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Full on models that have their own move set and AI no less. There’s also Final Smash/stage cameos but they’re more like cinematics, they do the same thing every time. ATs don’t.
At least Geno comes from a Nintendo published game that sold over 2 million back in the day. I don't think any Shantae game has cracked 1 million.
Ehhhh, at the same time Shantae is very much alive and well, Geno's got one game as a side character whereas Shantae's a full on series
Aye. I dig the games personally and remember her from the first game's promos in Nintendo Power back in '02 but it wasn't until her Kickstarter and the release of her 3rd game over a decade later that she got significant public attention. Before that she mostly had a cult following due to being Wayforward's mascot and in the rarest Gameboy Color game ever made.
Her series is still active and regularly gets new games.
Sounds like Banjo.
What's that supposed to mean?
Banjo also comes from games that were originally published by Nintendo and sold like 30x any Shantae game has.
Idk, Shantae's fans are able to get new games, Banjo fans can't even remember half of the games he's from
It's 100% this, and has been since the Smash 4 ballot. It seems hilariously one-sided though.
That's not relevant to why I mentioned Banjo but okay.
I don't think Shantae is likely but sales numbers was a point against Banjo because his games sold like 30x worse than Halo or Minecraft. Nintendo connection also doesn't mean that much when he's still very much a third party and Cloud/Joker is a thing anyway.
Because Microsoft is known for using and taking advantage of all the intellectual properties they've gotten from acquiring rare.
I'm not so sure the Nintendo connection meant nothing considering he was a major Nintendo IP for the N64 era and they clearly play that up in his reveal trailer to some extent when they position him right next to the Rare icons of that era. He's easily in the most unique place of any third party since he was a first party that got lost in trade for bad DK characters, so while I see your point, I also wouldn't be so quick to dismiss his connection to Nintendo as I'd say it helped him a little bit more even if it wasn't some essential factor in his inclusion.
This is Grunty's Revenge slander and I will not stand for it!
Cause of load on the programmers’ part. They already coded the AI for NPCs with special behavior, it would be a lot of work to go back and re-code them to be fully playable and make sure everything worked, as well as avoiding potential bugs when their AT self is also out. That’s how I see it at least
Alright, that was a bit of poor wording on my part. I should've clarified that from what I've seen Shantae's popularity is limited to a very specific portion of the Smash and general Nintendo fanbase (I guess you could argue that i see her as a "Smash bubble pick"). Sooo...yeah i admit this isn't very different from the second point about her not appealing to a new demographic or something.
If I had to hazard a guess, maybe the two fan groups see the other character as "indie" competition? While that would explain the criticism thrown against one another, I should note that the guess is unsubstantiated and I could be completely off by this.
TBF, B-K benefited a lot from having Rare as developers. And while Kazooie and Tooie strenghened Rare's image as quality developers a great deal a lot of people at the time bought into B-K because Rare had a very strong recent past and B-K was expected to be a great game. Which it was.
I imagine in the case of a hypothetical fighter that also has an assist trophy, the fighter would be made from the ground up. I don't even think most ATs have much in the way of salvageable assets (they're all very basic models that don't have the level of detail or points of articulation a fighter might have). The ATs also probably wouldn't appear in matches with the fighter, just as certain trophies can't spawn on certain stages.
In terms of programming, they probably wouldn’t reuse the AT coding at all for the playable version and would instead use other playable characters with a base, since only the model and animations could really be reused (but they likely wouldn’t be reused, since some ATs’ models and animations aren’t up to par for a playable character.) Thus, the workload would be about the same as for any other unique character, so someone can‘t really make much of a point that they would save huge amounts of work by promoting AT’s.
No offense to Shantae fans, but anyone who says this doesn't pay attention to the indie gaming scene outside of whatever ends up on Nintendo. That title is honestly more fitting for someone like Reimu or Madotsuki from Yume Nikki for the influence their games had on the indie scene. If I had a dollar for every time someone called Undertale a cringe ass meme game while overhyping Shantae's importance to the indie scene in the same breath, I... could probably rent out an apartment or something, I dunno
That's not how anything works. You don't have to "re-code" an AT to be playable, fighters are made from scratch (at most, using the model as a base). And there are no bugs that would happen just because a fighter and an AT are out at the same time, the game isn't an AI that collapses at seeing two versions of the same character.
Sales don’t mean anything
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Lmao this is hilarious considering how heavily Reimu was discussed for a while here
I mean, the original Banjo-Kazooie has sold more than any Persona, Castlevania, SNK, or Mega Man game, if you want to play that card.Sales don’t mean anything
we could have gotten Steve instead of a duo with no future if sales mattered. so sad
Well no, Geno and Banjo are alike in that they have some historic ties to Nintendo despite being owned by other companies. Like I just said, people wanted Banjo in mainly because he was a major Nintendo character during the N64 era and was evocative of the time Rare and Nintendo were partners. People want Geno in because to them, he's evocative of a Nintendo/Square game they have fond memories of.Sales don’t mean anything
we could have gotten Steve instead of a duo with no future if sales mattered. so sad
But Samus and Ritcher are still hotter than her
Especially considering that some ATs already do not spawn on some stages, such as Knuckles not spawning on Green Hill Zone and the Moon not spawning on Great Bay.
Yeah but Shantae panders to THOSE kind of nerds, Metroid and CastleVania are significantly less lewd
How dare you discredit the sheer amount of gothic horniness the Castlevania series has like this. The entire sequence before the final boss in Aria of Sorrow is the stuff R-18 doujins are made out of.
CV's more tasteful though. Might be my goth bias speaking though
I don't think many people would say that the fanservice in Shantae is tasteful.
I've heard of ridge racer butQueen was mentioned a couple of times so Gale must remind everyone that Reiko Nagase is Bandai Namco's undisputed #1 race queen mascot. No hyperbole. It is simply a fact.
Excluding Ridge Racer, Bandai Namco has published and or developed over TWENTY different racing game intellectual properties. We can all thank Pole Position for that s***. Pole Position is often regarded as one of the most influential video games of all time, as well as one of, if not, THE most important racing game ever. Ridge Racer carried the torch in the Silver Age, and created a mascot who is unrivaled in Bandai Namco's racing world.
The more you know.
