Newbie Mafia 6 - OVER! Who lived happily ever after in Newbie Land?!

[#HBC | Ryker]

Super ninja'd. As I'm sure you'll do with my case, I'll take your's with a grain of salt should I need to lynch you later. However, for the moment I'm willing to see where this goes.

Unvote

Vote: Dancer

Request Vote Count

I want to see what votes are lying around not on me and not on Dancer.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

Deadline has been set for April 19th, 2010 11:59AM EST.

It's takes 7/12 to lynch!

Day 1 Vote Count 3:​

hidajiremi: (0)
Kataefi: (0)
McFox: xxFrohawkxx, Ryker (

)
RocketPSIence: SwordsRbroken (

)
Ryker: vanderzant, hidajiremi, RocketPSIence (

)
Swiss: The_Guide (

)
Sworddancer.: McFox (

)
SwordsRbroken: (0)
The_Guide: (0)
vanderzant: (0)
VitaminC: (0)
xxFrohawkxx: (0)
Not Voting: Kataefi,Swiss, Sworddancer., VitaminC (

)

The_Guide has been prodded.

Super ninja'd. As I'm sure you'll do with my case, I'll take your's with a grain of salt should I need to lynch you later. However, for the moment I'm willing to see where this goes.

Unvote

Vote: Dancer

Request Vote Count

I want to see what votes are lying around not on me and not on Dancer.

You're kidding, right?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Derp, derp, derp. I'm ********. Excuse me while I go bash my face into a wall. I'll be back when I can be sensible.

 

[McFox]

Also, now that it's public, I would like for the new players to weigh in on what I was doing. Do you agree with what I did? If no, do you at least feel it gave me some concrete(ish) results? If still no, what would you have done differently? Whether you agree with what I did or not, what conclusions have you drawn about me, Ryker, and Swiss at this point?

 

[VitaminC]

I agree with helping to defend other people. If Swiss is a townie and everyone had piled on and voted for him, anti-town would be that much closer to winning.
I think your actions did give some results, and I definitely have some new suspicions based upon it. Not going to make a vote yet, however.

I think I can conclude that both Swiss and you are playing a good game (not much of a compliment, seeing as this is my first game). Not much I can say about Ryker, however. There's something in his posts that make me uneasy as to his intentions.

 

[The_Guide]

@McFox

I was never very suspicious of Ryker. I've read a few games that he's been in, and it seemed to me like he's usually that aggressive. Swiss responded to Ryker's posts in a very level headed way, and he didn't OMGUS vote. That floats pretty well with me. For your part in that debate, I couldn't really get that much info. You seemed as if you were simply disagreeing with Ryker on policy, so I interpreted it as a neutral tell; you'd be obliged to do it whether you were scum or not. Now that I know what you were doing, I'd have to interpret it as a town tell, since it looks like you were actively hunting for information.

Also, Unvote

Vote: VitaminC

I agree with helping to defend other people. If Swiss is a townie and everyone had piled on and voted for him, anti-town would be that much closer to winning.

Let people defend themselves. As long as no one is close to getting lynched, the town will learn plenty from seeing the reaction of the person under pressure.

I think your actions did give some results, and I definitely have some new suspicions based upon it. Not going to make a vote yet, however.

This is pretty much fluff. You made it sound like you were addressing his question, but you said absolutely nothing. Please clarify what results he generated, and what your suspicions are.

I think I can conclude that both Swiss and you are playing a good game (not much of a compliment, seeing as this is my first game). Not much I can say about Ryker, however. There's something in his posts that make me uneasy as to his intentions.

Please clarify what it is about Ryker that makes you uneasy about him.

 

[McFox]

Not much I can say about Ryker, however. There's something in his posts that make me uneasy as to his intentions.

Do you not agree with my interpretation that, were Ryker scum, he wouldn't really care if I interfered in his case, since he'd be happy with any town lynch? And that really only as town would it make sense for him to get as mad at me as he got?

