Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Deleted member]

Kosmos is a dark horse, of course they don’t expect her.

Well they do now and there’s no way I’m thinking she’s 5.

 

[Night Gale]

I want A2, 9S, 2B, and or Emil like the next person but I also need and would prefer if this s*** happened because I love this betch and it will represent the entire series in one fell swoop.

 

[SKX31]

Has anyone noticed that Sakurai is so obviously biased for Terry and Joker, their gimmicks, animations, final smashes, music, stages, and background characters are ridiculously way better handled than Hero’s and Banjo’s stuff? I almost feel bad for the people who wanted Banjo and Hero in smash.

I dunno, B-K getting a 3D stage (edit: with the entirety of Spiral Mountain in view) and Hero getting 3 different alts (representing 3 important games in DQ's past) doesn't feel "obviously biased" towards the other two.

 

[Deleted member]

I-Is....Wright really that boring? Other than Villager, and Isabelle, Wii fit, and MAYBE Duck Hunt, we should have characters who don't fight normally.

Just watch some MvC3 footage of him and come back here.

 

[BlackInk]

tbf, Terry and Joker hail from series sakurai is a major fan of.

Yeah, and Hero’s gimmick was rng.

I dunno, B-K getting a 3D stage and Hero getting 3 different alts doesn't feel "obviously biased" towards the other two.

Tell me, was their kit well-designed?

 

[osby]

Has anyone noticed that Sakurai is so obviously biased for Terry and Joker, their gimmicks, animations, final smashes, music, stages, and background characters are ridiculously way better handled than Hero’s and Banjo’s stuff? I almost feel bad for the people who wanted Banjo and Hero in smash.

Tensions rise in Smashboards when people realize artists can do justice to material they are more familiar with better.

 

[Kokiden]

tbf, Terry and Joker hail from series sakurai is a major fan of.

If you enjoyed something so much, you would make sure to put extra care and passion into representing it well.

Has Sakurai played all of the Persona games? Just curious.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

I-Is....Wright really that boring? Other than Villager, and Isabelle, Wii fit, and MAYBE Duck Hunt, we should have characters who don't fight normally.

Of course not, he's the single hypest chracter in UMVC3

 

[kirbsmash]

Just watch some MvC3 footage of him and come back here.

Hi, hello, I'm in his group already.

 

[BlackInk]

Tensions rise in Smashboards when they realize artists can do justice to material they are more familiar with better.

At this point, I’m actually hoping Kosmos is the fifth fighter (and so are Sakurai’s other niche picks), he’ll give them better ****. I do want Hollow Knight. However, if he doesn’t care about the series that much, he’ll curse the rep.

 

[osby]

I dunno, B-K getting a 3D stage (edit: with the entirety of Spiral Mountain in view) and Hero getting 3 different alts (representing 3 important games in DQ's past) doesn't feel "obviously biased" towards the other two.

Hero and Banjo's moveset is a lot more loyal to his series compared to Joker. Hero has more specials than any other fighter. Banjo has a higher ratio of remixes than any other DLC.

If I didn't know better, I'd say all packs have been handled more or less with the same amount of care with focus on different parts so far and someone's just trying to set fans against each other.

 

[AmphabulouSnake]

As I've said multiple times before, both Phoenix Wright and Professor Layton should be in Smash together already and it's unbelievable they haven't made it in yet

 

[Deleted member]

At this point, I’m actually hoping Kosmos is the fifth fighter (and so are Sakurai’s other niche picks), he’ll give them better ****. I do want Hollow Knight. However, if he doesn’t care about the series that much, he’ll curse the rep.

He won’t always give niche pick better ****.

 

[Deleted member]

As I've said multiple times before, both Phoenix Wright and Professor Layton should be in Smash together already and it's unbelievable they haven't made it in yet

Just pray to Sakurai that he does.,

 

[N3ON]

Has anyone noticed that Sakurai is so obviously biased for Terry and Joker, their gimmicks, animations, final smashes, music, stages, and background characters are ridiculously way better handled than Hero’s and Banjo’s stuff? I almost feel bad for the people who wanted Banjo and Hero in smash.

What ridiculous ass standards must someone have to be disappointed a character they wanted wasn't given treatment in excess of 95% of the roster? Not everyone is going to come with their entire company like Terry.

I'd just be happy a character I like is in. The only character in the history of Smash I've been displeased with implementation-wise is Palutena (because her default specials were abysmal), and even she's better in Ultimate than last time. I don't need layered gimmicks or an amount of tracks that ensures I won't listen to them all to be pleased with a character. I just need the character, and if they come from a new series, I guess a stage too.

 

[Night Gale]

Yeah, and Hero’s gimmick was rng.

Tell me, was their kit well-designed?

BanKaz's kit is true to the character. Hero is fun as hell and balanced without being broken.

You're whining about a problem that doesn't exist. Every character in the pack has care put into them. Sheeeeit.

 

[Deleted member]

Banjo got more remixes than any other DLC.

Terry has more remixes. Banjo has a higher percentage of remixed songs, but that's not exactly hard when Terry comes with 50.

