Newbie Mafia 6 - OVER! Who lived happily ever after in Newbie Land?!

[#HBC | Ryker]

Rereading later in between my classes and I'll see if I can build a case. Till then my vote can sit where it is.

 

[Xiivi]

Deadline has been set for April 19th, 2010 11:59AM EST.

It's takes 7/12 to lynch!

Day 1 Vote Count 4:​

hidajiremi: RocketPSIence (

)
Kataefi: (0)
McFox: xxFrohawkxx, Kataefi (

)
RocketPSIence: SwordsRbroken, Sworddancer., vanderzant (

)
Ryker: hidajiremi (

)
Swiss: (0)
Sworddancer.: McFox (

)
SwordsRbroken: (0)
The_Guide: (0)
vanderzant: (0)
VitaminC: The_Guide, Ryker (

)
xxFrohawkxx: (0)
Not Voting: Swiss, VitaminC (

)

The_Guide & VitaminC have been prodded.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

@Ryker, I definitely don't rely on night actions, but they generally send out motives and that's something that gives information.

I remember in a /dr/ mafia game I was watching, a person responded "T.T" to the NK and turned out being mafia.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

BTW, you guys think I'm not seriously contributing when people are up for there second prods. LOL

 

[Swiss]

Vote: rPSI

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

btw, You Guys Think I'm Not Seriously Contributing When People Are Up For There Second Prods. Lol

Thisthisthisthisthis!!!!!

 

[Swiss]

BTW, you guys think I'm not seriously contributing when people are up for there second prods. LOL

But, you aren't seriously contributing, in fact you barely are at all.

I voted for you as even after I explained why I FoS'd you, you did exactly the same again. Please say why I shouldn't vote for you or explain opinions on people.

Also, what are we going to do about these inactive people? I mean, it's literally impossible to judge them.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

****ING 502!
Here's the tl;dr of what I was going to say.

Haven't reread, so vote stays on VitaminC.

@Swiss - You lynch lurkers because you can't possibly judge them. If the town is soft on lurkers, you'll have a weak end game team and scum can lurk to victory as town kills each other off. Why would you want to leave someone alive who you couldn't possibly judge?

 

[Swiss]

@ Ryker - That makes sense, so if we can't agree on someone being scummy, we can just pick a lurker and lynch 'em...or should we prefer to lynch a lurker over someone who may be scummy?

I suppose it depends on the strength of our convictions...

Query - "tl;dr"?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Longer and more in depth explanation of the advantages of lynching lurkers and why I park my vote there when I have nowhere better to go.

 

[SwordsRbroken]

Thing is, lurking is a big scum tactic. But also, people who are town may lurk for no apparent reason. Lynching lurkers is sometimes a good idea, but not always. It would be a good idea to get rid of some early on though.

So yeah, VitaminC and/or the guide can go if no one wants to lynch rPSI.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

Thing is, lurking is a big scum tactic. But also, people who are town may lurk for no apparent reason. Lynching lurkers is sometimes a good idea, but not always. It would be a good idea to get rid of some early on though.

So yeah, VitaminC and/or the guide can go if no one wants to lynch rPSI.

So in your opinion, who is more detrimental to town? Me or Vitamin C?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

So in your opinion, who is more detrimental to town? Me or Vitamin C?

Ewwwwwwwwwwwwww

This post is grimy.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

It was more of a "lol, I'm actually posting and he isn't tidbit", trying to make him realize, what Vitamin C has actually done.

 

[SwordsRbroken]

You're both useless and i still don't like that contradiction in your post. Vitamin C is lurking hardcore which is also suspicious. So really, either of you can go.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

It's really funny that you're still hung up on me trying to get you to talk more.

Day 1 you either post fluff, or you post very little. Apparently, you're only ok with fluff being posted Day 1. I'm just being down to the point. Vitamin C is not posting.

Unvote; Vote: Vitamin C
S'up boi

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

It was more of a "lol, I'm actually posting and he isn't tidbit", trying to make him realize, what Vitamin C has actually done.

Looked more like an anyone but me post, imo.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

Oh, sorry if it came across that way. My most recent post really sums up what it's really supposed to mean. BTW, can I have a more clear explanation about an anyone but me post?

