Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[BZL8]

What are we learning? Build an army. Trust nobody.

So today's lesson about leaks

Don't trust them. pic.twitter.com/HltG3dbY7w

— Aubby (@MyNameisAubby) December 7, 2019

 

[Tony Scott]

Hi I was sleep before this blew up. I have work in about 20 min (otherwise i would just go look through and find it myselr) can one of you kind people just give me a list of everything “deconfirmed”

 

[Deleted member]

You don't speak for me who do you think you are the ****in' Lorax?

I read that with a Danny De Vito voice and I don’t reject it.

 

[Deleted member]

Why is it not surprising that whenever there is something the community doesn't like, people start going on the leakbait argument? We had that **** with ****ing Hero for 5+ months for God's sake

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

By no means do I think Geralt is “a lock” or something.

Simply that he absolutely should not be ruled out as Challenger Pack 5.

Sabi did not say that Verge was wrong. He said he didn’t hear those same things. He also said he doesn’t get why people are suddenly sandbagging leakers now that a larger list has been provided in terms of who is out. I think it’s valid to at least take a step back and realize that literally just yesterday, everybody took their word as gospel.

Now that a larger list has been shot down, as well as numerous picks people wanted, the tables have turned. It’s basically the Smash community in a nutshell: “As long as you support my character, you’re fine. If you don’t? Pssh, no way do you have any information. There’s no way!”

I’m not even wagering to say I’m siding with Verge or Sabi, and it’s hilarious that people think Sabi is really that trustworthy when he really hasn’t leaked anything Smash related on his own, but go against Verge wholeheartedly despite his record being better than Sabi.

At this point I may retire from this **** after next week. Exhausting as hell.

 

[Deleted member]

Why is it not surprising that whenever there is something the community doesn't like, people start going on the leakbait argument? We had that **** with ****ing Hero for 5+ months for God's sake

I personally feel that the best thing I can do is to be neutral until everything finally unfolds as I did with Grinch.

There are too many pros and cons for both sides, and in cases really confusing such as this I find it better to stay calm and keep my mind on other stuff while everything unfolds.

I feel it won’t be worth it to get too exhausted with all of this in the end.

 

[Deleted member]

Leeettt's get this **** out of the way and say that this is too implausible for any of the two to be trusted anymore. No more of this deconfirmation bull****. Our girls and boys are back, and it's only a matter of time...

 

[GoodGrief741]

Why is it not surprising that whenever there is something the community doesn't like, people start going on the leakbait argument? We had that **** with ****ing Hero for 5+ months for God's sake

Oh but you see, Vergeben is clearly being leakbaited by Doritos Pope playing 5D chess. The reason I know this is because I myself am Geoff Keighley, and I'm banking on you not believing me and playing right into my hands once more.

 

[RileyXY1]

By no means do I think Geralt is “a lock” or something.

Simply that he absolutely should not be ruled out as Challenger Pack 5.

Sabi did not say that Verge was wrong. He said he didn’t hear those same things. He also said he doesn’t get why people are suddenly sandbagging leakers now that a larger list has been provided in terms of who is out. I think it’s valid to at least take a step back and realize that literally just yesterday, everybody took their word as gospel.

Now that a larger list has been shot down, as well as numerous picks people wanted, the tables have turned. It’s basically the Smash community in a nutshell: “As long as you support my character, you’re fine. If you don’t? Pssh, no way do you have any information. There’s no way!”

I’m not even wagering to say I’m siding with Verge or Sabi, and it’s hilarious that people think Sabi is really that trustworthy when he really hasn’t leaked anything Smash related on his own, but go against Verge wholeheartedly despite his record being better than Sabi.

At this point I may retire from this **** after next week. Exhausting as hell.

He absolutely should be ruled out because his series debuted as a novel, not a video game.

 

[GoodGrief741]

He absolutely should be ruled out because his series debuted as a novel, not a video game.

Yeah, this is exactly why we'll never get Joker in Smash.

Wait a minute-

 

[Ura]

What are we learning? Build an army. Trust nobody.

So today's lesson about leaks

Don't trust them. pic.twitter.com/HltG3dbY7w

— Aubby (@MyNameisAubby) December 7, 2019

This sounds so consipracy-ish lmao.

I think this just goes to show how far we'll go to deny an outcome we don't want to hear/believe. Trust me, i've been there plenty of times.

There is a possibility Verge could be wrong about one of the characters but it really seems like hope against hope at this point.

 

[Roberk]

Yeah, this is exactly why well never get Joker in Smash.

Wait a minute-

Megami Tensei has just about nothing to do with the Shin Megami Tensei video game series, especially Persona. It's multiple layers of off-shoots that are barely connected.