 

[SwordsRbroken]

My motive was just trying to generate conversation other than Ryker's fluff war.

You still did do the same thing yourself, even though you now make an excuse for pointing my mistake out.


Dancer, where are you @?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

@Dancer - something to point out with these particular posts:

#99

There are a few cloudy stances here - Note these lines:

So, anyways, I'm really starting to kinda take McFox's side of this

Now, Mcfox, something does bother me about you... Just about a month ago you seemed to be singing a whole different tone. Now in that game you were town. I wonder if maybe the reason that you're acting differently is because you are on a different side this game?

can you elaborate on why you're taking Mcfox's side, yet you're finding his play this game possibly suspicious?

I was mainly taking Mcfox's side of the agreement about the RVS, but not the part about him defending Swiss. I also couldn't really see how Ryker's side had any merit. He accused Mcfox of defending Swiss, but I really didn't see any of that until Mcfox's post before mine. Note this quote from the same post:

Ryker, at what point does McFox defend Swiss before you made the post calling him out on that? Also, Ryker, doesn't it make sense that people wouldn't feel pressured by votes thatare just random?

I didn't see Mcfox defend Swiss before that post. When I did see it though, I called him out on it (mainly because I was meta-gaming a bit, though).

Also let's look at #130 Specifically these quotes:

I'm definitly going to have to agree with this. I don't like it when other players retrot accustions that were aimmed at other players. It does look scummy, and it doesn't really help pressure anyone.

That said, I do think that Swiss has been defending himself quite alright.

So you want McFox lynched first? I don't think that is a good idea at all. If you really think that Swiss and Mcfox are scum buddies, then why not try to get a lynch on Swiss first?

I think you misunderstood me a lot here. I was bugged that Ryker would go after Mcfox first rather then Swiss. I was trying to look at this from Ryker's perspective. I thought that if Ryker truly thought Swiss and McFox are scummates, then it would make more sense, if he was town, to try to get a less experienced player lynched first rather then an IC. The idea is that if Swiss was scum, then it would give us a good lead against Mcfox the following Day, while not sacrificing one of our ICs on Day 1 to find out.

I find #99 and #130 connecting. There is this circular logic that looks contradictory to me:

Dancer's take on Mcfox:

1. I'm taking Mcfox's side
2. Mcfox has defended Swiss, which I definitely agree looks scummy
3. I think lynching Mcfox is a bad idea

I already explained why #1 doesn't contradict #2. In the post that I said lynching Mcfox was bad, I meant that it would be bad to lynch him over Swiss if we were going to lynch one of them. Remember, I was trying to think from Ryker's perspective in that post. Which is why I placed a vote on Ryker, because I thought he was trying to get rid of one the other ICs early.

I was making a case against Ryker, not stating my opinion.

Dancer's take on Swiss:

1. I think Swiss has been defending himself quite alright
2. It would be better to get him lynched over Mcfox

#1: In that post, I stated how I believe that people should defend themselves, and then stated that I thought Swiss was defending himself, so we shouldn't worry about him not doing so. I was at first talking about game theory and then I jumped to this actual game. Sorry if I didn't clarify that enough.

(Note: At the time, I still didn't think it was okay to defend Swiss, I was just saying that I didn't really feel that Swiss wasn't defending himself.)

Can you see where your thoughts are looping? Sometimes stances like these are called wishy washy, cloudy, foggy, any word that alludes to these thoughts being unclear.

I hope that I clarified all misconceptions.

with that said could you give an elaboration on how you're currently viewing these 2 players? and if Swiss' defences are 'quite alright', what do you make of Ryker pursuing Swiss in the manner that he did?

I feel that his intentions were good, his method flawed, and his success mixed. I don't really think that he had to be as aggressive and even somewhat mean as he did. Doing so can create bad feelings, and lead people to emotional thinking. On top of that, his case took up a lot of time. In the end, though, it definitely got us out of the of the RVS. I don't think that it really created many leads, though, as it did help clear some people.

