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Michael the Spikester

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Well if were waiting until February. I'm taking a break then.

At least I'll have myself occupied with games to play and given I'm gonna be trying to find new hobbies so I can find new things in life to do other then sitting my butt here on the internet almost every day.
 
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When I thought about the idea of zero Smash info at the game wards, I worried about the mental stability of the thread.

now we are nearing January, the idea of not getting any Smash info until February fills me a dread that very few things could.
At least if it's in February, we can expect a shadow drop.
 

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None of those characters would get me to buy Ultimate.
I don't think Nintendo is that concerned with you at this point.

Once is a chance, Twice is a coincidence, Thrice is a pattern.

When it gets to Four times? I don’t even know what its called at that point.

There is a reason why many people believe in “Amiibo Theory” atm.
Yes, but it's one of those things like "color theory" where, even if its right, it doesn't help you predict the next character at all, so who cares?
 
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When I thought about the idea of zero Smash info at the game wards, I worried about the mental stability of the thread.

now we are nearing January, the idea of not getting any Smash info until February fills me a dread that very few things could.
I can stand 2 more months without Smash news, tbqh.

Had a worse time waiting for news on the X-Men DLC for UA3.
Well if were waiting until February. I'm taking a break then.

At least I'll have myself occupied with games to play and given I'm gonna be trying to find new hobbies so I can find new things in life to do other then sitting my butt here on the internet almost every day.

Why is everyone suddenly starting to become pessimistic?


You all know that Amiibo theory still suggests this month for a shadow drop, right?
 

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It is finished! This... wasn't as easy as I'd like, but it's a super fun concept, IMO. Honestly, I put wayyy too much effort into this, especially since I'm on mobile. But I think it'll make at least one person happy, so that's all that matters to me. It was also a neat challenge; I've never played the game or even heard of the character until today. I'd like this to be a reminder to just accept whatever comes our way with an open mind, because it'll fulfill at least one wish. Learning about the character made me interested as well; I had no idea this was the first circus based videogame. I tried my hardest to capture the feel of the acrobatics; I love how momentum-based the game looked.

Anyway, as stated, Charlie would be unrivaled in the air, at the cost of his ground game. To compensate, he has the unique ability to charge aerial attacks. Most of his special moves also make him airborne. Due to the nature of how some of the attacks work, opponents will be forced to carefully watch Charlie perform them before safely approaching. The battle will feel like he's putting on a show, and you are his audience!

Neutral Special: Monkey.



Pressing the button causes Charlie to place a monkey on the ground in front him. Charlie can only use one monkey at a time. It deals no damage, but it acts as a barrier/obstacle. Opponents can attack the monkey; similar to Pacman's hydrant, when opponents cause enough damage to it, it can fly and harm Charlie. Monkeys destroy Charlie's ball; avoiding running over them.

Holding down the button causes the monkey to move and attack instead. The longer the button is held, the farther the monkey will travel. The monkey deals very little damage, but it breaks shields: it is more effective to jump over it!

Side Special: Lion.



Charlie mounts a lion that runs forwards. Press the special button again to jump. Press :GCU: to jump off of the lion. The lion can be used as an additional jump. The lion jumps in an arc like:




Down Special: Trampoline/Trapeze

This up special move has three parts to it. Simply pressing the button once causes Charlie to bounce upwards off of a trampoline.




Pressing it again spawns a trapeze. Charlie will be suspended in midair, first rocking backwards



Then forwards. The first time he moves forwards is an attack, but after that, the move no longer deals damage. Charlie can swing back and forth on the trapeze up to three times before falling off. If he is attacked while swinging, it will result in Charlie being put into freefall. Finally, pressing the button again causes Charlie to jump off of the trapeze. When Charlie lands on the ground, he takes a quick bow. If you listen closely, you can hear quick/quite applause.

Down Special: Ball Walk/Bounce



This move has two versions: 1 for the ground, the other for the air. On the ground, press the button for a ball to spawn underneath Charlie. Charlie can then try to roll over opponents. The ball's movement is slow, but it buries enemies that get hit by it. Press :GCU: to jump off of it. The attack lasts for 15 seconds, or until Charlie jumps off of it. You must wait 15 seconds before using it again. There's a deflated ball meter that gradually pumps up as an indicator for when the attack is ready.

