Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Cutie Gwen]

Theoretically you add a character like Master Chief, Lara Croft, Sora, Crash, Geralt, etc, that would DEFINITELY attract more players to Smash.

Going off of Sakurai's DLC track record, he ended Sm4sh with the most requested character on a global scale.



Its a case by case basis. Smash gets an installment every 4-5 years or so. If we're talking COD or Battlefield, i agree with you. BUT, Smash (especially Ult) is not going to waiver in fandom anytime soon.

You're using Smash 4 as an argument but you're completely forgetting a key detail. Smash 4 had no season pass whereas Ultimate does. I understand this might be tricky to read, but having a huge name to kick off a second pass is a common tactic as seen with Joker, being out of left field and a very popular character

 

[LightKnight]

I disagree with this. As someone who works in marketing, I don't see any benefit to ending a subscription service (the pass in this case) with underwhelming content. It'd only piss off your clientele and youd see diminshing returns

Maybe because they'll announce the next DLC character after the first fighters pass which will be a hype addition. I don't find it entirely convincing but definitely a possibility.

how do you Guys think his chances look for post pass dlc?
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I think they’re good with mcc coming to switch

I think his chances are actually pretty good. Nintendo has been close to Microsoft overall, Sakurai has now already worked with Microsoft for Banjo (which I'll remind was a pick by Nintendo just like the rest of the fighters pass), leaks would suggest Halo games will be playable on the Switch in the near future, and near the end of 2020 there will be a new Halo game. It'd make all the sense in the world to further advertise the Halo series and its new game by putting Chief in Smash near that time and I think it lines up with things nicely.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

I could see lyrics like this stopping Black Tar from getting into Super Smash Bros. since it has the opposite theming of the friendly battles the series is supposed to portray. The other songs have no excuse though.

Pretty sure Persona's battle themes have a similar tone.

They're mainline, as far as I'm concerned.

They play like mainline and they connect to mainline for trades so they are mainline.

It kinda gets under my skin when people claim sword and shield and Lets go were the first to do any of that.

 

[Cosmic77]

I’m still leaning towards Cacomallow being real. If it was fake, I think someone would’ve owned up to it now. If it’s fake, then it’s a fantastic mod & you think this person would want to promote their work. That’s what happened with the Rayman leak in Smash 4.

No one ever owned up to the Grinch leak since it seems they did it in a legit marketing office with real Grinch promos. So there could be legal problems if they revealed they did it.

At this point, I doubt the person who made this, if it's fake, is gonna come out and admit anything until we learn the truth ourselves.

If the next character isn't related to either character then that would be a huge hit to its credibility IMO. Sakurai starting work on the first two post-pass characters this early when Fighter #5 still had a few more months of development makes the leak seem a bit less believable.

 

[Schnee117]

Its a case by case basis. Smash gets an installment every 4-5 years or so. If we're talking COD or Battlefield, i agree with you. BUT, Smash (especially Ult) is not going to waiver in fandom anytime soon.

Smash absolutely does die down a bunch.
Smashboards was pretty damn empty in the period between a few months after Bayonetta and Corrin released and Ultimate's reveal. You think it's slow and quiet now, you'll be shocked once DLC has been finished for a while.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Pretty sure Persona's battle themes have a similar tone.

Last Surprise kind of has this issue, but it's a heck of a lot more lighthearted than watching people die and having to kill your friends in the name of your own survival.

 

[nessdeltarune00]

YR: This is the next wave of DLC.


FP5: Makoto Naegi
Post Pass

Ryu Hayabusa
Reimu
Crash Bandicoot
Doom Slayer
Lloyd Irving
Master Chief


How would you all react?

 

[PeridotGX]

YR: This is the next wave of DLC.


FP5: Makoto Naegi
Post Pass

Ryu Hayabusa
Reimu
Crash Bandicoot
Doom Slayer
Lloyd Irving
Master Chief


How would you all react?

