that doesn't mean you have to know 2B or Nier Automata personally, there is an element that people are actively playing down about a breakthrough hit that sold 5 million copies and established a formerly very niche Japanese developer as a mainstream name. Again, it's fine to not know that, but I've also seen people practically revel in the fact that they "DIDN'T EVEN KNOW 2B UNTIL SMASH SPECULATION" and thus use that to bludgeon down her chances and discussion regarding her. The individuals who seem to take their lack of knowledge of certain characters as a point of pride tend to lead to these more extreme reactions, and let's face it, there are people in the Smash fan base who didn't know the likes of incredibly popular third parties until they showed up in Smash. You only have to take a step back to Dragon Quest to realize how fundamentally out of touch some Smash fans can be with recognizing globally popular series (and this was a popular series that had massive ties with Nintendo too). Lack of knowledge is not an issue, but I've rarely seen "I didn't know who this character was until Smash" positioned in genuine good faith.

While I do agree it can be kind of annoying to see the position "I have never heard of this character until now, so there's no way they can get in Smash no matter what", I do think these experiences can be valuable if used properly.

Namely, if a character is being toted as a modern day icon that can be impossible to miss and someone saying they personally have never heard of/can't recognize them, maybe that's indicative of a larger pattern that's largely going unnoticed? Obviously, there's a chance that person's experience is just an anomaly, but I don't see the harm of hearing someone out provided they're being respectful. Who knows, maybe they're just being honest and they just need a formal introduction to a character they'll come to love.

Where I think the issue comes in is this whole "we need to find an explanation for this" attitude towards those who are unfamiliar with 2B. In particular, there seems to be this almost knee-jerk reaction of "It must be they're a Nintendo fan who's unwilling to look outside that sphere", despite the fact there's numerous other ways someone might not have heard of 2B. Assuming literally every copy of Nier: Automata was sold on PS4, that's only an attachment rate of just under 5%, so clearly not everyone who hasn't heard of 2B is a Nintendo die-hard. Perhaps there are people that keep up with gaming as a whole, but don't enjoy ARPGs, so they never bothered to really look into Nier. Alternatively, they keep up with gaming as a whole, but really only buy a few games a year for financial reasons and thusly stick to massive franchises they know personally. Maybe they have heard of Nier: Automata in the past but never bothered to pick it up, never getting acquainted with the characters and world.

2B has a good amount going for her. Sakurai being a fan of her franchise, being the star of the game that put her series on the map, and having said game be a massive critical and financial success can do nothing but help her chances. Having a ton of moveset potential will also help with that. Where discussions about 2B go off the rails and the bubble around her begins is when her "icon status" comes up. 2B isn't a Sonic, 2B isn't a Mega Man, and 2B isn't a Snake. There's going to be a significant amount of people who don't know her, but that's okay, because not everyone can be those characters and its dumb to claim only characters who are that big can get in. Not everyone knew who Bayonetta, Joker, or Banjo were when they got added. However, trying to artificially inflate these characters' chances is just going to build to false expectations and a toxic blowup when it does or does not come true.

Also, extremely minor nitpick, but was Nier really the game that put Platinum on the map? Between Bayonetta and Metal Gear Rising, most people in the West knew who Platinum were by early 2017. Hell, they already had a character in Smash by that point.

 

[Dinoman96]

Not a great example, but folks did pay that to play Lucas and Roy back in 4 so anything can happen. Hell, people last month payed that to play another marth :v

Yeah but those were veteran characters that already had their foot in the door, so the standards are different. Especially since the DLC for Ultimate is an entirely different beast from that of Smash 4.

Besides, what makes you think they will give another AC character a semi-clone moveset? Anything could happen

I'll just post this again

I mean Nook is cool and all but I think it'd be honestly pretty ****ed up if he and Villager both got unique movesets while Isabelle, who is essentially the most beloved and iconic AC character and its mascot, just got left overs from Villager for her moveset.

 

[Faso115]

Yeah but those were veteran characters that already had their foot in the door, so the standards are different. Especially since the DLC for Ultimate is an entirely different beast from that of Smash 4.



I'll just post this again

Plenty of character have been shafted moveset wise. From Ganondorf to Little Mac, it's honestly dumb to think someone can't happen just because another character was made a semi-clone

 

[Cutie Gwen]

While I do agree it can be kind of annoying to see the position "I have never heard of this character until now, so there's no way they can get in Smash no matter what", I do think these experiences can be valuable if used properly.

Namely, if a character is being toted as a modern day icon that can be impossible to miss and someone saying they personally have never heard of/can't recognize them, maybe that's indicative of a larger pattern that's largely going unnoticed? Obviously, there's a chance that person's experience is just an anomaly, but I don't see the harm of hearing someone out provided they're being respectful. Who knows, maybe they're just being honest and they just need a formal introduction to a character they'll come to love.