When used in the air, the ball bounces and gradually gains momentum and bounces higher. Each time the ball hits the ground, it deals damage to opponents. On the final bounce, Charlie is thrown high into the air, and the ball bursts. Charlie can cancel the attack at any time by jumping off of it. Here's a visual for reference:



Final Smash: Charlie rides a horse. If it hits you, cue circus performance, that one jingle, and an explosion.

Smash Attack: In the lion gif above, you see Charlie jumping over flaming jar things. He carries one of those and drops it like Villager. Leaves flame residue on the ground that doesn't damage opponents. However, this move can be used in tandem with Charlie's...

Forward Tilt: Charlie tosses a hula hoop ring forward. Does little damage. However, you can toss the hoop into the flames left behind by his smash attack for extra damage.

Up Smash: Fireworks like Villager.

Down Smash: Charlie carries two money bags and slams them on the ground. Has a rare chance of a coin popping out and hitting above him.


Grabs: Charlie's grab is a rope/tether recovery. If you're wondering why he's using as lasso, it's not because he's a rodeo clown. That rope is his tightrope!

He's a clown so I'd imagine the buzzer hand as his back throw, the squirt flower as his forward throw, etc. Cheesy little gags, to flesh out the character and reference the circus. Visuals for reference:



Victory animation:



His taunts are three different balloon animals: an elephant, a lion, and a horse.
It's not Ridge Racer quality, Kat, and I poopyposted f***ing Vin Diesel and people ate that s*** up. :bowsette:

So the current score is 2-0, with Gale in the lead. Though I give you an A for effort.
 
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Why is everyone suddenly starting to become pessimistic?


You all know that Amiibo theory still suggests this month for a shadow drop, right?
Just because its happened all the time doesn't mean there's always a first.

Don't want to disappointment myself. Plus were all probably still sour from this years VGA.
 
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Why is everyone suddenly starting to become pessimistic?


You all know that Amiibo theory still suggests this month for a shadow drop, right?
I’m not being pessimistic.

Just indifferent about when Fighter 5 drops.

Besides... there’s something I’m waiting more for:

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Just because its happened all the time doesn't mean there's always a first.

Don't want to disappointment myself. Plus were all probably still sour from this years VGA.
To be fair, we had no real tangible evidence aside from Jokers reveal that they would do it again.

This time, we actually have evidence that could suggest a Direct in early-mid January.
 
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To be fair, we had no real tangible evidence aside from Jokers reveal that they would do it again.

This time, we actually have evidence that could suggest a Direct in early-mid January.
And I do hope your right. Still keeping expectations low to save myself from disappointment.

Then watch there is an Direct but FP5 isn't shown.
 
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Being sincere, I thought waiting until January/February wouldn't be too bad, but here we are, in a almost identical situation to the December-June gap (never thought I'd ever say that).

Say whatever you want about the angry mobs from earlier this month, but I hope Nintendo takes a lesson or two from that and just showcases the full post-pass roster at the very start.
 

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Being sincere, I thought waiting until January/February wouldn't be too bad, but here we are, in a almost identical situation to the December-June gap (never thought I'd ever say that).

Say whatever you want about the angry mobs from earlier this month, but I hope Nintendo takes a lesson or two from that and just showcases the full post-pass roster at the very start.
I very much doubt a full post pass roster reveal. One from post pass is more likely since they like to keep it a surprise. Plus we don't even know how much they have planned for post pass.
 
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I can stand 2 more months without Smash news, tbqh.

Had a worse time waiting for news on the X-Men DLC for UA3.
Speaking of, would you recommend UA3? I've only very sparingly played the originals and it looks interesting, but also a little dated, so I've always hesitated on it. Though that roster has always seemed second to only Smash in how much good characters they have playable lol.
 

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Why is everyone suddenly starting to become pessimistic?


You all know that Amiibo theory still suggests this month for a shadow drop, right?
I’m personally fine with waiting. I have two little distractions that help occupy that time. I’m referring to the craziness and drama that unfolds due to people being thirsty/hungry/sweaty for news. These past few months haven’t been exactly a walk in the park in making sure this place doesn’t sink to the bottom.
 