 

[BZL8]

This sounds so consipracy-ish lmao.

I think this just goes to show how far we'll go to deny an outcome we don't want to hear/believe. Trust me, i've been there plenty of times.

There is a possibility Verge could be wrong about one of the characters but it really seems like hope against hope at this point.

Indeed. Who or what can we trust after this roller coaster of insanity?

 

[GoodGrief741]

Megami Tensei has just about nothing to do with the Shin Megami Tensei video game series, especially Persona. It's multiple layers of off-shoots that are barely connected.

And it's a series that began as a series of novels.

If "oh, but it doesn't count if the games represented are very different from the novels" works, then "it doesn't count if the games surpassed the novels in popularity" works too.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

We can all agree that Company Deconfirmations is this years Grinch Leak.

In terms of the poop storm it's created and had people with clout at each other's throats yes.

Wether it's true or not, that's another matter.

Still what a way to round off the year.

 

[Idon]

Megami Tensei has just about nothing to do with the Shin Megami Tensei video game series, especially Persona. It's multiple layers of off-shoots that are barely connected.

Listen, all I'm saying is give Akemi Nakajima a chance.

 

[Lady Kuki]

I don't get it. How is accepting the possibility of Verge/Sabi being wrong considered a conspiracy?

 

[Roberk]

And it's a series that began as a series of novels.

If "oh, but it doesn't count if the games represented are very different from the novels" works, then "it doesn't count if the games surpassed the novels in popularity" works too.

It's one thing to put like, Harry Potter from the Harry Potter novels in Smash. That's a direct connection to source material. Megami Tensei --> SMT is basically just inspiration and then Persona is its own thing. It's a terribly shaky link chain.

 

[Ridrool64]

Is Geralt next to impossible to license? This is most likely the biggest reason we're not gonna see Son Goku. How difficult would it be to get the rights to Geralt?

 

[Nemuresu]

Hey, does anyone remember the Grinch days where people thought Incineroar was a leakbait? Yeah, good times.

Also, hearing a new rumor about Geralt, what's up with it?

 

[Deleted member]

In terms of the poop storm it's created and had people with clout at each other's throats yes.

Wether it's true or not, that's another matter.

Still what a way to round off the year.

Whether or not it happens , should ANY character from ANY of those companies be the reveal, it all now proves that Vergeben is nothing more than an attention seeking false god.

 

[DevaAshera]

Lets remember this could be another case Vergeben had been wrong as he was with an Square rep as the first DLC Pass fighter and Minecraft content.

Just something to note.

And some things in DragonBall FighterZ..its par for the course with Verge, he always gets some things right and some things wrong, which is why I never hung on his every word like so many others have.

 

[DrifloonEmpire]

Given all the disconfirmations recently, I wanted to throw this out there as a possibility.

Do you play Smash Bros? Do you love @CaveStory? Then #VoteforQuote! https://t.co/l1wJRVUW8e pic.twitter.com/QXdeOTsM4p

— Nicalis, Inc. (@nicalis) April 2, 2015

CEO be ****ed, Quote deserves to be in the game.

 

[Ura]

Indeed. Who or what can we trust after this roller coaster of insanity?

We're living in a society I tell ya'

 

[Deleted member]

And some things in DragonBall FighterZ..its par for the course with Verge, he always gets some things right and some things wrong, which is why I never hung on his every word like so many others have.

Speaking of which, what was the track record of Verge in THAT game?

 

[Dutch Raikuna]

Seriously the speculation train is multi track drifting with just today. Guess I threw my hat in one of the craziest days of it.

I'm almost certain that fighter 5 will be announced this week with the small chance of hopefully leading into fighter 6. If not, I'm going to have a good week regardless it seems. State of Play, my favourite eatery is reopening, TGAs and more. After today I'm definitely sticking around.

 

[GKMLTTSB]

Your deliberate Final Fantasy misspelling won't get past me, GK. Unless you're talking about this. lmao

I will never see his name and not auto-correct it to Gerolt.

As far as I'm concerned, being a Witcher became terribly unprofitable and he moved away to make kettles. >_>

 

[GoodGrief741]

It's one thing to put like, Harry Potter from the Harry Potter novels in Smash. That's a direct connection to source material. Megami Tensei --> SMT is basically just inspiration and then Persona is its own thing. It's a terribly shaky link chain.

All I'm saying is if Joker can get in on a technicality then so can Geralt.

Is Geralt next to impossible to license? This is most likely the biggest reason we're not gonna see Son Goku. How difficult would it be to get the rights to Geralt?

You only have to deal with the devs; the author relinquished the rights to them for everything videogames.

 

[Deleted member]

Is Geralt next to impossible to license? This is most likely the biggest reason we're not gonna see Son Goku. How difficult would it be to get the rights to Geralt?

