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Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

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Verde Coeden Scalesworth

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They're very old discussions that people stopped talking about. A lot already moved on from it, if not everyone by that point.

Not a hard rule or anything, but it's better to leave it be. Basically, it's more courteous to only reply to newer stuff.
 

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I have to say I have a gut feeling the character is from SEGA.

Idk who it would be honestly I just think it’s someone from the company, feel it in my gut.
 

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you know that sega is still doing great games post dreamcast right?

Still, a sega pass withouth Kiryu is.... questionable at best.
Is that from Yakuza?
TBH when I think of SEGA I hardly think of anything post Saturn.

Forgot to include a character from HOTD too, or Virtua fighter. Guess I just named The ones that came naturally of the top of my head.

But Vectorman, Joe, and a SoR character are definitely my top 3.
 

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Kazuma Kiryu is at least one of Sega's most beloved characters these days, him being absent from a Sega theme pass would be so strange.
Kiryu and Joker are practically Sega's mascots at this point since they seem to be focusing more on them than Sonic nowadays.

Kinda the reason I half expect Kiryu to pop up in smash at some point.
 

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Kiryu and Joker are practically Sega's mascots at this point since they seem to be focusing more on them than Sonic nowadays.

Kinda the reason I half expect Kiryu to pop up in smash at some point.
It does help that Yakuza is pretty much Sega's most critically acclaim franchise bar Atlus rpg's at this point. Since Sonic is still a mismanage mess, and with Valkyrie Chronicles while good isn't as beloved as Yakuza.
 

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Kiryu would be dope because despite how Yakuza's stories are serious with Kiryu being an amazing character in a realistic setting, he fits perfectly in Smash considering how bat **** insane the items make the battle system.


Also it lets me live out my revenge fantasies of beating the **** out of Karens in a grocery store. If you yell that your kid will starve because we don't have raisins in stock one more time I'm gonna ****ing impale you with this swordfish Karen
 

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Speaking of Yakuza, this is one of my favorite fake leaks because of how random it is



Just the idea of biggest screw up in the entire Yakuza series, is the one character from the series to get into Smash.
 

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Im shocked they havent’t added shadow as a clone or echo by now
It's just weird that Sonic doesn't have an echo at all, considering a bunch of characters in his games do share the same moves as him in a lot of games, Knuckles, Tails, Mighty, Ray, Shadow and Blaze could all work.

It does help that Yakuza is pretty much Sega's most critically acclaim franchise bar Atlus rpg's at this point. Since Sonic is still a mismanage mess, and with Valkyrie Chronicles while good isn't as beloved as Yakuza.
Alicia or Welkin would be pretty dope in smash. Alicia would make a bit more sense since you see her fighting more and she has an attack that works perfectly as a final smash but welkins the protagonist so he would probably get in.
 

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If we get a sega pass i honestly would only put one slot into sega nostalgia franchises, IMO sega history is still very rich post dreamcast.

I personally would do:

-Sega Nostalgia Franchise
-Yakuza's Kiryu
-either Alicia Melchiott or Selvaria from Valkiria's Chronicles
-Another Atlus rep (Is your time to shine shin megami tensei?)
-Arle Nadja

And i would go even beyond to include somewhere Jet Set Radio Music.
 

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people seriously still think geno is some popular character and not a footnote (if that). third party inclusions in smash are giants. at least so far all have been.
Bayonetta wasn't, and I say that as someone who wanted to see Bayonetta win the Smash Ballot. (or at least voted for her in the hopes that she'd appear in Smash at some point)

Besides, popularity can trump relevancy, as we saw with K. Rool (hadn't appeared in a video game in over a decade, let alone in a major role) or Banjo-Kazooie (who hadn't had a game since Nuts & Bolts, and were generally being ignored by the company that owns them).
 

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Alright, one last game before the reveal tomorrow...

Let's say that, after this current Fighters Pass, we get an announcement that the next DLC character will be a :ultpiranha:-style "bonus" character that comes completely by itself and isn't connected to any Passes. This character also has to follow the following two rules/guidelines...
  1. The character has to have some reusable assets from Ultimate or the previous Smash games. Assist Trophies, Mii Fighter costumes, regular trophies, in-game model cameos... basically anything that can be used to help the development process go faster than just starting from scratch.
  2. The character will not come with a stage, music, or spirits in order to lessen the workload, so it will likely be a character from a series that already has plenty of those in Smash already.
With those in mind, who would you pick for a hypothetical "bonus" character?
I would pick Darkrai for that one.
 

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Kiryu would be dope because despite how Yakuza's stories are serious with Kiryu being an amazing character in a realistic setting, he fits perfectly in Smash considering how bat **** insane the items make the battle system.


Also it lets me live out my revenge fantasies of beating the **** out of Karens in a grocery store. If you yell that your kid will starve because we don't have raisins in stock one more time I'm gonna ****ing impale you with this swordfish Karen
Kiryu is cool but is he cooler than a certain madman.

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I'm checking this at work, just hoping to see someone go, "LOOK AT WHAT JUST GOT LEAKED"
I'm hoping that nobody does that. We're less than twelve hours away, and it's nice going into this having no idea who it could possibly be, considering that Hero was effectively leaked months in advance, Banjo was leaked the day before (even if I was unsure whether or not to believe the leaks), and Terry was leaked by Nintendo itself.

Joker, fittingly enough, was the only Fighters Pass character where we never saw it coming.
 
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Announcement imminent:
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I'll say right now because the next time I'll probably post is post-reveal. The three characters on my wishlist are:

1. Doom Slayer (Doom)
2. Dante (Devil May Cry)
3. Hornet (Hollow Knight)

Final answer locking in.
 