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Being sincere, I thought waiting until January/February wouldn't be too bad, but here we are, in a almost identical situation to the December-June gap (never thought I'd ever say that).

Say whatever you want about the angry mobs from earlier this month, but I hope Nintendo takes a lesson or two from that and just showcases the full post-pass roster at the very start.
The wait has been long and the fact they haven't communicated very well during these droughts suck, but I honestly like not knowing all of it in advance. 'Reveal Trailers' kinda lose the hype when you already know whats coming. I mean, when you know 100%; not when you know via leaks. There's a difference lol.
 
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Speaking of, would you recommend UA3? I've only very sparingly played the originals and it looks interesting, but also a little dated, so I've always hesitated on it. Though that roster has always seemed second to only Smash in how much good characters they have playable lol.
I'd say so. I found it better then the second game.

Although its much shorter then the previous two. That's the only drawback.
The wait has been long and the fact they haven't communicated very well during these droughts suck, but I honestly like not knowing all of it in advance.
Plus everyone was left sour after the VGA.
 
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Speaking of, would you recommend UA3? I've only very sparingly played the originals and it looks interesting, but also a little dated, so I've always hesitated on it. Though that roster has always seemed second to only Smash in how much good characters they have playable lol.
I’d say that UA3 is a huge improvement over the last two games in the series gameplay wise.

The best way I could describe it is as a mix of a musou game with some elements from the original titles such as character leveling and team bonuses.

It is quite a challenging game in a good way, and I would suggest it if you like superheroes.
 

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As said given I'm starting to find new things to do I too will have my time occupied.

Notably Luigi's Mansion 3 which I've been playing as of late.
 

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The wait has been long and the fact they haven't communicated very well during these droughts suck, but I honestly like not knowing all of it in advance. 'Reveal Trailers' kinda lose the hype when you already know whats coming. I mean, when you know 100%; not when you know via leaks. There's a difference lol.
Not true. If anything, how Nintendo handled the reveal process for the 1st round of DLC this year just made me and several others aggravated with their lack of communication. And several other companies with current Fighting Games are communicating much better and some are revealing what's in their season pass at first notice instead of just being hush hush instead and it worked out for them.
 

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After stretches during past games, it's strange to think that some feel we're in a drought after getting a character last month.

If Terry released last month, and we get the character revealed next month, that's basically the same duration between Joker and Hero.

From the first announcement to now, Ultimate hasn't had any truly interminable droughts.
 

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Don't give me false hope for the best possible outcome.
I'll do you one better. We get a direct, people watch it live from start to finish, there's still no Smash news but there's a Fast and Furious Switch port as the final announcement, one of the ads mid-video is about anti-vaping, AND they waste air time by showing this.


That is the best possible outcome.
 
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I'll do you one better. We get a direct, people watch it live from start to finish, there's no Smash news but there's a Fast and Furious Switch port as the final announcement, one of the ads mid-video is about anti-vaping, AND they fill up time to show this:


That is the best possible outcome.
Cyberpunk on Switch would be quite cool, ngl.
 

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I'm like 90% certain next reveal will be a double and I'm like... pretty damn confident it'll be in a January Direct...

Still wanting 5 to be Hayabusa, go **** yourselves.

:happysheep:
 

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Correct me if I am wrong, but didn’t Gamexplain “predict” there would be a January Smash Direct, and a general one would be in February?
 

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I’m personally fine with waiting. I have two little distractions that help occupy that time. I’m referring to the craziness and drama that unfolds due to people being thirsty/hungry/sweaty for news. These past few months haven’t been exactly a walk in the park in making sure this place doesn’t sink to the bottom.
Yeah. People are losing their minds. I knew this would happen if we got no news at the VGAs. I think the forum should be closed until we get news
 

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I just thought of a cool gimmick for a Phoenix Wright stage should there be one later. The stage would be the court room, and every so often a notable witness from the series (like Wendy Oldbag) will be called to the stand. When this happens speech bubbles (the witness's testimony) will appear across the stage, saying things like "It was him, Mario!" and "I saw a man in a green tunic". The speech bubbles will be outlined in the color that corresponds to the player's slot (red for P1, grey for CPU, etc.) and that player has to attack them to get rid of them. If a player fails to do this, or attacks the wrong speech bubble, it will release a shock wave that damages and stuns that player. If enough testimonies are canceled out, the witness goes into their breakdown animation, and leaves the stage.