 

[BlackInk]

He won’t always give niche pick better ****.

He will because his bias is the reason why the niche pick is a thing. It’s night and day with Joker and Hero.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Never got the stigma around "Sakurai Bias"

real talk, if you manage to nearly work yourself to death making one of the biggest crossovers events in gaming history, I'd say you're most certainly entitled to a couple personal picks of your own

 

[Deleted member]

It could be interpreted either way. But I hope that when I wake up tomorrow (in my time), there will be some sufficient news.

Yeah I think so
But when I said haven’t heard her I meant She’s not #5

 

[osby]

Terry has more remixes. Banjo has a higher percentage of remixed songs, but that's not exactly hard when Terry comes with 50.

Fixed it. Thanks for pointing it out.

 

[BlackInk]

Nveer got the stigma around Sakurai Bias

real talk, if you manage to nearly work yourself to death make one of the biggest crossovers in history, I'd say you're entitled to a couple personal picks of your own

I’m not complaining about it, I’m just saying it’s a monkey’s paw to ask for your favorite character in smash unless Sakurai actually likes them.

 

[N3ON]

He will because his bias is the reason why the niche pick is a thing. It’s night and day with Joker and Hero.

Yeah Hero has like twenty-something specials (without hocus pocus) and Joker doesn't even have half that. Hero also has two times as many alts.

It's a shame he really doesn't seem to care much about Persona.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

I’m not complaining about it, I’m just saying it’s a monkey’s paw to ask for your favorite character in smash unless Sakurai actually likes them.

You do realize without Sakurai, we probably wouldn't even have gotten picks such as K.Rool and Banjo, right?

The dude does way more for us than y'all think

 

[ArchRanger]

Has anyone noticed that Sakurai is so obviously biased for Terry and Joker, their gimmicks, animations, final smashes, music, stages, and background characters are ridiculously way better handled than Hero’s and Banjo’s stuff? I almost feel bad for the people who wanted Banjo and Hero in smash.

I couldn't disagree more with that statement. Been waiting for B&K since SSB64 and their in-game representation is perfect. All the small animations, facial expressions, and nods to the original two games is great. Spiral Mountain is also great with plenty of cameos from the cast (wouldn't mind seeing Klungo and Wumba pop up too but no complaints here on that aspect). If I had to nitpick, it would be out of game stuff like having more songs (although if it was my choice, I would add in every song from the first game lol), some Mii costumes (Mumbo and Tootie would of been great), and if going the extra mile, a Gruntilda boss fight for classic mode but that is unreasonable since no DLC fighter is going to receive that treatment from the looks of it.

In conclusion, B&K's in-game representation is perfect and more than I could ever ask for so I feel that the quality is on par with the other 3 (outside of Terry getting a million songs.. come on, Microsoft!).

 

[Dukemon102]

Hero getting the shaft on the music department was because of Sugiyama and no one else.
The rest just has to do with the source material. Persona 5 is reaaaaally stylish. Of course that will translate to Smash and Joker's presentation.
And SNK giving out music for free was not Sakurai's decision. But he took it because why not?
Not everything in Smash is Sakurai-bias you know?

 

[MooMew64]

-People acting like Joker totally wasn't Sakurai's pick after how much he praised the game in his Famitsu column

Anyone who thinks Sakurai didn't give Joker just as much love as the other characters has clearly never played a Persona game in their life, otherwise they'd see Joker's pack has fan service everywhere.

EDIT-Hold on, I think I messed up, lol. Thought this discussion was about lack of content with Joker; My bad.

 

[osby]

I’m not complaining about it, I’m just saying it’s a monkey’s paw to ask for your favorite character in smash unless Sakurai actually likes them.

Yeah, Sakurai hates Banjo and Hero. That's why Banjo doesn't have his own Jiggy Gauge and Yggdrasil's Altar is missing music from King of Heroes.

Their fans must be heartbroken.

 

[Deleted member]

From what it sounded like in the direct, Sakurai's team didn't even expect the 50 songs he chose to be allowed in Smash. "We were given a very unexpected ok."

This means there is a potential hurdle with the parent company over what music gets in.

Also what entitled kid complains about Banjo and Kazooie not having more content than SNK. Be thankful they're in to begin with instead of waiting 20 more years.

 

[Deleted member]

That's why Banjo doesn't have his own Jiggy Gauge

Imagine if Banjo had to collect Jiggies to unlock certain moves.

 

[BlackInk]

You do realize without Sakurai, we probably wouldn't even have gotten picks such as K.Rool and Banjo, right?

The dude does way more for us than y'all think

He does a lot, but the guy does have priorities. I’m saying that getting him to introduce so many characters is a drain on him.

Yeah Hero has like twenty-something specials (without hocus pocus) and Joker doesn't even have half that. Hero also has two times as many alts.

It's a shame he really doesn't seem to care much about Persona.

Quality is better than quantity. Hero’s down-b is half-assed in comparison to Arsene.

Yeah I think so
But when I said haven’t heard her I meant She’s not #5

Me: Why in the **** did they think it’s a great idea to make the Rex costume 25$ when not a single fighter is appealing directly to them?