Where I think the issue comes in is this whole "we need to find an explanation for this" attitude towards those who are unfamiliar with 2B. In particular, there seems to be this almost knee-jerk reaction of "It must be they're a Nintendo fan who's unwilling to look outside that sphere", despite the fact there's numerous other ways someone might not have heard of 2B. Assuming literally every copy of Nier: Automata was sold on PS4, that's only an attachment rate of just under 5%, so clearly not everyone who hasn't heard of 2B is a Nintendo die-hard. Perhaps there are people that keep up with gaming as a whole, but don't enjoy ARPGs, so they never bothered to really look into Nier. Alternatively, they keep up with gaming as a whole, but really only buy a few games a year for financial reasons and thusly stick to massive franchises they know personally. Maybe they have heard of Nier: Automata in the past but never bothered to pick it up, never getting acquainted with the characters and world.

2B has a good amount going for her. Sakurai being a fan of her franchise, being the star of the game that put her series on the map, and having said game be a massive critical and financial success can do nothing but help her chances. Having a ton of moveset potential will also help with that. Where discussions about 2B go off the rails and the bubble around her begins is when her "icon status" comes up. 2B isn't a Sonic, 2B isn't a Mega Man, and 2B isn't a Snake. There's going to be a significant amount of people who don't know her, but that's okay, because not everyone can be those characters and its dumb to claim only characters who are that big can get in. Not everyone knew who Bayonetta, Joker, or Banjo were when they got added. However, trying to artificially inflate these characters' chances is just going to build to false expectations and a toxic blowup when it does or does not come true.

Also, extremely minor nitpick, but was Nier really the game that put Platinum on the map? Between Bayonetta and Metal Gear Rising, most people in the West knew who Platinum were by early 2017. Hell, they already had a character in Smash by that point.

The reason 2B is an icon is that if you've been paying attention to the mainstream at all for the past 3 years, you've seen 2B and NieR Automata pop up. There's also word of mouth, out of a group of irl friends, only one of actually has her game but we can all recognize 2B from a distance.


I suppose the reason for that is because Platinum's never really broken into the mainstream and though I can't find exact figures for MGR, it did sell at least 1 million judging by 2018 Steam Spy and launch sales, but NieR Automata is the most succesful thing Platinum's ever worked on if MGR doesn't beat it, though MGR has the Metal Gear brand which is very wellknown unlike NieR

 

[ArkSPiTFirE]

Yeah I think we're good on AC fighters and another one just as a New Horizon shoe in would be really lame. Imagine Sakurai expecting to do a couple more bonus fighters that fans have been after, only to bump it up to six and all for...K.K. Slider - Wants to Play!

(Actually that'd be pretty funny)

 

[Deleted member]

The reason 2B is an icon is that if you've been paying attention to the mainstream at all for the past 3 years, you've seen 2B and NieR Automata pop up. There's also word of mouth, out of a group of irl friends, only one of actually has her game but we can all recognize 2B from a distance.


I suppose the reason for that is because Platinum's never really broken into the mainstream and though I can't find exact figures for MGR, it did sell at least 1 million judging by 2018 Steam Spy and launch sales, but NieR Automata is the most succesful thing Platinum's ever worked on if MGR doesn't beat it, though MGR has the Metal Gear brand which is very wellknown unlike NieR

Don't forget the amount of 2B cosplay there is out there. She's certainly a very popular character to cosplay as ever since Nier Automata released.

 

[King Sonnn DeDeDoo]

Personally I’d love Tom Nook, even though I’d prefer having a new series. He’s honestly my most wanted 1st party, I just love Animals Crossing.

 

[PeridotGX]

I wouldn't mind that, but I don't know if they'd actually go that far to promote it.

Tom Nook is the only character who I could see, and it would take a lot of creativity to make him happen. I don't think they can rely on any of Villager or Isabelle's moves because this is a paid DLC character, and people expect something completely orginal.



I don't think semi-clones like Isabelle exist because Sakurai couldn't come up with a more unique moveset. They likely saved a lot of time resuing Villager's moves, and since the moveset was already really unique and underutilized, they probably didn't see the harm in doing it.

Like I said, Tom Nook can be a fully unique character. It'll just require a lot more creativity than other options.

K.K Slider's also an option, he's one of the most popular Animal Crossing characters and would bring the first music-based moveset.

 

[PSIGuy]

Animal Crossing is out next month so any tie-in would be Fighter Pack 6 - and opening the second Fighter's Pass with another first party shill character would be revenue poison.

Would give me a pretty good reason to never buy the entire Pass, though.

