Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Ayumi Tachibana]

Putting every deconfirmation lists aside, I'm still leaning towards KOS-MOS or any Bamco rep based on my guess.
Bamco Miis entirely missing is still strange, I'm sure a lot of people were on the same boat before this massacre and that was clearly a decent educated guess came from your own thoughts.
Vergeben snd Sabi very possibly right again like in the Grinch leak time, but I don't want to throw away that easily what came out from my mind just for them.
TGA is right around corner. And I'm okay with anybody's inclusion even ones I'm not familiar with tbh. So I'll just be stubborn this time.

 

[cmbsfm]

He didn’t have to, Sakurai already did that job for him. Numerous times.

Issa Joke man.

 

[SNEKeater]

Geralt is more known by the games, that's obvious. But that doesn't make him a character originated from videogames. He being more famous for the games doesn't erase his origin or the books where he came from, you know.

Pokémon is more known globally as an anime, mostly from people who doesn't play videogames. That means Pokémon isn't a videogame franchise anymore or something like that? Obviously not.

Evidently it's all up to Sakurai, but seeing his stance about characters like Goku and Ironman I'm pretty sure he wouldn't consider Geralt an eligible option. It's true that Geralt isn't in the same position as Goku, Ironman and other characters, but that doesn't obliterate the fact that Geralt came from another medium

I loved TW3 and I love Geralt, but I don't think he's eligible. Of course maybe I'm wrong and he's FP5 or a post-pass character, but I'm 99% sure he won't happen for the reasons mentioned before.

 

[scoobymcsnack]

An interesting thing to add to the Geralt conversation:
Andrzej Sapkowski, author of the books The Witcher games are based on, has made it quite clear that the games are very separate from the novels. Source

Whether this gets rid of Geralt's non-video game status, I'm not totally sure. It's just interesting.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Alright time to do a quick survey.

Who believes in the deconfirmations made by Sabi and Verge and who believes they're rubbish?

Sabi, yes. Verge, no. Ironically enough.

Less is more in this case, and the fact Verge deconfirmed a LOT of people is mighty suspicious... not to mention Sabi, Jon and other insider's reactions to the kill list...

 

[SKX31]

I’ve stated numerous times in the past that Smash speculation is practically a Ace Attorney/Danganronpa trial that you take part in at this point, lol.

Sometimes it even feels like whatever this is:

I take it back. These are the best mobile game ads. pic.twitter.com/AbeFdEnHG0

— Daniel Ahmad (@ZhugeEX) December 7, 2019

Alright time to do a quick survey.

Who believes in the deconfirmations made by Sabi and Verge and who believes they're rubbish?

#Teamneutral, this could go either way really. Kinda leaning towards rubbish if only because of the size and the leakers' track record not being super-reliable, but I'm not hardcommitting to it. Because Sakurai likes his oddball picks like EA / Sony / Nexon would be.

 

[cothero]

You want me to whip up a few for old time's sake?

Yes, please. My inner smash child is willing to be fooled once again to these beautiful blurry fake image leaks.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Sometimes it even feels like whatever this is:

I take it back. These are the best mobile game ads. pic.twitter.com/AbeFdEnHG0

— Daniel Ahmad (@ZhugeEX) December 7, 2019

#Teamneutral, this could go either way really. Kinda leaning towards rubbish if only because of the size and the leakers' track record not being super-reliable, but I'm not hardcommitting to it. Because Sakurai likes his oddball picks like EA / Sony / Nexon would be.

0/10 not That's How Mafia Works

i wouldnt be surprised if EA happened tho

 

[Eldrake]

If Geralt gets in Smash with the excuse of using his game version, then what's to stop the frenzied Goku fans from stating that they can just use Goku's game version instead? Or how about Marvel fans using Marvel vs Capcom as an excuse to support Iron-Man? What do you have to say about that, Samus Awrong?

 

[KillerCage]

Either Vergeben's deconfirmation are true (likely meaning we are getting an Indie character) or he has been tricked.
If it is the latter, then don't Vergeben and Sabi share the same source?
Right now I'm hoping he's wrong.