I really can't see a Dangropa rep other than Monokuma getting in. The rest of it is OK.

 

[Flyboy]

I've decided we need a playable mech in Smash. Not a summonable/Final Smash like Elma or Sakura, I want to actually play as a super robot. Now, obviously an actual Gundam is tragically out of the picture, but I feel like there's some mileage here. Mech suits are also acceptable. My immediate thoughts are D.Va, Tron Bonne, and a Super Robot Wars Original Generation character. I guess a Cyberbots character has a shot, but that's not very realistic.

Anyway, more mechs in Smash.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Anyway, more mechs in Smash.

Promote Sukapon to playable status. Got it!

 

[nessdeltarune00]

I really can't see a Dangropa rep other than Monokuma getting in. The rest of it is OK.

This is just hypothetically speaking.


And imo, I think it could be possible that Sakurai could choose the protagonist (like Hero over Slime, despite the latter being the more well known character in the series), but that is just me, and it probably is unlikely anyways.

 

[Schnee117]

I've decided we need a playable mech in Smash. Not a summonable/Final Smash like Elma or Sakura, I want to actually play as a super robot. Now, obviously an actual Gundam is tragically out of the picture, but I feel like there's some mileage here. Mech suits are also acceptable. My immediate thoughts are D.Va, Tron Bonne, and a Super Robot Wars Original Generation character. I guess a Cyberbots character has a shot, but that's not very realistic.

Anyway, more mechs in Smash.

Here's how Titanfall can still win

 

[FightingGhost73]

I've decided we need a playable mech in Smash. Not a summonable/Final Smash like Elma or Sakura, I want to actually play as a super robot. Now, obviously an actual Gundam is tragically out of the picture, but I feel like there's some mileage here. Mech suits are also acceptable. My immediate thoughts are D.Va, Tron Bonne, and a Super Robot Wars Original Generation character. I guess a Cyberbots character has a shot, but that's not very realistic.

Anyway, more mechs in Smash.

Anyone remember Custom Robo?

 

[Flyboy]

Neggy is probably the least-interesting Danganronpa protagonist out of the main ~five (though I do still like him a lot). I'd much rather any of the others, or the unifying villain, or the mascot. Even Komaeda as the fan favorite would be overall a more interesting choice.

Promote Sukapon to playable status. Got it!

The Assist trophy upgrade we didn't know we wanted...until now.

Anyone remember Custom Robo?

Oh, great idea! I did in fact forget despite being a big fan of the Mii costume. Whoops.

 

[Calamitas]

YR: This is the next wave of DLC.


FP5: Makoto Naegi
Post Pass

Ryu Hayabusa
Reimu
Crash Bandicoot
Doom Slayer
Lloyd Irving
Master Chief


How would you all react?

I would save a lot of money.

 

[RouffWestie]

YR: This is the next wave of DLC.


FP5: Makoto Naegi
Post Pass

Ryu Hayabusa
Reimu
Crash Bandicoot
Doom Slayer
Lloyd Irving
Master Chief


How would you all react?

Would be unbearable waiting till the very end for anything I'd want, but at least having Lloyd and Master Chief is better than nothing at all.

 

[StormC]

I've decided we need a playable mech in Smash. Not a summonable/Final Smash like Elma or Sakura, I want to actually play as a super robot. Now, obviously an actual Gundam is tragically out of the picture, but I feel like there's some mileage here. Mech suits are also acceptable. My immediate thoughts are D.Va, Tron Bonne, and a Super Robot Wars Original Generation character. I guess a Cyberbots character has a shot, but that's not very realistic.

Anyway, more mechs in Smash.

It's time.

 

[Flyboy]

It's time.

Yes! Robotnik is one of those low-key wants I have where I never think to put him on my "most-wanted list" but I know I'd absolutely flip my **** if he got confirmed.

