Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Garteam]

I don't get why people are still holding Sora in the running. Yes, he's a Disney character and that company hasn't been deconfirmed. However, he's also a Square character, and that company has been deconfirmed according to Vergeben. For some, this thread tends to flip flop between which company owns Sora depending on what's more convenient for the character.

A couple of months ago, the basic argument against and for Sora's inclusion was:
"Sora isn't getting in because dealing with Disney is a nightmare and it'd be difficult to properly portray Kingdom Hearts without the Disney elements."
"That doesn't matter because Sora is a Square character and they can do whatever they want with him, regardless of what Disney wants."

Now, the argument has completely shifted to:
"Sora isn't getting in because Square's been deconfirmed by Vergeben."
"That doesn't matter because Sora is a Disney character and they haven't been deconfirmed."

 

[Nemuresu]

Isn't that kinda...obvious stuff Arc Sys would add, kinda like Terry with SNK?

Not in FighterZ, where the base roster already had Super Saiyan Goku and Vegeta as their defaul forms. Without Vergeben and January's datamining, nobody would've thought they'd sell base forms as DLC.

 

[Deleted member]

Not in FighterZ, where the base roster already had Super Saiyan Goku and Vegeta as their defaul forms. Without Vergeben and January's datamining, nobody would've thought they'd sell base forms as DLC.

I see. But what came first? January datamine or Verge?

 

[Nemuresu]

I see. But what came first? January datamine or Verge?

Vergeben. He leaked them two months prior to the game's release, while the datamining had to wait until that time.

 

[NeonBurrito]

Given all the disconfirmations recently, I wanted to throw this out there as a possibility.

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Quote would be such a bitter sweet inclusion. He has of moveset potential, tons of room for great remixes, a possible Curly echo, and in my personal opinion, he's the best representative they could choose for the indie game community, due to Cave Story's importance to the scene.

However, I really hate supporting anything Cave Story these days after how Nicalis treats Pixel and other indie developers. If anyone wants to continue supporting Pixel, I highly recommend picking up Kero Blaster. It's available on Steam, PS4, and Switch.

 

[CureParfait]

Hi I was sleep before this blew up. I have work in about 20 min (otherwise i would just go look through and find it myselr) can one of you kind people just give me a list of everything “deconfirmed”

Capcom characters
Sega characters
Konami characters
Arc System Works characters
Spike Chunsoft characters
Marvelous characters
Epic Games characters
ZUN / Team Shanghai Alice's Touhou Project characters
Bethesda characters entirely
Koei Tecmo characters entirely
Activision characters
Blizzard characters
It possibly being another Microsoft character
It possibly being another Square Enix character
It being a Nintendo character
It being an Assist Trophy "promoted" to being playable
It being a Spirit "promoted" to being playable

 

[DevaAshera]

Speaking of which, what was the track record of Verge in THAT game?

He was pretty much good until the DLC. I think he got a few things right, but he also said that certain characters were coming that never ended up being even hinted at.
He said Season 2's DLC was going to be Tapion, Gogeta, Master Roshi, Videl w/ Great Saiyaman, Raditz, Zarbon, Cabba, and Kale w/ Caulifla.
Of those, he only got Gogeta (though he didn't specify if it was normal Gogeta or Super Saiyan Blue..its the latter in the game..but I'll count it) and Videl w/ Great Saiyaman.
So that's 2/8 for the Second Season of DragonBall FighterZ DLC. As far as I can tell, he got the Base Roster and Season One correct.

All I'm saying is if Joker can get in on a technicality then so can Geralt.

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You only have to deal with the devs; the author relinquished the rights to them for everything videogames.

Persona uses assets from the Shin Megami Tensei games but isn't one itself, the Shin Megami Tensei moniker was only added to the English versions of the games as a way to try to associate it with something that was already known in the West, in Japan the series has always just been Persona..meaning its not a technicality..beyond that, Joker is a character completely original to Video Games, so he still fits the 'must be a video game character' pre-requisite, Geralt is still the main character in the Witcher Books, so he doesn't..if differences or being an original Video Game incarnation of the character works than so would Injustice's version of Superman, just saying.
It has nothing to do with who owns the rights or who Nintendo has to deal with, its Sakurai's views on how characters should be handled in Smash.

 

[Dark Bagel]

@ Everyone saying Verge's info could be wrong:

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My hopes and dreams have been crushed twice. I'm not going to let it happen a third time.

I feel for you. I don't think your heart can take this many Turnabouts.

 

[M@R!3]

I don't get why people are still holding Sora in the running. Yes, he's a Disney character and that company hasn't been deconfirmed. However, he's also a Square character, and that company has been deconfirmed according to Vergeben. For some, this thread tends to flip flop between which company owns Sora depending on what's more convenient for the character.

A couple of months ago, the basic argument against and for Sora's inclusion was:
"Sora isn't getting in because dealing with Disney is a nightmare and it'd be difficult to properly portray Kingdom Hearts without the Disney elements."
"That doesn't matter because Sora is a Square character and they can do whatever they want with him, regardless of what Disney wants."