 

[cmbsfm]

These disconfirmations are exciting because everything we thought we likely is not in play in anymore. So we’re left to scramble to find who it could be that we haven’t thought of. It’s honestly really great.

 

[Gentlepanda]

what's to stop the frenzied Goku fans from stating that they can just use Goku's game version instead

sakurai not giving a **** and not being beholden to what internet speculators say

 

[Lady Kuki]

Alright time to do a quick survey.

Who believes in the deconfirmations made by Sabi and Verge and who believes they're rubbish?

On one hand, you still possibly have Geralt, a Sony rep, an indie rep, and a Riot rep. I don’t remember the full disconfirmation list so it’s possible I’m missing a few.

On the other hand, leakers aren’t prophets. They can be wrong. Just because they were right a few other times, doesn’t mean they’re going to be right this time.

I’ll just take the neutral route on this one. In the next five days, SOMEONE is going to have their face blown up. As to whether it’s the faces of the cynical fanbase or the leakers, only time will tell.

 

[TwiceEXE]

Alright time to do a quick survey.

Who believes in the deconfirmations made by Sabi and Verge and who believes they're rubbish?

My stance currently is that I am going to treat them as accurate, for now. I'll expect a character from one of the remaining companies, but I'm not going to be surprised at all if this is all leakbait.

Edit: If a Fullbright game or Clock Tower remake gets leaked then I'm going all in on Verge's info being rubbish.

 

[M@R!3]

Anything new since Verge started the apocalypse?

 

[Roberk]

If Geralt gets in Smash with the excuse of using his game version, then what's to stop the frenzied Goku fans from stating that they can just use Goku's game version instead? Or how about Marvel fans using Marvel vs Capcom as an excuse to support Iron-Man? What do you have to say about that, Samus Awrong?

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Goku is much more known as being from an anime/manga, and his games make it clear that they are faithful adaptations of the source material. The same goes for Iron Man and other Marvel characters. Meanwhile, it's clear that Geralt from The Witcher games is separate from his book source material.

 

[yeet123]

Im team Kratos and Laufey. We got tee shirts.

 

[CureParfait]

Alright time to do a quick survey.

Who believes in the deconfirmations made by Sabi and Verge and who believes they're rubbish?

I think there is a possibility of the deconfirmations to be true since there's a chance the DLC 5 is a character from a company that is under everyone's radar.

 

[Deleted member]

Sometimes it even feels like whatever this is:

I take it back. These are the best mobile game ads. pic.twitter.com/AbeFdEnHG0

— Daniel Ahmad (@ZhugeEX) December 7, 2019

Excuse me, but what? Is this real?

 

[SNEKeater]

An interesting thing to add to the Geralt conversation:
Andrzej Sapkowski, author of the books The Witcher games are based on, has made it quite clear that the games are very separate from the novels. Source

Whether this gets rid of Geralt's non-video game status, I'm not totally sure. It's just interesting.

His non-video game status remains the same in my opinion. He maybe doesn't consider the games to be canon, but that doesn't mean videogame Geralt is now originated from videogames or something.
If the games took place in a completely different universe and Geralt and the other characters never referenced events or characters from the books, that would be at least different. But The Witcher games aren't a reboot in terms of story, setting and characters. I mean, The Witcher 1 starts 5 years after the events of the last book.

 

[Deleted member]

Sorry for the sudden off-topic, but I want to share something I found really awesome.

Someone at another thread has done an edit of Hero’s trailer, showing how it could have played if it turned out to be a double reveal alongside Sora:

Here, in the midst of all this drama, enjoy this little edit I made

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I wanted to share the post over here because I am honestly impressed with it and wanted to give the person who did it a lot of support by sharing their work.

Gonna tag Professor Pumpkaboo and Nekoo so they see it too.

 

[Arcanir]

I feel the better point to be made here is if the character in question has rights that are tied up with multiple parties. While Dracula being public domain doesn't automatically mean he gets a pass, him being that way means that the only rights you have to go to get are through one party (Konami) to get the Castlevania interpretation, so it's easy for Sakurai to acquire the character and use him in the game. On the other hand, Goku would be tough as the character is tied up to at least four different parties (Toei, Bamco, Toriyama, and Shueisha) so the character becomes much more complicated to get. So as a result Sakurai is not going to go for Goku because it's not very feasible of an option without extensive negotiations, and at that point he could probably go for another video game character instead.