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Bayonetta wasn't, and I say that as someone who wanted to see Bayonetta win the Smash Ballot. (or at least voted for her in the hopes that she'd appear in Smash at some point)

Besides, popularity can trump relevancy, as we saw with K. Rool (hadn't appeared in a video game in over a decade, let alone in a major role) or Banjo-Kazooie (who hadn't had a game since Nuts & Bolts, and were generally being ignored by the company that owns them).
...Generally being ignored? Like, no new games, sure, but being one of the core advertisements of Rare Replay as well as getting merchandise(though the latter is probably cause of being chosen for Smash. But it may not correlate either). Honestly, B-K were kept quite well in the spotlight for years now.

That said, agreed with K. Rool and Bayonetta bits. Popularity still plays a role in Smash, and you don't need to have new games(B-K), relevant(K. Rool), or even be hyper popular(quite a few surprise picks like Piranha Plant) to get in.

It's just weird that Sonic doesn't have an echo at all, considering a bunch of characters in his games do share the same moves as him in a lot of games, Knuckles, Tails, Mighty, Ray, Shadow and Blaze could all work.
Every single one of those characters have a different bodyshape from Sonic. They can't work as Echoes outside of Shadow. They'd work easily at clones, though, cause of what you said. Don't forget Metal Sonic and Silver, who also were given similar moves in various games. A lot of them can be made interchangeable in multiplayer, though few share the same bodyshape. Amy and Silver also have a similar bodyshape, but the hedgehogs were kept like that intentionally anyway(makes sense. Slightly edit a design, and you get a lot done faster. No different from how some clones in Smash are created, and not just Echoes. Albeit, there's obvious differences in the case of the Hedgehogs, but I just mean the physical design was easier to make).
 

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I'm hoping that nobody does that. We're less than twelve hours away, and it's nice going into this having no idea who it could possibly be, considering that Hero was effectively leaked months in advance, Banjo was leaked the day before (even if I was unsure whether or not to believe the leaks), and Terry was leaked by Nintendo itself.

Joker, fittingly enough, was the only Fighters Pass character where we never saw it coming.
What I meant was people going crazy over fake leaks because we are this close. I want it to be a surprise as well, don't get me wrong.

side note im surprised how well smashboards works on mobile good job you guys!
 
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I'm hoping for Dante or Doomguy (Geno's the other character in my top three most wanted, though I figure he's much more likely to be post-Pass), but I think I'll be fine with anyone.

After every veteran returning, Ridley and K. Rool being added in the base game, and Banjo and Kazooie being added as DLC, I'm completely satisfied with the roster. (heck, I would have been satisfied with Everyone Is Here, Inkling, and Ridley) Anyone else is an added bonus at this point, and if I'm not familiar with them, it gives me an excuse to play their game(s).
 

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I'm hoping for Dante or Doomguy (Geno's the other character in my top three most wanted, though I figure he's much more likely to be post-Pass), but I think I'll be fine with anyone.

After every veteran returning, Ridley and K. Rool being added in the base game, and Banjo and Kazooie being added as DLC, I'm completely satisfied with the roster. (heck, I would have been satisfied with Everyone Is Here, Inkling, and Ridley) Anyone else is an added bonus at this point, and if I'm not familiar with them, it gives me an excuse to play their game(s).
That's what I did with Persona 5, and boy am I glad I did! I saw why Joker was a great pick.
 

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My prediction is that we won't get news on post-pass DLC but as a bonus to everyone that bought the pass, Kasumi from Persona 5 Royal (Echo of Joker) joins the roster, sold separately to those who didn't buy it before the presentation, maybe even have her be revealed in the same trailer as FP5 just like Ken and Incineroar.
 

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My prediction is that we won't get news on post-pass DLC but as a bonus to everyone that bought the pass, Kasumi from Persona 5 Royal (Echo of Joker) joins the roster, sold separately to those who didn't buy it before the presentation, maybe even have her be revealed in the same trailer as FP5 just like Ken and Incineroar.
Just imagine the initial rage in chat if Kasumi gets revealed first!

It'll be Hero all over again.

Which I hope is avoided.
 
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That's what I did with Persona 5, and boy am I glad I did! I saw why Joker was a great pick.
I wish that more people would do that, to be honest. I find that people can be too close-minded some times, like how Terry was dismissed as Hat Ken, or how some people tried to claim that Joker's an anime swordsman because he uses a knife.
 

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Just a heads up (and a reminder to the thread as a whole) that if you're posting a video, image, or Tweet, be sure to include some text as well; media-only posts are considered spam.
 

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My prediction is that we won't get news on post-pass DLC but as a bonus to everyone that bought the pass, Kasumi from Persona 5 Royal (Echo of Joker) joins the roster, sold separately to those who didn't buy it before the presentation, maybe even have her be revealed in the same trailer as FP5 just like Ken and Incineroar.
jane hairbones is revived after over a year in a coma (colorized, 2020)
 

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OK, Let's play a new game,

post 4 songs you really want to get into smash via a newcomer from franchises not already in smash! (only exception, Final Fantasy because 2 songs :c)
Doesn't necesarily means that you really want that particular character, but the song or OST making into smash will still be BLISS.

I will start :)

Yakuza 4 Recieve and Bite You
FFV Clash at the big Bridge
Silent Hill SM When you are gone.
GG Xrd Diva of Despair

A quick reminder to keep mobile users in mind, and post links in some cases instead of posting a ton of videos. Including a lot of embedded videos in your posts makes it so the page takes a really long time to load. Quoting videos makes the problem worse, and putting them in spoiler tags does nothing to prevent it.
big fan of embedding since it gives the list of song a way better presentation and lets easily hear snippets to whoever is passing by that may not know the songs beforehand, but i will comply :c
 
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