 

[7NATOR]

Not to Interrupt the Animal crossing talk

But remeber that Whole Debacle of V from Devil May Cry 5's Voice actor saying stuff about Dante being in Smash. He also said he was gonna be in Marvel vs Capcom and well

https://twitter.com/brihanford/status/1228820366614622208

This could be evidence of him accidentally slipping that Dante will be in Smash

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Not to Interrupt the Animal crossing talk

But remeber that Whole Debacle of V from Devil May Cry 5's Voice actor saying stuff about Dante being in Smash. He also said he was gonna be in Marvel vs Capcom and well

https://twitter.com/brihanford/status/1228820366614622208

This could be evidence of him accidentally slipping that Dante will be in Smash

how is this showing that dante would be in smash? Im down for it but how?

 

[7NATOR]

how is this showing that dante would be in smash? Im down for it but how?

In the Video, He mentions his life goal is to be in MVC and Smash, but says that's where Dante is gonna be. The MVC part of it seems to be coming true due to this tweet, so perhaps this whole thing was an actual Slip, and if that's true...

 

[Deleted member]

Not to Interrupt the Animal crossing talk

But remeber that Whole Debacle of V from Devil May Cry 5's Voice actor saying stuff about Dante being in Smash. He also said he was gonna be in Marvel vs Capcom and well

https://twitter.com/brihanford/status/1228820366614622208

This could be evidence of him accidentally slipping that Dante will be in Smash

Ah hell yeah I've always wanted a sequel to Tatsunoko vs Capcom!



But for real, this isn't evidence pointing towards Dante being in Smash thoe. It's just a vague tweet about a VS game we don't know about.

 

[perfectchaos83]

Not to Interrupt the Animal crossing talk

But remeber that Whole Debacle of V from Devil May Cry 5's Voice actor saying stuff about Dante being in Smash. He also said he was gonna be in Marvel vs Capcom and well

https://twitter.com/brihanford/status/1228820366614622208

This could be evidence of him accidentally slipping that Dante will be in Smash

No

 

[MooMew64]

K.K. Slider would be hype and would make me buy that new Fighters Pass immediately.

 

[nessdeltarune00]

No

“I’m not in the DMC lore enough to ever be considered for Super Smash, and that would be the Ultimate life goal. To be part of Marvel VS Capcom, Smash, or both, which is what Dante is going to be.”

Idk how this can be perceived as a prediction/want. And now we know that the first part may actually happen.

Not saying that Dante is in, but this is certainly more of substance than the “hints” that Shantal ever had for her, lol.

 

[shinhed-echi]

Not to Interrupt the Animal crossing talk

But remeber that Whole Debacle of V from Devil May Cry 5's Voice actor saying stuff about Dante being in Smash. He also said he was gonna be in Marvel vs Capcom and well

https://twitter.com/brihanford/status/1228820366614622208

This could be evidence of him accidentally slipping that Dante will be in Smash

Come on, SEGA vs Capcom!
Bring those two universes together!

 

[Cap'n Jack]

Phew it has been a minute since I posted my last prediction, so I suppose it is time to write up my third prediction, and for that, let’s look to the third pick of the fighter’s pass, Banjo.

Where as the first two predictions looked at Sakurai and Japan respectively, the third looks towards the west and fan demand from that region. However it is important to note that it does not ignore Sakurai and Japan as factors. After all, Banjo was directly mentioned by Sakurai as being seriously considered for Melee, and m, despite what many have said, is popular in Japan, albeit less so than in the west. Same for other western fan picks like King K Rool, Ridley, Simon, and Little Mac.

So who is the next big western fan pick?

Let’s start off by saying that if a character likes Doom Guy were to get into Smash, it would not be a real western fan pick as much as he’d be selected for his retro status and Bethesda’s budding ties with Nintendo. Although that character is hard to predict after a certain interview shed some light onto the character’s chances.

Of course there are plenty of other western fan picks from, but Geno seems like obvious pick, but will being a spirit limit his chances? Everyone up Lucas and Mewtwo as trophies prior to the DLC selection, but that was Smash 4 and those were returning characters. They were playable prior to being Smash 4 trophies. That is a notable difference. So does being a spirit deconfirm a character, until proven otherwise, I have to say yes.

Still, I have this weird feeling about Geno. Sakurai did mention him before, and while he does not chart as high as Banjo did in the Japan fan polls as far as I have seen, he is a Japanese character and that does bode well for him over other western fan picks like Crash. But the biggest clue is the surprising lack of a Geno Mii Costume. Yet this could just to a deluxe Mii Costume coming later, which honestly would work great for the character.

So who else is there?

Well?