As for Geralt, the big question to ask is how the rights are set up with the character. There does seem to be at least two parties at play with the original author and the Developer (CD Projekt Red), but the character does seem to have an easier time getting used in other video games as he's set for an appearance in Daemon x Machina as well as was playable in Soul Calibur VI. So the character may not have the same complications that someone like Goku or James Bond would, which could make them more feasible as an option if Sakurai wanted to go for it.

 

[Deleted member]

sakurai not giving a **** and not being beholden to what internet speculators say

sakurai actually browses smashboard website and every time somebody says they want a character in he moves them up the priority list. it's true, look it up

 

[Playstation Guy 1000]

I kinda wish that FP5 is a discomfirmed character so Vergeben gets btfo.

 

[nessdeltarune00]

I get it the reason people are doubting verge is because all their most wanted’s are gone and they’re tired of the deconfirmations

My most wanted was snapped and that is not why I am doubting him.

When I first saw Vergebens kill list this morning, I initially accepted it as 100% fact, no questions asked. However, the main reason why I am starting to have my doubts is the way the other insiders have acted (Gamexplain and Source calling him out) and I then remembered that literally the same thing happened right before last years VGAs with Hitagis kill list (Who said no Atlus btw). I know that they are different in terms of credibility, but I just find it very odd that this is happening again. There was also that I theory that I posted a couple of pages back, but that is just a theory, I guess.

In conclusion, I have no idea what the outcome will be at this point.

 

[SKX31]

Excuse me, but what? Is this real?

Yes.

pic.twitter.com/dBgfuwFEOX

— ScottyDont (@ScottyDontTwit) December 7, 2019

I kinda wish that FP5 is a discomfirmed character so Vergeben gets btfo.

Whether a disconfirmed character gets to be FP5 or not it's gonna be really chaotic.

 

[KatKit]

Putting every deconfirmation lists aside, I'm still leaning towards KOS-MOS or any Bamco rep based on my guess.
Bamco Miis entirely missing is still strange, I'm sure a lot of people were on the same boat before this massacre and that was clearly a decent educated guess came from your own thoughts.
Vergeben snd Sabi very possibly right again like in the Grinch leak time, but I don't want to throw away that easily what came out from my mind just for them.
TGA is right around corner. And I'm okay with anybody's inclusion even ones I'm not familiar with tbh. So I'll just be stubborn this time.

I imagine Bandai Namco happening after season one, but I'd love to be proven wrong. BlankInk probably agrees, and I think more people would listen to him if he just admitted to wanting KOS-MOS because he likes the character, instead of pretending he doesn't.

I would not mind Taliyah in the slightest. Have never played LoL (and if it's gonna be a LoL character my personal bet is on the succubus-kitsune Ahri) but Smash could certainly benefit from a rock user.

I've said it elsewhere, but I'll take any League character. But yes, Taliyah is so cool. The video below is what sold me. The determination in her eyes; the carefree body language. And that theme song. The rock telekinesis surfpowers (complete with floating rock bracelets) is just icing on the cake. I've seen her in-game abilities, and translating them to a platform fighter would be very unique.

I have no idea why the devs don't bother giving her more alternate costumes. Granted, it's pretty hard to top her default one; that design is perfection lol.

By the way, is your sig Kat wearing one of her alternate outfits, or is that outfit Lina's (Dota 2, the character I'd favor if that game ever gets a character into Smash, pipedream as it is currently)? Part of me swear it's the latter (and welcome to the club if it indeed is!). Just wanting to be sure.

It's Kat's default outfit but Christmas themed.

But on the subject of Dota2, if that ever happened, Lina would probably be my pick as well lol. Though I know very little about it; I'll do some research some time.

 

[Lady Kuki]

My most wanted was snapped and that is not why I am doubting him.