Considering how much Geralt has appeared in games recently, licensing him probably isn't an issue.

 

[Nemuresu]

Speaking of which, what was the track record of Verge in THAT game?

What was right=Base Goku and Vegeta, Season 2 and Jiren.
What was wrong=Copy-pasted Beerus and Hit from legit leaks (thankfully, he hasn't pulled that off ever since), suggested things like Ultra Instinct Goku and some other things I can't recall well.
FighterZ wasn't ever Verg's forte unlike Soul Calibur VI or Smash.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

He absolutely should be ruled out because his series debuted as a novel, not a video game.

Geralt is a grey area. It’s not wise to treat it as black and white, if you ask me.

It’s not something nearly as blatant as, say, Harry Potter or Katniss from the Hunger Games.

It’s a case in which the games themselves surpass the popularity of the books, the usage of the character in games is reliant on the game developer and not the author.

It’s not entirely one way or the other, and it comes down to what Sakurai considers out of the realm of possibility.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Whether or not it happens , should ANY character from ANY of those companies be the reveal, it all now proves that Vergeben is nothing more than an attention seeking false god.

Since I don't hold grudges (Except when game series get derailed), if that happens, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he messed up the order AGAIN.

 

[Hinata]

@ Everyone saying Verge's info could be wrong:

My hopes and dreams have been crushed twice. I'm not going to let it happen a third time.

 

[AreJay25]

Speaking of which, what was the track record of Verge in THAT game?

Zarbon is my favorite DBFZ character

 

[Nemuresu]

Just to tell, Geralt is now part of Daemon X Machina:

https://nintendoeverything.com/daemon-x-machina-reveals-the-witcher-3-collaboration/

Now, that doesn't mean he's gonna be in Smash, but negotiating for him wouldn't be complicated.

 

[PeridotGX]

I feel like we should sit down and think about how, between Saber, Gordan Freeman and Bandana Dee, most people would say Bandana Dee is the least likely.

 

[Droodle]

Is Geralt next to impossible to license? This is most likely the biggest reason we're not gonna see Son Goku. How difficult would it be to get the rights to Geralt?

Geralt is pretty easy to license, he appears in just about everything.
If Sakurai wanted Geralt in, it'd be pretty easy.
What we're arguing about is that technically Geralt is a book character, who's video games have dwarfed the popularity of the books. That opens up a ton of gray area in whether he's eligible for Smash or not.

 

[Ura]

@ Everyone saying Verge's info could be wrong:

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My hopes and dreams have been crushed twice. I'm not going to let it happen a third time.

#CrushedDreamsGang

 

[Deleted member]

What was right=Base Goku and Vegeta, Season 2 and Jiren.
What was wrong=Copy-pasted Beerus and Hit from legit leaks (thankfully, he hasn't pulled that off ever since), suggested things like Ultra Instinct Goku and some other things I can't recall well.
FighterZ wasn't ever Verg's forte unlike Soul Calibur VI or Smash.

Isn't that kinda...obvious stuff Arc Sys would add, kinda like Terry with SNK?

@ Everyone saying Verge's info could be wrong:

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My hopes and dreams have been crushed twice. I'm not going to let it happen a third time.

Same.

 

[nessdeltarune00]

By no means do I think Geralt is “a lock” or something.

Simply that he absolutely should not be ruled out as Challenger Pack 5.

Sabi did not say that Verge was wrong. He said he didn’t hear those same things. He also said he doesn’t get why people are suddenly sandbagging leakers now that a larger list has been provided in terms of who is out. I think it’s valid to at least take a step back and realize that literally just yesterday, everybody took their word as gospel.

Now that a larger list has been shot down, as well as numerous picks people wanted, the tables have turned. It’s basically the Smash community in a nutshell: “As long as you support my character, you’re fine. If you don’t? Pssh, no way do you have any information. There’s no way!”

I’m not even wagering to say I’m siding with Verge or Sabi, and it’s hilarious that people think Sabi is really that trustworthy when he really hasn’t leaked anything Smash related on his own, but go against Verge wholeheartedly despite his record being better than Sabi.

At this point I may retire from this **** after next week. Exhausting as hell.

Idk how many times I have to say this, but I immediately thought that Verge’s list was 100% accurate, even though it had my most wanted on it.

It wasn’t until the Gamexplain/Source Gaming tweets, remembering a similar incident last year, and the fact that Geoff was the only one that knew about Joker last year that I started expressing doubt.

If all people were doing was using the “leakbait” argument, I’d understand where you are coming from. But just know that there are other reasons why people have expressed uncertainty other than their most wanteds getting deconfirmed.