Did not like this post at all. dancer says that stepping in for someone else is inherently scummy, and then goes on to talk about what a great player I am.

See above, there I explain why I said what I said.

I'm still waiting for SwordDancer to reply to my questions.

You shall have it now.

Right now, i'd like the newbies to give their 5 cents on who they think is scum.

Hard to say. Just a couple hours ago I would say that Ryker was the scummiest, but now I don't really know. A lot of people I feel haven't really been contributing that much, but I can't really blame them, since it seemed all attention was focused on Mcfox, Ryker, and Swiss.

I guess the scummiest I can find so far is still Ryker, just because I think that he could of went about making his case better. Also, I still don't get why he went after Mcfox first.

I'm also a bit weary of PSI. I don't think he has really contributed, and seems to be "activitly lurking".

Mcfox, there is some more things that you said that I would like to address, but I want people to be able to absorb this much first.

 

[vanderzant]

@Vanz (because it's quicker to type =p) - You've done a 360 on Mcfox, what was about his justification and the way he's responding to ryker now that makes you think he's not the play today? how is he playing differently from when you first 'suspected' him? Also who else you finding suspicious?

As soon as McFox explained why he posted the way he did in Post 87, I understood the intent of the way he posted earlier. I didn't try to pursue it any further because 1. I was mostly satisfied by his explanation, 2. He was targeting Ryker (which seemed to take up most of the thread) and I wanted to see where it lead to, and 3. No one seemed to share my views apart from Ryker (who I thought was very suspicious at this stage).

McFox's playstyle has remained largely the same, except that I tend to agree with basically all of the sentiments and viewpoints he puts forth.

For example, a short while ago I voiced my opinion and concern about mislynching Ryker, and this general idea was shared later by McFox in Post 159 when he explained that he didn't believe Ryker was scum.

So yeah, I like alot of what McFox has brought to discussion thus far, so I definitely don't think he is the play today.

In terms of other player that I find suspicious, hidajiremi is top of the list. I got a vibe from this post that he was just making excuses for lurkers/new players. To me, this is very anti town play. Again, I have to give him the benefit of being a new player (as I did with Swiss) so I'm not going to pursue this further until he responds.

Also, now that it's public, I would like for the new players to weigh in on what I was doing. Do you agree with what I did? If no, do you at least feel it gave me some concrete(ish) results? If still no, what would you have done differently? Whether you agree with what I did or not, what conclusions have you drawn about me, Ryker, and Swiss at this point?

McFox: See above with regards to my opinion from you. I don't know how concrete your results that you found are, but I like the way you went about finding them.

Ryker: I believe he was trying to get the ball rolling with the quick bandwagon/pressure on Swiss, which was questionable at the time but was actually Pro-Town in hindsight. I don't like how he kept pursuing Swiss/McFox to the death (I think he could of made his judgement much earlier).

Swiss: Defended himself quite reasonably and I respect that.

 

[vanderzant]

I'd also like to ask both Katefi and Ryker for their opinions with on McFox's explanation about why he defended Swiss. As a new player, I think an IC could almost feed any explanation to me, and I'd believe it for the most part. Is defending another player for the purpose of gaining evidence a common strategy/play in mafia, or at least a valid one? Is there a chance that McFox "acted first and created an explanation later?"

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I'd also like to ask both Katefi and Ryker for their opinions with on McFox's explanation about why he defended Swiss. As a new player, I think an IC could almost feed any explanation to me, and I'd believe it for the most part. Is defending another player for the purpose of gaining evidence a common strategy/play in mafia, or at least a valid one? Is there a chance that McFox "acted first and created an explanation later?"

No,... but neither was what I was doing. If McFox had read SSBB mafia it would've been painfully easy to pick up on what I was doing and then respond to it. If he hadn't, he could still figure it out. He's not cleared by any means, but I'm willing to shoot for someone contributing less. If he is scum, he'll be vocal and slip up later.