When I first saw Vergebens kill list this morning, I initially accepted it as 100% fact, no questions asked. However, the main reason why I am starting to have my doubts is the way the other insiders have acted (Gamexplain and Source calling him out) and I then remembered that literally the same thing happened right before last years VGAs with Hitagis kill list (Who said no Atlus btw). I know that they are different in terms of credibility, but I just find it very odd that this is happening again. There was also that I theory that I posted a couple of pages back, but that is just a theory, I guess.

In conclusion, I have no idea what the outcome will be at this point.

Yeah, like it’s a hasty assumption to say that someone who doesn’t agree with a leaker is just salty that their most wanted is disconfirmed. Some people just get skeptical over leakers. It’s totally fine to do so methinks.

 

[3BitSaurus]

Alright time to do a quick survey.

Who believes in the deconfirmations made by Sabi and Verge and who believes they're rubbish?

I'm inclined to believe in Vergeben for now. If, say, Shinobi came out of hiding and said Vergeben was wrong and CP5 was [INSERT PICK HERE], I'd have to believe Shinobi due to his better track record.

Honestly, I don't really care about being right or wrong, I just want to see how far this rabbit hole goes.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Sorry for the sudden off-topic, but I want to share something I found really awesome.

Someone at another thread has done an edit of Hero’s trailer, showing how it could have played if it turned out to be a double reveal alongside Sora:


I wanted to share the post over here because I am honestly impressed with it and wanted to give the person who did it a lot of support by sharing their work.

Gonna tag Professor Pumpkaboo and Nekoo so they see it too.

perfection. Props to them using the best scene too

 

[scoobymcsnack]

As for Geralt, the big question to ask is how the rights are set up with the character. There does seem to be at least two parties at play with the original author and the Developer (CD Projekt Red), but the character does seem to have an easier time getting used in other video games as he's set for an appearance in Daemon x Machina as well as was playable in Soul Calibur VI. So the character may not have the same complications that someone like Goku or James Bond would, which could make them more feasible as an option if Sakurai wanted to go for it.

I imagine Sakurai would have to go through CD Projekt Red, and SuperNOWA (the original publishers of the book), as I think publishers usually own rights and what not. I could be totally wrong though.

 

[Opossum]

TFW everyone is using Dracula as the go-to public domain example instead of the most powerful spirit in the game.

 

[Roberk]

I have no idea why the devs don't bother giving her more alternate costumes.

Because skins need to sell to a lot of players to make money and Taliyah's play rate is... well...

 

[Wunderwaft]

Regardless of who FP5 is, I have a strong feeling it's gonna be another character that will be added to 3BitSaurus signature.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Looks at what happen

ALRIGHT THATS IT!

I’m calling my theory on verge and sabi lying legit

Heck maybe the cacodemon and mallow leak was true and they were secretly hiding that it was real and FP5 is infact either geno or doomguy

 

[SNEKeater]

FP5 is Camilla from Fire Emblem Fates.

 

[I.D.]

I have no idea why the devs don't bother giving her more alternate costumes.

I haven't played league in a long time but from what I remember almost nobody played Taliyah unless she happened to be broken at the time.

 

[Deleted member]

As for Geralt, the big question to ask is how the rights are set up with the character. There does seem to be at least two parties at play with the original author and the Developer (CD Projekt Red), but the character does seem to have an easier time getting used in other video games as he's set for an appearance in Daemon x Machina as well as was playable in Soul Calibur VI. So the character may not have the same complications that someone like Goku or James Bond would, which could make them more feasible as an option if Sakurai wanted to go for it.

Based on the copyright information for the Monster Hunter event it seems like if they would only have to specifically deal with CD Projekt Red if the games were the only things Geralt would be basing his appearance off of in Smash. The original author is still credited in this case but I'm not sure if negotiations with him would be required.

 

[Deleted member]

Looks at what happen

ALRIGHT THATS IT!

I’m calling my theory on verge and sabi lying legit

Heck maybe the cacodemon and mallow leak was true and they were secretly hiding that it was real and FP5 is infact either geno or doomguy

"Okay guys, here's how Geno can still win."

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Either doom guy or geno

I mean at this point verge and sabi might be like this

https://mobile.twitter.com/stardustdyamic/status/1203163462622425088

Game explain guys are offical on my theory on they are lying