Now, the argument has completely shifted to:
"Sora isn't getting in because Square's been deconfirmed by Vergeben."
"That doesn't matter because Sora is a Disney character and they haven't been deconfirmed."

Anyone who says Square owns Sora is wrong. Vergeben hasn't said anything about Disney, but Sora being out came from Sabi so it doesn't matter.

 

[Deleted member]

@ Everyone saying Verge's info could be wrong:

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My hopes and dreams have been crushed twice. I'm not going to let it happen a third time.

If it helps somehow, all of these deconfirmations are in the end just for Fighter 5.

So hope can still prevail for our lawyer if he isn’t Fighter 5.

 

[Playstation Guy 1000]

It wasn’t until the Gamexplain/Source Gaming tweets, remembering a similar incident last year, and the fact that Geoff was the only one that knew about Joker last year that I started expressing doubt..

When/Where did Geoff knew about joker before he was announced.

 

[Lamperouge]

If it helps somehow, all of these deconfirmations are in the end just for Fighter 5.

So hope can still prevail for our lawyer if he isn’t Fighter 5.

Dante, tho...

 

[DevaAshera]

I don't get why people are still holding Sora in the running. Yes, he's a Disney character and that company hasn't been deconfirmed. However, he's also a Square character, and that company has been deconfirmed according to Vergeben. For some, this thread tends to flip flop between which company owns Sora depending on what's more convenient for the character.

A couple of months ago, the basic argument against and for Sora's inclusion was:
"Sora isn't getting in because dealing with Disney is a nightmare and it'd be difficult to properly portray Kingdom Hearts without the Disney elements."
"That doesn't matter because Sora is a Square character and they can do whatever they want with him, regardless of what Disney wants."

Now, the argument has completely shifted to:
"Sora isn't getting in because Square's been deconfirmed by Vergeben."
"That doesn't matter because Sora is a Disney character and they haven't been deconfirmed."

Sora's not a Square-Enix character in any way other than fans falsely believing he is due to Square-Enix making the games and Nomura being the one in charge of the series. He, and Kingdom Hearts, is completely owned by Disney.

Beyond that, Vergeban, as I shown above with his mostly wrong DragonBall FighterZ DLC Season 2 Leaks, is not infallible.

 

[Dutch Raikuna]

When/Where did Geoff knew about joker before he was announced.

This is something I'm very curious by. A type of leak related story that could be helpful as to what is going on this time.

 

[nessdeltarune00]

When/Where did Geoff knew about joker before he was announced.

https://mobile.twitter.com/thegameawards/status/1203101665370394624

Here you go.

 

[cothero]

Capcom characters
Sega characters
Konami characters
Arc System Works characters
Spike Chunsoft characters
Marvelous characters
Epic Games characters
ZUN / Team Shanghai Alice's Touhou Project characters
Bethesda characters entirely
Koei Tecmo characters entirely
Activision characters
Blizzard characters
It possibly being another Microsoft character
It possibly being another Square Enix character
It being a Nintendo character
It being an Assist Trophy "promoted" to being playable
It being a Spirit "promoted" to being playable

Hmmm... Although Gordon and Scorpion have been deconfirmed, he didn't said anything about Valve and Netherealm Studios being deconfirmed...

 

[BZL8]

If you thought the madness surrounding FP5 was insane enough, wait until you see the discussions of the final DLC character.

 

[M@R!3]

If you thought the madness surrounding FP5 was insane enough, wait until you see the discussions of the final DLC character.

That's gonna be a warzone.

 

[Night Gale]

What was right=Base Goku and Vegeta, Season 2 and Jiren.
What was wrong=Copy-pasted Beerus and Hit from legit leaks (thankfully, he hasn't pulled that off ever since), suggested things like Ultra Instinct Goku and some other things I can't recall well.
FighterZ wasn't ever Verg's forte unlike Soul Calibur VI or Smash.

As someone who followed Soul Calibur religiously, Verge's track record was actually inconsistent at best.

 

[kirbsmash]

I'm just here along for the ride. I just hope fighter 5 is fun.

 

[RaintheCriminalWhirlwind]

If you thought the madness surrounding FP5 was insane enough, wait until you see the discussions of the final DLC character.

We really need an announcement soon.

 

[Deleted member]

As someone who followed Soul Calibur religiously, Verge's track record was actually inconsistent at best.

MvC fans got it worse with Vergeben doh.

Still waiting for MvC4

 

[Hinata]

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It all comes down to this.

 

[pinshadow]

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It all comes down to this.

So what, is he even going to say who fighter 5 is? If he doesn't, then I don't see any point in listening to him.

 

[nessdeltarune00]

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It all comes down to this.

*Insert sweating emoji*

 

[Tako Tuesday]

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It all comes down to this.

Soon, all will be revealed. gulps

 

[Deleted member]

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It all comes down to this.

Its probably going to be vague stuff distancing from Vergeben claims and that remember to follow him on Twitter and Discord due to being the number 1 source of rumors.