You could also have the prosecutor (which could also be a random notable character from the series) try to stop players from hitting the correct bubble. The different prosecutors could do this in different ways. For example, Miles Edgeworth would place traps near the testimonies that hit players with a powerful "OBJECTION!" if the correct player nears the testimony, while Winston Payne would just throw weak "OBJECTION!"s around the stage.
 

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The thing about Jon is... he absolutely knows a lot of the big names around the industry. So, he obviously knows things. There's things he's guessed that no one could have ever guessed.

Problem is... people have caught on. His very specific predictions, like Kirby: Epic Yarn coming to 3DS being one, has let people know that, well, he knows. But he doesn't want to be a leaker. So he passes them off as predictions. So whether or not a January Smash Direct and a February actual Direct is actually JUST a prediction or something more we won't know. Not until it's revealed.

That said... I think it's a highly likely outcome.
 

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At least we can predict two streamings till February: reveal and presentation for fighter 5. If it comes early this month, both at the same time, in a Direct, a shadow-drop or whatever, who knows. The only thing we know is that the whole pass should be distributed in February. It's normal specting some details soon cause it's almost there.
 

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The thing about Jon is... he absolutely knows a lot of the big names around the industry. So, he obviously knows things. There's things he's guessed that no one could have ever guessed.

Problem is... people have caught on. His very specific predictions, like Kirby: Epic Yarn coming to 3DS being one, has let people know that, well, he knows. But he doesn't want to be a leaker. So he passes them off as predictions. So whether or not a January Smash Direct and a February actual Direct is actually JUST a prediction or something more we won't know. Not until it's revealed.

That said... I think it's a highly likely outcome.
Jon was real quick to snap on to "What about KOS-MOS?!!?!?!?! I see no one talk about her!" knowing damn well she both was and had to immediately go on the defense after people were catching on.

Whether he has info or not, he's real bad at hiding it. :secretkpop:
 

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I gotta say, an adventure game or visual novel character would probably be one of the least interesting additions they could add. Yes, you can turn any character into a fighter... but that doesn’t mean you should. You can’t lawyer people into pulp, and a lawyer doesn’t fight in any particular way. The same is true for most protagonists in story heavy adventure games. You’d have to dig so deep for a moveset that it’d practically just be a collection of “remember this moment?” clips.

It’s probably the one genre I think lacks potential for movesets. You can’t translate the charm of a writing-reliant genre into a Smash moveset, a game whose crossover elements are entirely based around gameplay. Smash barely HAS writing; you never hear a Snake codec or Palutena’s Guidance unless someone goes out of their way and even longer stunts like IF YOU WANTED TO KNOW HOW TO TALK TO A LADY ASK YOUR MUM are out of place with how wordy they are.

It’s like why you’d never see a Tokimeki Memorial character despite being a super influential series that inspired Persona 3-4-5 and Fire Emblem Awakening-Fates-Three Houses’ social elements that made them hits, the original mix of dating sim and traditional games gameplay that was programmed and written by Iga of Symphony of the Night fame. This is me establishing that it’s a legit game worthy of recognition in at least some form. Yes, there’s legacy, there’s popularity but if Sakurai’s comments mean anything (like his comments about Terry or Heihachi) then gameplay potential is key. I don’t think VNs offer gameplay potential to justify a fighter. (Yes, this is acknowledging that even games like Animal Crossing and Duck Hunt can have fighters)
 
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At least we can predict two streamings till February: reveal and presentation for fighter 5. If it comes early this month, both at the same time, in a Direct, a shadow-drop or whatever, who knows. The only thing we know is that the whole pass should be distributed in February. It's normal specting some details soon cause it's almost there.
Then again, at this rate, praying any sort of announcement of legitimate leaks is like praying for snow on a tropical country-it's just that circumstances so far seem quite improbable at this moment.

We might see an announcement within January, but if we don't get any set-ups on that month and do get announcements on February, then this could be a new record for us being starved to the lack of news lately.
 
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