Crash

Unlike Spyro and Doom Guy, and Master Chief, Crash is a popular Western character in Japan like Banjo. Crash is also a big deal character. Bigger than Banjo in fact, at least to the world of video games as a whole. Banjo’s really only relevant as a N64 icon. Crash represents PS1 and the rivalry between that system and the N64. With Sonic opening the door to crossover rivalries being played out on the Smash battlefield, Master Chief and Crash seem like the last two characters to fill that void.

Still, there are no real clues pointing towards Crash outside of the Crash games coming to the Switch, but as simple as that is, perhaps that is all the clues we need coupled with his iconic status. After all SNK games sneaking into the Switch’s library did seem to point to Terry in hindsight. Perhaps that too is all Crash needs as a sign.

Still my gut points me to Geno, so Crash is a character I don’t feel that strongly with, but with Geno being a spirit I give Crash the slight, if unsure edge.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

“I’m not in the DMC lore enough to ever be considered for Super Smash, and that would be the Ultimate life goal. To be part of Marvel VS Capcom, Smash, or both, which is what Dante is going to be.”

Idk how this can be perceived as a prediction/want. And now we know that the first part may actually happen.

Not saying that Dante is in, but this is certainly more of substance than “hints” that Shantal ever had for her, lol.

you must be really fun at parties

 

[Faso115]

Brian Hanford sure loves teasing the internet.

I'm more hyped for Mahvel potentially getting a new entry than Dante being in smash. Fight me/bite me

 

[perfectchaos83]

“I’m not in the DMC lore enough to ever be considered for Super Smash, and that would be the Ultimate life goal. To be part of Marvel VS Capcom, Smash, or both, which is what Dante is going to be.”

Idk how this can be perceived as a prediction/want. And now we know that the first part may actually happen.

Not saying that Dante is in, but this is certainly more of substance than the “hints” that Shantal ever had for her, lol.

It doesn't matter. It means **** all for smash, especially because he wouldn't know and if he did that means Dante's VA broke NDA. It's stupid to think this means anything for Smash.

 

[Schnee117]

Here we go again...

V's VA isn't going to know **** about Dante in Smash.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I'd say Dante has a pretty solid chance of being one of the 6 remaining picks with or without that bit with V's voice actor. I don't think there's a ton of reason to look into it for now.

 

[nessdeltarune00]

It doesn't matter. It means **** all for smash, especially because he wouldn't know and if he did that means Dante's VA broke NDA. It's stupid to think this means anything for Smash.

To be fair, DMC voice actors have a history of breaking NDAs

https://youtu.be/PBRFIdw_oX8

Again, what he said may mean nothing, but at least we aren’t grasping at a window placement that Wayforward intentionally put in to stir up discussion, lol.

 

[perfectchaos83]

To be fair, DMC voice actors have a history of breaking NDAs

https://youtu.be/PBRFIdw_oX8

Again, what he said may mean nothing, but at least we aren’t grasping at a window placement that Wayforward intentionally put in to stir up discussion, lol.

I remember when Matt Walker said he did work for Smash bros back in Wii U. VAs are capable of being absolutely stupid. It's possible V's VA fell for the internet hype and that's why he said "Dante's totally going to be in Smash".

Also, stop with the stirring the pot. Shantae/Wayforward had absolutely no reason to be brought into the conversation and you're only bringing it up to **** on others.

 

[TheCJBrine]

what’s a Shantal?

I only know of Shantae.

 

[Captain Shwampy]

Come on, SEGA vs Capcom!
Bring those two universes together!

Imagine the trailer ends with BD Joe driving Dante to a Pizza Parlor only to get T-boned by Bayo driving the Super Hang On bike

 

[perfectchaos83]

what’s a Shantal?

I only know of Shantae.

It's a forced meme on GFAQs and ness thinks it's cute to be derogatory towards Shantae fans.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Why the **** are people pretending V's actor would know literally anything about Smash again

 

[MooMew64]

Gonna just go ahead and say this means literally nothing IMO.

Also, can we please not start a habit of dumping on character fanbases and being needlessly antagonistic?

 

[TheCJBrine]

It's a forced meme on GFAQs and ness thinks it's cute to be derogatory towards Shantae fans.

I thought I remembered it being a weird insult or something from GameFaqs, I think I saw it brought up in the Shantae thread once or so a long while back.

It confuses me why it’s a thing, did someone genuinely spell her name wrong and then trolls found it funny for some reason? I don’t condone anyone being rude to others, over videogames nonetheless, but it’s one of the dumbest things I’ve seen trolls use and I find it strange they decided on that.

 

[PeridotGX]

what’s a Shantal?

I only know of Shantae.

Over on Gamefaqs there's a really annoying user named Frothingsloth, and one of his signature characteristics is calling Shantae "Shantal".

 

[MooMew64]

If yesterday and today are any indication, this place is gonna get real special if FP6 isn't until E3, huh.