 

[xxFrohawkxx]

@Broken

Thanks for answering my role questions.

My status on everyone

Ryker:for most of the reading I had to do I thought you just had your head up your butt trying to fish for a case. I didn't think you were scum just seriously pushing it. I did find your "Pro tip" a little bit on the side just trying to help you!

Vanz: Usually observed and but his two cents in. >.< I really have nothing to say because you haven't said anything of interest to me.

Swiss: Seems you were under pressure and stayed cool even when McFox was doing his "Double read" on You and Ryker.

McFox: You were supposedly "Double reading" Swiss and Ryker with no results apparently since you believe they are both town

Dancer: One of your post seemed to have the "well doing x isn't that bad as doing y" This kinda thinking makes it seem like you would kill anyone for your faction to win Town or Mafia. If you were scum I would think you would have at least worded it better.

As for me what do you think Do you guys think? Do I look like a bad guy or what I kinda don't know but i just wanna be clean on everyone's book.

 

[vanderzant]

@Frohawk: I don't think I've heard enough from you to judge much. I think that's your FIRST post in 2 days. I'd love to here your take on a few things. Try answering the questions Katefi proposed. Most of your posts don't seem to contribute much.

Rocketpsience are you going to believe a "Villainous IC"

Why even wagon right now? we have about 9 days to vote. And I think i know who's going to crack first.

*cough*Mcfox*cough* sorry throat problems.

VOTE: Mcfox The way you don't help seems kinda weird and your pretty evasive.

mayling droped a long time ago nice try though.

Well I have some questions.

What if the town doctor is NK'd does that mean his patient survieves?

Does the cult leader already have a cult buddy?

Isn't the Town Miller just a powered up VT since you don't know your even a miller?

If a doctor protects a Macho cop and he's wrong does this mean that Macho is dead?

That's basically everything you've said starting from page 2 (in 40 posts per page mode). Give some more opinions on stuff.

 

[McFox]

McFox: You were supposedly "Double reading" Swiss and Ryker with no results apparently since you believe they are both town

"Town" is the second-most useful result behind "scum." Saying I got no results is missing point entirely.

 

[Swiss]

The_Guide and VitaminC; can you give your opinions on this game, and ask some questions. I have no questions to ask you yet, as you haven't posted enough for me to really question anything.

@ Dancer - Your post above seems reasonable to me.

@ Hida - What do you think of the accusation by Vander?

@ Frohawk - See Vander's most recent post .

 

[hidajiremi]

@ Hida - What do you think of the accusation by Vander?

I actually think that Vander's suspicions are reasonable. As a new player, I tend to edge more toward the side of caution, and sometimes that comes off as being an apologist. His worry that I'm just making excuses for lurkers is kind of true. I do feel strongly about not pressuring people in their early games and letting them slowly wade into the thick of things. I think that's a valid play choice, and only more experience in the realms of forum mafia will help me decide if I'm right about that or not. I'm not offended by his suspicions in the least--at least, as long as he's not acting on them while there are other, far more valid targets to consider instead.


Hida Jiremi

 

[rPSIvysaur]

*rage* Everytime I tried to post for the last two days, I got 502'd/SWF is down... will do another read through...

 

[vanderzant]

@Hida: Good response, I'm glad to see you stuck by your claim. As a new player I can sort of relate to where you're coming from. Just remember that it should be in every players interest to be as active/investigative as possible. Key word being should.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

Unvote; Vote: Hidajiremi
Scum actions are scummy.

 

[McFox]

I'm going to be V/LA (Vacation/Limited Access) until April 19th. I'm taking a surprise trip down to Louisiana from NY to go visit my family for my mom's birthday. I feel comfortable leaving my vote on Sworddancer until then.