 

[PeridotGX]

I've decided we need a playable mech in Smash. Not a summonable/Final Smash like Elma or Sakura, I want to actually play as a super robot. Now, obviously an actual Gundam is tragically out of the picture, but I feel like there's some mileage here. Mech suits are also acceptable. My immediate thoughts are D.Va, Tron Bonne, and a Super Robot Wars Original Generation character. I guess a Cyberbots character has a shot, but that's not very realistic.

Anyway, more mechs in Smash.

It's finally time

 

[lordvaati]

As this is page America, I'm throwing my hat in at the idea of Mike Jones being a potential post Pass DLC character to fill the Retro character slot.

 

[Schnee117]

As this is page America, I'm throwing my hat in at the idea of Mike Jones being a potential post Pass DLC character to fill the Retro character slot.

Kempf is the true American rep.

 

[PeridotGX]

wait, this IS America page.

Lincoln is DLC5, Thomas Jefferson is his echo fighter. Terry's spirit board was a subtle hint they were coming, as they ominously stare from the background (as mountains).

 

[SKX31]

Kempf is the true American rep.

Nope. Michael Wilson is the true American rep.

Because he's the President.

Spoiler: Explaining the joke, I know.

(Edit: He seriously gives "Because I'm the President" as the reason he goes into missions against the evil Vice President. That game is a massive cheesefest and I love it because of that.)

 

[BernkastelWitch]

If we get a DR character, it's Monokuma or no one at all. He's the mascot of Danganronpa and has appeared in every game plus all the Monokuma units in Ultra Despair Girls could be used as a basis for his moveset, making him stand out a bit.

It'd be an injustice if any of the protagonists get in. Of course Sakurai would probably pick Makoto/Hajime due to them being protagonists.


It just seems like Monokuma is the only logical choice for a DR character if we get one as DLC.

 

[KatKit]

Alrighty... I'm going to try something fun. I'm going to hype up an interesting character I barely know anything about. If mi hermanita can do this with Vin Diggity Diesel, yo' girl Kat can probably pull this off. That character? Circus Charlie.

Circus Charlie could be a retro rep from a multi-platform game with a Nintendo connection. It's an obscure pick, but he comes from a series that lacks representation in Smash. Charlie is also a clown, and that's an archetype that hasn't been explored. Move over Sweet Tooth, the original Clown Prince is here! Interestingly enough, he's had a couple of manga appearances, and he resurfaced in modern times in a Konami Greatest Hits-esque collection on the Nintendo DS. Now for the most interesting part: the moveset potential. For an older game, there was a lot of different stuff to do in it.

Conceptually, Charlie would be extremely acrobatic: his game consisted of frantically jumping over different obstacles. With this in mind, Charlie should be a reverse Little Mac: he would have a hilariously weak ground game, but he would be unparalleled in the air. Many of his attacks will propel him upwards, and he will have several attacks that function as additional movement options that manuever him in various directions. Charlie will also bring in a new mechanic: chargeable air smash attacks.

I'll post the detailed moveset breakdown momentarily. I just wanted to hype this up first before I did lol.

 

[Flyboy]

Nope. Michael Wilson is the true American rep.
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Because he's the President.

Spoiler: Explaining the joke, I know.

(Edit: He seriously gives "Because I'm the President" as the reason he goes into missions against the evil Vice President. That game is a massive cheesefest and I love it because of that.)

An American fighter, a mech fighter, a FromSoftware rep, a Devolver Digital rep, and a hidden gem all in one?! Now THIS is the fighter Smash Bros. needs!!

 

[Evil Trapezium]

YR: This is the next wave of DLC.


FP5: Makoto Naegi
Post Pass

Ryu Hayabusa
Reimu
Crash Bandicoot
Doom Slayer
Lloyd Irving
Master Chief


How would you all react?

Makoto Maegi: Pretty mediocre final pick for the pass. I have absolutely no idea what he could do. From the looks of him, seems like he'd be a Joker kind of character as in holding a dagger and being a teenager but without the style.

