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Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

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Droodle

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Guys, I’m so excited to fight Dracula from the famous 1897 novel Dracula, written by Bram Stoker. He was easily my most wanted, so I’m glad Sakurai decided to look outside the last 120 years to include a character that didn’t start as a video game character in some way. As an English teacher, I am Stoked (heh).

I mean, Dracula is just that iconic. Kids dress as him every year, and there have been countless (heh) movies made of the guy. Like, who would look at Dracula and say, “Literally who?” The dude is the king of the night, can be super unique with blood sucking abilities, and can transform into a bat. Kinda like Alucard...

Hey...wait a minute. You mean to tell me that Dracula in Smash isn’t from the 1897 Bran Stoker novel Dracula? It’s... the video game version of him? But wait, I thought non-video game originating characters weren’t allowed into Smash. That made Dracula so special...
1. The character of Dracula in Castlevania, while inspired by the books is not the same as the Dracula from 1897. They are worlds apart; and nothing can change that fact. Arsene also originated from short stories, but don't try to convince me that Joker's Arsene is anywhere close to the Arsene in the stories.
2. Regardless of what the original author says, The Witcher games try to follow the details established by the books very closely (within reason). They aren't inspired by the books, but rather based on the books themselves.
3. Arguing Geralt could be in Smash does open up a ton of flood gates in "who" can be in Smash.

For example (Just some examples):
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Batman could technically make it in because Arkham Asylum Batman is from Video games and not books.
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Might as well consider Epic Mickey too, considering that he's a game character.
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Let's throw in Goku because FighterZ isn't canon to the manga, and is in fact very much it's own video game centric thing. I guess Sakurai can add Goku after all!

So in short, the Dracula argument is irrelevant unless you can somehow give proof that Castlevania Dracula is the very same as the books.
 

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1. The character of Dracula in Castlevania, while inspired by the books is not the same as the Dracula from 1897. They are worlds apart; and nothing can change that fact. Arsene also originated from short stories, but don't try to convince me that Joker's Arsene is anywhere close to the Arsene in the stories.
2. Regardless of what the original author says, The Witcher games try to follow the details established by the books very closely (within reason). They aren't inspired by the books, but rather based on the books themselves.
3. Arguing Geralt could be in Smash does open up a ton of flood gates in "who" can be in Smash.

For example (Just some examples):
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Batman could technically make it in because Arkham Asylum Batman is from Video games and not books.
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Might as well consider Epic Mickey too, considering that he's a game character.
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Let's throw in Goku because FighterZ isn't canon to the manga, and is in fact very much it's own video game centric thing. I guess Sakurai can add Goku after all!

So in short, the Dracula argument is irrelevant unless you can somehow give proof that Castlevania Dracula is the very same as the books.
Isn't the Morris clan canon to the Castlevania games?
 

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People are onto us

We've become so predictable
 

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Alright time to do a quick survey.

Who believes in the deconfirmations made by Sabi and Verge and who believes they're rubbish?
I posted this a bit ago, but this is basically my stance on these deconfirmations:
I do think there is a very, very small possibility that Vergeben could’ve been given false info, and Namco could still very well be Fighter #5.

I remember this comment he made on Reddit regarding Tekken leaks:


This was a year ago, when Harada just headed only Tekken. Since May, he’s been promoted to General Brand Manager of Namco, a role that allows him to oversee pretty much all of Namco’s original IPs. If Namco actually turned out to be Fighter #5, I could see Harada being involved, and it could explain some of this deconfirming ****ery that’s been going on with Sabi’s and Vergeben’s sources lately.

For now though, I’m gonna take Vergeben’s word on there being no Namco for Fighter #5. He’s gotten more right than wrong so far regarding Smash.
Basically, I’m taking Vergeben’s word for now, but I think there’s a small possibility his source could’ve been Harada’d and given false info if Fighter #5 involves a Namco original IP. My bets are on KOS-MOS if this turns out to be the case, since Harada has said in the past that he would get Namco to work on a Xenosaga HD collection if there was enough fan demand for it, and KOS-MOS in Smash could possibly help with that.
 

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So in short, the Dracula argument is irrelevant unless you can somehow give proof that Castlevania Dracula is the very same as the books.
If I remember correctly they somehow managed to fit the original Dracula novel into the Castlevania timeline. How they manage to reconcile the fact that no fundamentalist European guy carrying a whip and throwing crosses and holy water all over the place appears in it is beyond me, but they did it.
 

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I have no idea why the devs don't bother giving her more alternate costumes.
Well... they don't give more alts to her and to about... what, 1/4 of the cast? There's a reason "MOAR LUX SKINS" is a meme in the LoL comunity. I mean, it took like 2 years to give a second alt to Aurelion Sol too. Sadly, having too many characters in your competitive game with skins means only the most popular get attention.