 

[Kataefi]

hmmm
vote: mcfox

I'm finding the outcome of mcfox's actions are too 'covered'. Swiss flipping town credits mcfox the attempt to defend him. Should swiss flip scum, backtrack post #159 is a pre-counter to the whole 'but you did defend him' argument and makes mcfox look all shiny and clever should swiss flip town regardless - when ryker did come clean as to his actions regarding swiss, mcfox arrives with a post twice as big so all justifications are loud and proud. It's too much of a coincidence and Mcfox looked set to be covered by all angles in the swiss/ryker/mcfox love triangle:- so in a sense I do think mcfox was adaptive for possible scum reasons.

#159 acknowledges too much so that Swiss/Ryker are town in the same vein that ryker tunnelled:- points based entirely on conjecture and the hypothetical: 'Swiss never said this, so therefore he is town' etc etc... this just isn't a strong basis. I'm implying that mcfox is too sure of their alignments based on shaky analysis so it's almost as if he knows what they are already, and how can he be sure they are as such if he wasn't scum? =D

and curiously...

Me muscling in on Ryker's case puts him off-balance. If he's scum, he wouldn't really care if his case against Swiss didn't go through, because he'll be happy with any lynch that isn't scum. However, as a townie, Ryker grew increasingly frustrated and determined to see his case through to the end, despite my doing my best to meddle with it.

...how does ryker's switch in vote from swiss to you, despite wanting to his case on swiss to the end, apply to this analysis of him being town?

 

[Kataefi]

wow mcfox good timing!

 

[SwordsRbroken]

Posting to avoid prod.

I keep getting 502'ed/swf is down.

I don't know what to think of dancer right now.

Dancer, who is scum? And please, if your prime suspicion is ryker, focus on someone else. i don't want the day to be wasted tunneling on ryker.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I'm going to be V/LA (Vacation/Limited Access) until April 19th. I'm taking a surprise trip down to Louisiana from NY to go visit my family for my mom's birthday. I feel comfortable leaving my vote on Sworddancer until then.

Quick! Surprise lynch while he is gone!

@Kat - Honestly, I simply don't think that you, me, him, or Swords could, with a straight face, say that answering someone else's case is a pro-town move here. Don't get me wrong, it scores zero town points, but he hasn't done anything else, which is the worst part. I would use what you've said to expound on another case.

That being said, we don't have anything to expound on this early, so we may have to make do.

Vote: VitaminC or McFox is the play toDay.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

This post is just to avoid a prod in case crashboards goes down again. Post with substance coming up next.

 

[Kataefi]

o god sorry for the tarzan speak guys - the post before my last sounds like it's from another planet. I'm trying to type fast to avoid those pesky 502s

Hi hida jiremi...

there are other, far more valid targets to consider instead.

could you let me know who these far more valid targets are?

ryker I agree but i'm not finding anything worth pursuing that's outside of you/swiss/mcfox right now. I'll do a reread. I still think interfering, defending, then actually doing a 180 for the sake of finding (poor) 'results' is nothing short of a scummy attempt at acting the people's champion.

 

[Swiss]

*rage* Everytime I tried to post for the last two days, I got 502'd/SWF is down... will do another read through...

So he posts:

Unvote; Vote: Hidajiremi
Scum actions are scummy.

I agree with this opinion:

I'm also a bit weary of PSI. I don't think he has really contributed, and seems to be "activitly lurking".

He posted those two posts AFTER Dancer said this. Doesn't make pro town sense to me.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Mcfox might still see this in the future, so I'll post it now.

Also, now that it's public, I would like for the new players to weigh in on what I was doing. Do you agree with what I did? If no, do you at least feel it gave me some concrete(ish) results? If still no, what would you have done differently? Whether you agree with what I did or not, what conclusions have you drawn about me, Ryker, and Swiss at this point?

If that is what you were really doing, then I'll have to say that I don't really agree with what you were doing. Reason being that I don't really feel you could say that the results would of turn out like they would.