Ryu Hayabusa: Decent character that I could see playing like an NES character like Megaman and Simon.

Reimu: I don't like this character at all. I like to hope she has no chance but if she does appear, I can at least pretend she doesn't exist... Unlike Isabelle.

Crash Bandicoot: A good character that I could imagine using his spin attack for all of his A button attacks while saving the Crash 3 abilities for his specials.

Doom Slayer: Another good character that I could see being more of a rush down character like Captain Falcon. I could see his neutral special being weapon fire/change where you can either press the button to shoot your currently held weapon or hold the button to switch it out for another weapon akin to Monado arts.

Lloyd Irving: No opinion on this character. Just kind of boring to be honest unless he has dual swords.

Master Chief: After getting Doom Slayer, I wouldn't really care all that much for Master Chief.

Overall it's decent with a healthy supply of good characters, some meh and one bad egg. Not the most hype roster but I certainly wouldn't mind if this was the list we got.

 

[Night Gale]

If mi hermanita can do this with Vin Diggity Diesel, yo' girl Kat can probably pull this off.

We should do a thing where we highlight the most bats*** crazy suggestions until one of them sticks.

Chargeable air smash attacks is damn good idea btw.

 

[I.D.]

What would Naegi even do? He's basically just like Phoenix Wright except without the meme potential for a moveset. Shoot metaphorical bullets out of his mouth and telling his opponents not to lose hope thus weakening their will to fight him? I think he also pulled some trick in the DR3 anime with a fire extinguisher? And that's all I can think of honestly. Yeah yeah Sakurai can make a moveset out of anything but come on, that would be really scraping the bottom of the barrel there, he would basically have to make up absolutely everything. In general characters that come from series that are almost exclusively Visual Novels just seem exceedingly hard to implement.

 

[BernkastelWitch]

What would Naegi even do? He's basically just like Phoenix Wright except without the meme potential for a moveset. Shoot metaphorical bullets out of his mouth and telling his opponents not to lose hope thus weakening their will to fight him? I think he also pulled some trick in the DR3 anime with a fire extinguisher? And that's all I can think of honestly. Yeah yeah Sakurai can make a moveset out of anything but come on, that would be really scraping the bottom of the barrel there, he would basically have to make up absolutely everything. In general characters that come from series that are exclusively Visual Novels just seem exceedingly hard to implement.

Kinda why I vouch for Monokuma if we get a Danganronpa character since I can I see the Monokuma units from Ultra Despair Girls be a basis for his moveset.

I can kinda argue it depends on the VN for movesets. Phoenix Wright may be hard to do but I imagine he'd be like his UMVC3 self. And the only other Visual novel character I see who people bring up sometimes, Saber can actually fight and has been in fighting games before.


I do think Visual Novels should get a rep but I imagine there'd be hurdles, even from fans and how to implement them.

 

[nessdeltarune00]

What would Naegi even do? He's basically just like Phoenix Wright except without the meme potential for a moveset. Shoot metaphorical bullets out of his mouth and telling his opponents not to lose hope thus weakening their will to fight him? I think he also pulled some trick in the DR3 anime with a fire extinguisher? And that's all I can think of honestly. Yeah yeah Sakurai can make a moveset out of anything but come on, that would be really scraping the bottom of the barrel there, he would basically have to make up absolutely everything. In general characters that come from series that are almost exclusively Visual Novels just seem exceedingly hard to implement.

There are also weapons from UDG that they can pull from.


I can definitely see that combined with moves from the trial segments.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

I wonder how many people Banjo ticked off. For me, it was like, "oh cool, another third party".

I mean, I was never on the hype train for Banjo so my response was kinda bland. I was more shocked by the fact that they finally included Mii Gunner at the end.

I mean, we have been waiting FOREVER to see Mii Gunner in Smash.

I was ticked off as in I didnt really care about him

 

[I.D.]