 

[Nekoo]

However, he's also a Square character

I'm sorry but even though I did read the rest of your post. I'll tell you directly that this is false and there literally no agreement or discussion on this.
Sora is a Disney Characters.
The only input Square have is Nomura's Greenlight-

There no "Also" or "But", we learned it the hard way and idk who the **** try to even argue that fact when we've known this since 1.7 years that it was that-

People "clinge" onto Sora because he's in that gray Zone it's not a question of "Nah m8 I'll just push all point to make sure he's In the game"
That's why Sora is a special case and Should be deconfirmed singularly from the rest of the "square" Characters, which is why Sabi went to deconfirm him by itself-

 

[BZL8]

We really need an announcement soon.

I really do not want to picture the meltdowns that happen if there is no Smash announcement at TGA.

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It all comes down to this.

So basically a non-answer.

 

[MooMew64]

By no means do I think Geralt is “a lock” or something.

Simply that he absolutely should not be ruled out as Challenger Pack 5.

Sabi did not say that Verge was wrong. He said he didn’t hear those same things. He also said he doesn’t get why people are suddenly sandbagging leakers now that a larger list has been provided in terms of who is out. I think it’s valid to at least take a step back and realize that literally just yesterday, everybody took their word as gospel.

Now that a larger list has been shot down, as well as numerous picks people wanted, the tables have turned. It’s basically the Smash community in a nutshell: “As long as you support my character, you’re fine. If you don’t? Pssh, no way do you have any information. There’s no way!”

I’m not even wagering to say I’m siding with Verge or Sabi, and it’s hilarious that people think Sabi is really that trustworthy when he really hasn’t leaked anything Smash related on his own, but go against Verge wholeheartedly despite his record being better than Sabi.

At this point I may retire from this **** after next week. Exhausting as hell.

Honestly, I'm pretty tired of this Verge and Sabi nonsense too. Really looking forward to post-pass resetting things and making speculation actually fun again.

 

[cothero]

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It all comes down to this.

We were watching "Leakers: Infinity War", now it's time for "Leakers: Endgame".

 

[Jomosensual]

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Interesting.

 

[Deleted member]

Nintendo accidentally posted this then deleted it but I managed to screen cap it before it was gone

 

[Jedisupersonic]

I mean, I don't care for Geralt, but the book argument is silly.

People recognize the Witcher as a video game series nowadays, not as a novel.

If anyone would be disqualified for being in a novel first it'd be all the Dynasty Warriors folks considering Romance of the Three Kingdoms is historical fiction. They'd be in the weirdest spot if KT wasn't already nuked (if that post is true that is). Since IRL people translated to a novel that has their own goofy interpretations into DW which has even more "This isn't historical but it's cool af" lmao.

But uh yeah I don't see people being like "Ah yes Geralt the BOOK CHARACTER"

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

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You might call yourself numbers 2, but for the number of times you argued alongside me against dumb "MUH DISNEY" and "MICKEY MOUSE KEYCHAIN MUH DONALDO AND GOOFY" you're still #1 in my heart-

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is that a Sora Padoru?

 

[Ura]

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It all comes down to this.

Sabi: "Yes, everything this man said is true now leave me alone"

idk i'm scared lol

 

[Deleted member]

Its probably going to be vague stuff distancing from Vergeben claims and that remember to follow him on Twitter and Discord due to being the number 1 source of rumors.

Don't forget to like, comment and subscribe for more Smaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaashing rumors~

 

[nessdeltarune00]

Even if Monokuma is out, if what Verge said is true, then FP5 would be absolutely wild for me. So I have every reason to look at this through rose tinted glasses btw.

However, if Sabi actually reveals FP5, can we spoiler tag it? All I want to know is whether or not Verge was wrong, not who FP5 is.

 

[GoodGrief741]

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See? NoA gave me a call-out! I told y'all I was Geoff Keighley, now it's too late!

MWA HA HA HA HA

 

[Deleted member]

CEO be ****ed, Quote deserves to be in the game.

I legitmately don't understand why People use the "The Company is filled with assholes and therefore the character is not likely and should not be in" argument against Quote, even though it didn't worked with Snake and the Belmonts.

Hell, the fact that there are people out there that use this against Quote and and yet support SORA. You know, the character who's owned by Disney? That would be like if Harvey Weinstein called Jeffrey Eipstein (who didn't killed himself ) a creep. Pot calling the Kettle black if im honest. Not gonna call any names, just something that bothers me.

and no the whole issue with Pixel isn't really that much of an argument in my eyes. Yes it sucks, but did you know how they treated Hitoshi Akamatsu? (Creator of Castlevania and Simon Belmont), after the sales of the frachise declined around CV3, they pretty much kicked him out of game development and put him to work in Game Centers until he quit. But Simon is in Smash anyways, and who knows how Akamatsu reacted to that and everything that happened to the series after he left.


EDIT: Im not saying this to defend awful behaviour from Companies against workers, but im just questioning this mentality.