For example, how do you know, if Ryker was scum, that he would of changed cases? I mean you can say that that is what would of likely happened, but you can't really know for sure. Also, I really disagree with what you said about Swiss. I don't think at all what Swiss did neccassarly is a "town only" move. Since scum can communicate with anyone at any given time, I would think that one of his buddies (assuming he were scum) would tell him that not defending himself would come off badly. Even if one of his buddies didn't tell him, I'll think he'll still defend himself, as he seems smart enough to know that not defending himself would be scummy.


Btw, I'm not saying that I think Swiss is scum because he defended himself, just to clarify that now. I'm just saying that I don't think Swiss defending himself, even if someone jumped in for him, is something that only a townie would do.

@Broken: I kinda all ready told you who seems scummy to me, PSI and Ryker. But I guess I'll try provide my insight onto the other players a bit more if that is what you want.

McFox: What Kat brought up about Mcfox was definitely interesting, and I really wish McFox was here to respond to it. I don't really like how Mcfox defended Swiss, but I also don't think that Mcfox would be good for toDay's lynch. I think there are other candidates out there that would be better for the lynch so far. Like PSI, or even a lurker. Speaking of lurkers. . .

Lurkers: There have been a lot of lurkers this game, including The_Guide, xxFrohawkxx, VitaminC, and to a lesser extent, hidajiremi. Lurkers bug me immensely, as I don't like the thought of them just sitting back while the town self destructs among itself. Since this is a newbie game, it is entirely possible that all of the scum don't know that lurking is a scumtell. I'm not saying all lurkers are scum, but I'm willing to bet that at least one them are scum who is trying to hide.

But there is a problem with going after lurkers, there are more of them than scum. I'm going to have to do reread before I can pinpoint one lurker that comes off particularly scummy to me.

Anyways, PSI seems as scummy as Ryker at this point the more I think about. He has been posting a lot more than some others, but they all seem unhelpful. He hasn't really payed to much attention to the game, so. . .

vote PSI

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

While I'm at it, I might as well add that I'm going to absent on the 17th, 23rd, and 24th. I have two tournaments on the 17th and 24th (the latter being hosted by me!) and my prom on the 23rd (kinda bumps up with my tournament lol).

 

[rPSIvysaur]

Oh, I'm definitely not lying back. I'm really trying to get everyone to talk so they can be read easier later in the game, which is much more helpful to town, because day 1 will always be basically a random vote.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

Posting a post by post at this point is silly b/c their is nearly nothing to base them off of.
It's generally not a good idea at this point IMO

 

[Swiss]

Considering what has just been said, and all that rPSI does is to explain that he isn't lying back, but doesn't actually DO anything to help town, answer questions, make points or question people...in two posts.

FoS rPSI

 

[vanderzant]

After looking back through the thread, I have to agree that rPSI looks very suspicious.

Oh, I'm definitely not lying back. I'm really trying to get everyone to talk so they can be read easier later in the game, which is much more helpful to town, because day 1 will always be basically a random vote.

Wrong. Day 1 does not have to be a random vote. We've already learnt a ton about how different players interact and react to different situations. I get a vibe from you that is such:

"Well it's Day 1 so it's a random vote anyway so there's no point in acting upon anything meaningful. We can't actually use this info until later in the game"

You're aren't really doing much except for asking other players questions and hoping they will slip (without giving any substance in your posts).

Posting a post by post at this point is silly b/c their is nearly nothing to base them off of.
It's generally not a good idea at this point IMO

How does a post-by-post analysis differ in any way from people answering your questions. In both ways, they are talking, and I'd argue the former is more useful (you see there stance on players, situation, etc) as it is easier to fluff/lie about a small issue, rather than the ENTIRE game thus far.

Too much contradiction and too little contribution for my likening.

Unvote

Vote: rPSI

 

[rPSIvysaur]

Wrong. Day 1 does not have to be a random vote. We've already learnt a ton about how different players interact and react to different situations. I get a vibe from you that is such:

And how is a vibe not random and show who's really scum when different playstyles give different vibes?