You know one thing your posts reminded me of? The trailers. Damn, aside from Smash, League has some of the best character reveal/gameplay trailers I've ever seen in a video game. One of their latest Champion reveal trailers comes to mind:

 

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Sorry for the sudden off-topic, but I want to share something I found really awesome.

Someone at another thread has done an edit of Hero’s trailer, showing how it could have played if it turned out to be a double reveal alongside Sora:


I wanted to share the post over here because I am honestly impressed with it and wanted to give the person who did it a lot of support by sharing their work.

Gonna tag @Professor Pumpkaboo and Nekoo Nekoo so they see it too.
> Not tagging Resident Sora fan #2

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Looks like its down to the waiting game. The crazy dancing is gonna continue anyways. Would love it if one of them was just direct and say they don't know.
 

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Isn't the Morris clan canon to the Castlevania games?
Yes, they are.

But still there is a huge difference between being "inspired by" and "based on".

Castlevania follows the lore established by Dracula very loosely. The Witcher games follow the lore created by the games extremely heavily; they could be considered a "continuation" of the series even if the author states that the games are non-canon.
 

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Can we all agree that Jotaro Kujo would be the best reveal for fighter #5?
 

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Reminder to everyone that we already have a fighter from a franchise that began as a trilogy of novels, then got an OVA, and then finally was adapted into a videogame.

Imo what matters is that nobody knows.

1. The character of Dracula in Castlevania, while inspired by the books is not the same as the Dracula from 1897. They are worlds apart; and nothing can change that fact. Arsene also originated from short stories, but don't try to convince me that Joker's Arsene is anywhere close to the Arsene in the stories.
2. Regardless of what the original author says, The Witcher games try to follow the details established by the books very closely (within reason). They aren't inspired by the books, but rather based on the books themselves.
3. Arguing Geralt could be in Smash does open up a ton of flood gates in "who" can be in Smash.

For example (Just some examples):
View attachment 250942
Batman could technically make it in because Arkham Asylum Batman is from Video games and not books.
View attachment 250943
Might as well consider Epic Mickey too, considering that he's a game character.
View attachment 250945
Let's throw in Goku because FighterZ isn't canon to the manga, and is in fact very much it's own video game centric thing. I guess Sakurai can add Goku after all!

So in short, the Dracula argument is irrelevant unless you can somehow give proof that Castlevania Dracula is the very same as the books.
Canonically speaking, the Dracula in Castlevania is the one from the books, since the original Bram Stoker novel is canon to the games.
 

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Where's the good old fake leak images we used to see?... Only Cacodemon and Mallow? Fake leakers are getting lazy these days, jeez...
Have you ever thought that maybe the real fake leak was us all along?
 

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Regardless of who FP5 is, I have a strong feeling it's gonna be another character that will be added to 3BitSaurus 3BitSaurus signature.
Indeed!

Leakers are wrong? Is it Doom Slayer? "Too violent". Sora? "Legal issues". Any company double dipping? "No two characters from the same company". And so on...

Leakers are right? Is it Geralt? That's a blow to "no non-VG characters". Sony, Riot or Valve? "No major or minor presence on Nintendo". Saber? "no games with H-scenes".

One more for the collection, regardless. Heck, it might even be another one I'm wrong about like :ultbayonetta:!

I dunno what to expect... and I love that, really, even if my biggest wants are out for now.
 

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Well... they don't give more alts to her and to about... what, 1/4 of the cast? There's a reason "MOAR LUX SKINS" is a meme in the LoL comunity. I mean, it took like 2 years to give a second alt to Aurelion Sol too. Sadly, having too many characters in your competitive game with skins means only the most popular get attention.

You know one thing your posts reminded me of? The trailers. Damn, aside from Smash, League has some of the best character reveal/gameplay trailers I've ever seen in a video game. One of their latest Champion reveal trailers comes to mind:

I know, I know. I'm just saying, a character like Taliyah would've been perfect for a musical group like True Damage. Her voice actress even sings her own theme song. >_<

League reveal trailers are fantastic! So I can imagine a Smash x League trailer being absolutely mind-blowing.
 
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Fighter 5 mistery is getting annoying already. Would be worse if there is no reveal at TGA.

Although somethin interesting that happened lately with the RE spirits and Sakurai comments, I'm getting the feeling the end of Ultimate DLC has been decided already, maybe enough for another pass but Im certain there's an end set already.
 

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Based on the copyright information for the Monster Hunter event it seems like if they would only have to specifically deal with CD Projekt Red if the games were the only things Geralt would be basing his appearance off of in Smash. The original author is still credited in this case but I'm not sure if negotiations with him would be required.
If that's the case then honestly Geralt is only slightly removed from the usual third party character as far as negotiations are concerned, at least if they stick to the game appearance alone.
 

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Reminder to everyone that we already have a fighter from a franchise that began as a trilogy of novels, then got an OVA, and then finally was adapted into a videogame.

Imo what matters is that nobody knows.