 

[Deleted member]

Quality is better than quantity. Hero’s down-b is half-assed in comparison to Arsene.

You're telling me Dragon Quest being better represented than Final Fantasy isn't quality?

Take it from the actual Dragon Quest fan: Hero's magic spell list is a very faithful thing to pull off. Their practical uses resemble almost exactly what you use them for in the games (except Metal Slash, because that move just sucks even against metal opponents.)

The alts were so unexpected. You'd have to lie to yourself if you say that wasn't an amazing thing to do instead of just giving us Erdrick or Luminary.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

-People acting like Joker totally wasn't Sakurai's pick after how much he praised the game in his Famitsu column

Anyone who thinks Sakurai didn't give Joker just as much love as the other characters has clearly never played a Persona game in their life, otherwise they'd see Joker's pack has fan service everywhere.

EDIT-Hold on, I think I messed up, lol. Thought this discussion was about lack of content with Joker; My bad.

Couldn't we say that all the Fighters in the pass are Sakurai picks in their own way? I mean Sakurai did choose the Heroes over the Slime, He loves SNK and Persona 5. Not sure about Banjo & Kazooie but I guess the opportunity was there to throw a bone for the fans.

 

[NoOtherPersona]

As a DQ fan they did fine representing Dragon Quest we got better treatment then FF we got 4 character's in one a thing that made my heart stop we got off real well lol

 

[Droodle]

I think the reason that the primary reason that both Joker and Terry seem to be characters that feel better represented, can be traced back to their companies.

-Joker: Atlus has experience with crossovers before (Blazblue). Atlus and Nintendo also seem to have a good relationship with each other; and on top of that Sakurai loves Persona.

-Hero: It's commonly known that DQ is a hard series to crossover with (Square Enix, Sugiyama, and Bird Studio). You need square enix's permission, and they are known to be quite stingy. Sugiyama would be against his music getting added in unless Nintendo pays him a large sum. Bird Studio owns the actual character designs.

I'm actually surprised DQ is as well represented as it is; because I was expecting far worse. Guess that goes to show that if Sakurai is passionate about something, he'll get it done.

-Banjo-Kazooie: Owned by Microsoft (Still a rival company to Nintendo). And is a Western character, when Sakurai has stated multiple times that it is easier for him to negotiate for eastern characters. I don't know if Sakurai is a huge fan of Banjo-Kazooie either. That said, it's pretty clear that fan demand got Banjo in; and Sakurai did make the character "feel" as though it were a long missing character through Banjo's simplicity.

-Terry: Sakurai is an absolutely huge fan of SNK. On top of this, the development team also seemed like they were huge fans. It also felt like SNK wasn't too hard on Sakurai, and literally allowed him to use almost everything.

So, the development team being huge fans + SNK being rather open about it + It being easy to communicate with SNK = great representation.

 

[MooMew64]

Yeah, Sakurai hates Banjo and Hero. That's why Banjo doesn't have his own Jiggy Gauge and Yggdrasil's Altar is missing music from King of Heroes.

Their fans must be heartbroken.

I honestly can't understand how anyone could think that Banjo and Hero don't have the same amount of love and care put into them. Banjo even being in the game is enough to make me think Sakurai likes adding in fan favorites from time to time.

Hero and Banjo both are fantastic just as they are. If you are a fan of their games, it would be hard not to see all the little touches here and there that make them so good.

 

[BlackInk]

You're telling me Dragon Quest being better represented than Final Fantasy isn't quality?

Take it from the actual Dragon Quest fan: Hero's magic spell list is a very faithful thing to pull off. Their practical uses resemble almost exactly what you use them for in the games (except Metal Slash, because that move just sucks even against metal opponents.)

The alts were so unexpected. You'd have to lie to yourself if you say that wasn't an amazing thing to do instead of just giving us Erdrick or Luminary.

I look at smash from a more technical standpoint. Being accurate to the games isn’t exactly a good thing. They could easily make Hero’s down-b a list of spells that depend on your and your opponent’s percents. You get the better ones when your opponent’s percent is higher or/and when your percent is higher. But, they made the move a huge mess.

 

[ArchRanger]

Imagine if Banjo had to collect Jiggies to unlock certain moves.

No no no... first you have to collect 100 notes, then talk to Bottles that randomly spawns somewhere on the battlefield, and then you unlock one of your moves. Rinse and repeat 10 times to get your whole kit. They're from a collect-a-thon after all so might as well go all in.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

I know next to nothing about Xenogears. What kind of moveset would KOS-MOS have and what stage could represent her?

 

[MooMew64]

I look at smash from a more technical standpoint. Being accurate to the games isn’t exactly a good thing. They could easily make Hero’s down-b a list of spells that depend on your and your opponent’s percents. You get the better ones when your opponent’s percent is higher or/and when your percent is higher. But, they made the move a mess.

Hero's Down B is meant to represent RNG in the DQ series. TBH I'm gonna have hard disagree with you on this, as Hero's Down B is probably the most stupid fun move in the game. He'd be so much more boring if he was predictable.