There are also weapons from UDG that they can pull from.

At that point might as well replace him with his sister since that would be the character and game you are actually representing, and you would only be including Naegi out of sheer first-protagonist-stubborness.

 

[Lamperouge]

Imagine responding to a joke post seriously after the poster established it was a joke.

I thought I made it fairly clear that it was a joke post when typing it up, too, although I do suppose sarcasm is difficult to decipher through text.

Anywho, I'm fully expecting to see a few more responses taking it seriously pop up from people catching up on the thread.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

I think its for the best of everyone that DR: Another Episode fade away into the shadows forever forgotten

 

[Icedragonadam]

Just to pass the time, LeakyPandy claims that promotional material for the next direct will be finished by January 3rd.

Contact: developer deadline for promotional material for the next Nintendo Direct aledgedly finishes January third. Reaching out now for more information from our regular sources. Should be able to narrow down timing as things start moving.

— LeakyPandy (@LeakyPandy) December 30, 2019

January 8th was always my guess for the next direct with FP5 being shadow dropped later in the same day(mainly because of amiibo theory and a major patch being due soon because of the average length of each patcher interval being around 2 months).

 

[Flyboy]

My thing with Naegi is, why would you even pick him outside of him being "the first one"?

Spoiler: MASSIVE spoilers for every single DR game! Tread carefully.

If we consider the protagonists, Hinata has a sharper personality and actively uses unusual gadgets and props in his game, and he also has his past as Izuru Kamakura to provide more potential, plus his glowing white form from the endgame. There's also Monomi that could be worked into his moveset considering his closeness with Nanami. His game also has more minigames to work with, such as logic dive or the contradiction swordfight.

Komaru is actively from an action game in UDG, and has her megaphone that's used to stun the Monokuma bots, plus Fukawa/Jack could easily be part of her moveset as well, giving us a fan favorite to boot.

Kaede is a pianist which can give her a music-themed aesthetic to help her stand out, and she again has a stronger personality than Naegi with her more sarcastic and easily-worked-up nature. Plus, as much as it breaks my heart, the fact that she's the culprit in chapter one alone gives her even more potential with her improvised Rube Goldberg-esque failed murder machine. Shotputs galore.

Shuichi is a detective, giving him a more methodical style, and again he's unique due to the new minigames, the liar bullets, and his entire endgame that causes him to do what no other character in the series does by actively rejecting the very mechanics that are trapping him in the game. His entire playstyle could be focused around detection and misdirection.

And moving on from the protagonists...

Junko is the big bad of the series. It's to the point that her very existence is parodied by V3 because "it's always Junko". She's absolutely bursting with personality that can change at a drop of a hat, creating an unpredictable character that could use any of the Punishments from the games as mechanics, her cell phone and reality warping powers from the second game, the Warriors of Light from DRAE, or even Tsumugi's cosplays from V3 if they wanted to go with a Snake-esque amalgamation.

Komaeda is one of the most popular fan favorites in the series and his entire gimmick is being the luckiest person in the world that's then followed up by extreme bouts of bad luck. He's a Remnant of Despair who has felled nations so we know that he can survive anything outside of what he himself sets up and a playstyle focused around actively putting yourself at a disadvantage in order to gain massive advantages is just crazy interesting to think about, especially when you start going into famous scenes like Russian Roulette.

And finally, of course...

Monokuma! The mascot and the thing that ties every single game together! Brimming with personality? Check. Weapons, comical buff forms, demented Looney Tunes contraptions? Check. References to the brutal punishments in the games? Check. Recognizable and iconic? Check! Between the Monokuma units, the Monokubs, the various goofy gags and forms he has, and the fact that he isn't a walking spoiler like Junko, you have a pretty compelling case to pick him over any other DR rep.

I like Naegi as a character! I also have misgivings about DR representation at all if just because it's a tiny bit too nightmarish for me to wrap my head around it being in Smash (though I adore the series). But he's really not the best option by any single measure outside of being The First Game's Protagonist.