"Well it's Day 1 so it's a random vote anyway so there's no point in acting upon anything meaningful. We can't actually use this info until later in the game"

That is not at all my stance. Day 1 is not a random vote for the sake of random voting, it is a random vote because there is no true way to determine who is scum and who isn't. We only have "vibe's" to base this off of and a little bit of playstyle with it. Of course on Day 1 the people that do more lurking and really active ones are going to seem suspicious.

You're aren't really doing much except for asking other players questions and hoping they will slip (without giving any substance in your posts).

Not a slip. Something to base their playstyle off of, Day 1 is truly for setting the game up, get things running. No one is auto-scum on day one.

How does a post-by-post analysis differ in any way from people answering your questions. In both ways, they are talking, and I'd argue the former is more useful (you see there stance on players, situation, etc) as it is easier to fluff/lie about a small issue, rather than the ENTIRE game thus far.

A post-by-post analysis shows town why you think someone is scum, asking questions generates conversation which then begins the process of scumhunting.

 

[xxFrohawkxx]

Can't really post right now my schedule is kinda busy 15th is my 15th b-day and the rest of the week is kinda a celebration of that.

Every time i tried to post it goes to 502 bad gateway for the rest of the day.

This post is only for a non prod, Sorry guys.

 

[vanderzant]

I'm trying to write this on my iPod Touch so excuse me if I screw up the quotes

And how is a vibe not random and show who's really scum when different playstyles give different vibes?

I think I was unclear in explaining this, so I'll rephrase it a bit

My take on you: "you're barely contributing/not posting enough substance"

Your excuse for this: "it's day 1, everything is random so It's pointless to post much substance.

I'm not the only person who has noticed this either.

That is not at all my stance. Day 1 is not a random vote for the sake of random voting, it is a random vote because there is no true way to determine who is scum and who isn't. We only have "vibe's" to base this off of and a little bit of playstyle with it. Of course on Day 1 the people that do more lurking and really active ones are going to seem suspicious.

Well the only vibe I'm getting from you is "posts alot with no substance" so you're already suspicious to me.

Not a slip. Something to base their playstyle off of, Day 1 is truly for setting the game up, get things running. No one is auto-scum on day one.

Again, contribute some more so I can guage your playstyle.

A post-by-post analysis shows town why you think someone is scum, asking questions generates conversation which then begins the process of scumhunting.

Both have value so both can be used.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

VitaminC, where are youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu?

Also, VC, what do you think of lynching McFox today? Good idea or bad? Why?

Iunno about rPSI. I liked him for wagoning early and trying to generate something. He and Swords are the two players who really should know what I was doing because they were in SSBB Mafia where I did the same thing. I even breadcrumbed it with the Unvote, Revote thing. That means he was one of two players who I really wasn't paying much attention to. I'll have to reread.

At this point though, I want to tell you something rPSI. I REALLY don't like how you phrased your analysis of Day 1 in general. Every lynch has a margin for error. A cop claim could be insane or the target could be a miller (the latter is the only possible in this game if the mod hasn't lied). Day 1 you're going to gather everything you can and scumhunt. It's very possible to find scum on Day 1.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

EBWOP: Ninja'd. A post-by-post analysis can be useful, but it can also be distracting. See my fluff case on Swiss. Be careful to see if they're twisting words. If you go back with a post-by-post analysis in mind, you're going back with a suspect and are going to automatically take things in a negative light that may not be that way.

 

[SwordsRbroken]

I know ryker, that's why i'm not suspicious of you. Also, SSBB mafia was a game that i hosted, just FYI to all you newbies.

rPSI seems to be a good candidate for a lynch IMO. He called me out on saying maybe, and then he did it a few posts later when talking about ryker. Now he's just not contributing, he's not even trying to bring anything to the plate.