Canonically speaking, the Dracula in Castlevania is the one from the books, since the original Bram Stoker novel is canon to the games.
The books are canon to the games, yes; and it is the "same" Dracula as in the books. Except it's completely different in anything but name; different personality, backstory, pretty much everything. The actual character of "Dracula" in the Castlevania games is completely different from the Dracula in the books.

Meanwhile, CDPR tried their best to "adapt" Geralt's character and personality from book format to game format. And not just Geralt, but the entire Witcher world as well.

So in short, the adaptation of Geralt in the games is very "direct and straightforward". His backstory, personality; essentially the entirety of his character is very faithful to the books themselves.

Meanwhile, the adaptation of Dracula is very "loose". Sure it is canonically the "same" Dracula as in the book; but the additions and changes to the Dracula lore make it a "different" character entirely.

So in short Geralt has the same chance to get in as Arkham Asylum Batman. Whether it's likely or not depends on who you ask; but imo Witcher 3 Geralt is clearly a faithful adaptation of the books; Castlevania Dracula while the "same" as the one in the books, is a very "unfaithful" adaptation of it's source material and is a different character entirely.
 

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On Geralt, I feel like there’s a pretty obvious difference between him and Dracula. CV Dracula, for all intents and purposes, is his own character. His first appearance was in the Castlevania series, he was made completely independently of the original character, and, of course, he is ultimately a public domain character. Less an actual defined character and more just an idea now.

Geralt, meanwhile, is literally Geralt from the Witcher novels. He was made with the creator’s approval, tells essentially the same story as the novel version, and is in the end from a straight adaption of the novels, not an original IP.

Not that this distinction even matters though, the ’no non-videogame characters allowed’ statement has always been vague with characters like Geralt who occupy a sort of grey area. It’s impossible to tell what the standards are for someone like him. Sakurai may very well see his significance and iconicity as a videogame character and let him in anyway. I doubt he’s thinking quite as deeply about all this as some people here are.
 
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Eh... I don't think the Dracula/Gerolt comparison works.

Dracula is more akin to adding a character from like... Suikoden or something. Or a historical character like Zhao Yun or one of the many Oda Nobunaga's.
He's so drastically reinvented, it becomes its own thing. Same thing for like... Saber Artoria.

Gerolt seems more like Jack O' Neil from the Stargate movie vs. Jack O' Neill from SG-1. If even that.
>_>

Technically, Miku didn't make her start in video games; her primary thing is music culture.

Considering the one rule that Sakurai has actually stated, I don't think she can even be in the running.
I'd consider "Content Creation Software" more valid than novel characters like Gerry, personally.
Whenever viable, bring on Miku and/or Clippy. >_>

Heh, I don't see Accolade or Black Forest Games among the deconfirmed list. Of course, what franchises do they even own?

Wait a minute...

Oh god.

Giana either sits with Black Forest or THQNordic now, so they got that on their side too.
It's time for the Sisters. The brothers are HISTORY.

Chris Huelsbeck music time.
 

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If we're talking about a wood rep we need mother****ing Mokujin
If Sandbag ever becomes playable, I want it to be like Mokujin. Real talk.

I know, I know. I'm just saying, a character like Taliyah would've been perfect for a musical group like True Damage. Her voice actress even sings her own theme song. >_<

League reveal trailers are fantastic! So I can imagine a Smash x League trailer being absolutely mind-blowing.
I know, right? Now imagine having that song + Emi Evans in the same game if 2B comes in the next season. Realize that this is an actual possibility that we're discussing right now.

I love this timeline.
 
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Does anyone agree the deconfirmations by Vergeben and Sabi is misinformation at this point? I definitely think so.
 

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Does anyone agree the deconfirmations by Vergeben and Sabi is misinformation at this point? I definitely think so.
I'm definitely not counting out the possibility. We'll see in the next 5 days. They didn't say they'd stop with the disconformations, so it's possible we'll be hearing more.
 
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Good morning everyone.

Seems that some of us have backed out from guessing who and just having doubts over Verge and Sabi in general. This is inevitable to happen, but at this rate, FP5 has become a literal hellhole of speculation.

I've already gone out of character by putting my hopes on Season 2, but...all this debate whether the Word of the Lourd is even the voice to be heeded by is pretty messy tbh.

Since we're all in doubt, assuming that the Word of the Lourd committed a big fallacy, I'm heading back to my KOS-MOS hideout. We've got some 4chan leaks to discuss there.

Kudos to ES. Dinah ES. Dinah for relaying all this info.

Meanwhile all this bull**** regarding Verge is so....messy to the point of not believing Verge for this last week.

Does anyone agree the deconfirmations by Vergeben and Sabi is misinformation at this point? I definitely think so.
I'm starting to lean more on that mindset. Should Verge be misinformed by his scared news source, then no wonder he'd be pulling this failsafe out of nowhere.
 
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