 

[nessdeltarune00]

At that point might as well replace him with his sister since that would be the character and game you are actually representing, and you would only be including Naegi out of sheer first-protagonist-stubborness.

The main idea that I had for a potential moveset would be to combine the trial segments, truth bullets, ect with the weapons used in UDG.

That could be a pretty interesting moveset imo. But who knows at this point.

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

YR: This is the next wave of DLC.


FP5: Makoto Naegi
Post Pass

Ryu Hayabusa
Reimu
Crash Bandicoot
Doom Slayer
Lloyd Irving
Master Chief


How would you all react?

None of those characters would get me to buy Ultimate.

 

[nessdeltarune00]

My thing with Naegi is, why would you even pick him outside of him being "the first one"?

Spoiler: MASSIVE spoilers for every single DR game! Tread carefully.

If we consider the protagonists, Hinata has a sharper personality and actively uses unusual gadgets and props in his game, and he also has his past as Izuru Kamakura to provide more potential, plus his glowing white form from the endgame. There's also Monomi that could be worked into his moveset considering his closeness with Nanami. His game also has more minigames to work with, such as logic dive or the contradiction swordfight.

Komaru is actively from an action game in UDG, and has her megaphone that's used to stun the Monokuma bots, plus Fukawa/Jack could easily be part of her moveset as well, giving us a fan favorite to boot.

Kaede is a pianist which can give her a music-themed aesthetic to help her stand out, and she again has a stronger personality than Naegi with her more sarcastic and easily-worked-up nature. Plus, as much as it breaks my heart, the fact that she's the culprit in chapter one alone gives her even more potential with her improvised Rube Goldberg-esque failed murder machine. Shotputs galore.

Shuichi is a detective, giving him a more methodical style, and again he's unique due to the new minigames, the liar bullets, and his entire endgame that causes him to do what no other character in the series does by actively rejecting the very mechanics that are trapping him in the game. His entire playstyle could be focused around detection and misdirection.

And moving on from the protagonists...

Junko is the big bad of the series. It's to the point that her very existence is parodied by V3 because "it's always Junko". She's absolutely bursting with personality that can change at a drop of a hat, creating an unpredictable character that could use any of the Punishments from the games as mechanics, her cell phone and reality warping powers from the second game, the Warriors of Light from DRAE, or even Tsumugi's cosplays from V3 if they wanted to go with a Snake-esque amalgamation.

Komaeda is one of the most popular fan favorites in the series and his entire gimmick is being the luckiest person in the world that's then followed up by extreme bouts of bad luck. He's a Remnant of Despair who has felled nations so we know that he can survive anything outside of what he himself sets up and a playstyle focused around actively putting yourself at a disadvantage in order to gain massive advantages is just crazy interesting to think about, especially when you start going into famous scenes like Russian Roulette.

And finally, of course...

Monokuma! The mascot and the thing that ties every single game together! Brimming with personality? Check. Weapons, comical buff forms, demented Looney Tunes contraptions? Check. References to the brutal punishments in the games? Check. Recognizable and iconic? Check! Between the Monokuma units, the Monokubs, the various goofy gags and forms he has, and the fact that he isn't a walking spoiler like Junko, you have a pretty compelling case to pick him over any other DR rep.

I like Naegi as a character! I also have misgivings about DR representation at all if just because it's a tiny bit too nightmarish for me to wrap my head around it being in Smash (though I adore the series). But he's really not the best option by any single measure outside of being The First Game's Protagonist.

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention one key detail.


If Naegi ever got into Smash, I always thought that it could very likely be a Hero situation with Hajime, Kaede, and Shuichi. And it would combine moves from all of the forementioned games (the liar bullets, every single gadget and minigame worked into it, practically almost every pro you have mentioned combined).


How would you feel about that?