 

[hidajiremi]

Bad Gateway errors are highly annoying. I don't have time for a detailed post right now, but I want people to know I'm still here. Hopefully will have time to post something tonight.

Hida Jiremi

 

[vanderzant]

Day 1 you either post fluff, or you post very little. Apparently, you're only ok with fluff being posted Day 1. I'm just being down to the point. Vitamin C is not posting.

rPSI, since you don't want to respond to what I wrote earlier, I'll just ask you a simple question.

If we lynch Vitamin C and he flips town, and nobody comes forward with any results the following day, how are we any closer to finding scum then we were on Day 1?

I mean, the only thing we have against VC is that he doesn't post. So it's not like we're going to be able to pick scum from town depending on who voted against him, etc.

But I'd definitely have to agree that I'd rather lynch a lurker than someone who is contributing.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

How are we going to find scum after Day 1 you ask? You get legitimate reads. Having an entire Day 1 and the majority of Day 2 can get you more than just vibes, it can get you serious scum reads.

I didn't really deem your post necessary to respond to because it's just generating fluff. I really dislike fluff, it slows down the game and makes it easier for scum to slip in because during a read through, you start to miss stuff if your reading 15thousand pages of material that's entirely fluff.

 

[vanderzant]

I find it quite contradictory that you so readily jumped on and supported ryker's fluff case on Swiss, yet when other players make a similar (and arguably more legitamate) case on yourself, you straight away dismiss it because it's fluff. To me that is a weak excuse for not defending yourself.

 

[Kataefi]

vanz would you say rpsi is a lurker?

 

[vanderzant]

vanz would you say rpsi is a lurker?

I'd class him as an active lurker. Posts very regularly with little to no substance. It's probably not as bad as a straight lurker, but it's not that much better either.

 

[Kataefi]

Active lurker is quite nicely put vanz - I was going to point out you're onto Psi's case when you'd 'rather lynch a lurker', and by lurker I thought you meant one similar to vitamin.

what are you making of psi's stances? his votes? etc...

unvote
vote: VitaminC for his amazing contribution of 2 ingenious posts!

mcfoxxy can wait!

no more vitamins for this thread thank you very much (though I could do with some)

dude you must speak up a little more! - same for others who have less posts than the game mod himself --> if you click this thread's corresponding number in the replies column (just outside this thread) you can see the number of posts every player has made.

for example:- cello in l4scum - scum won by someone who had lurked entirely through and through, so it's always a possibility a lurker could be scum and it was the fault of the town for not dealing with this earlier.
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also vanz I believe if we lynch a townie lurker and no significant results are found in the night after, there's still plenty to look into - the night kill, the players on the lynchee's wagon, those that weren't on it, the [lack of] reasons why people hopped on wagons etc etc... we can gauge the situation a little better by looking into things like these as well.

 

[Swiss]

I still think rPSI has been dodgy, but now I've seen your reasoning, I suppose I'd prefer to lynch someone that doesn't post, as opposed to someone that posts fluff.

Also if the guide is scum, surely he'll start posting to avoid being lynched soon after, ingenious!

We have days left so I'll keep my vote on rPSI for now, but I'll remove it and put it on vitmain if he starts helping.

 

[SwordsRbroken]

Vitamin C, post please. You have barely posted at all.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I find it quite contradictory that you so readily jumped on and supported ryker's fluff case on Swiss, yet when other players make a similar (and arguably more legitamate) case on yourself, you straight away dismiss it because it's fluff. To me that is a weak excuse for not defending yourself.

And that's the reason I want to give him a pass.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

What do you mean by a pass?

 

[Xiivi]

Deadline has been set for April 19th, 2010 11:59AM EST.

It's takes 7/12 to lynch!

Day 1 Vote Count 5:​

hidajiremi: (0)
Kataefi: (0)
McFox: xxFrohawkxx (

)
RocketPSIence: SwordsRbroken, Sworddancer., vanderzant, Swiss (

)
Ryker: hidajiremi (

)
Swiss: (0)
Sworddancer.: McFox (

)
SwordsRbroken: (0)
The_Guide: (0)
vanderzant: (0)
VitaminC: The_Guide, Ryker, RocketPSIence, Kataefi (

)
xxFrohawkxx: (0)
Not Voting: VitaminC (

)

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

What do you mean by a pass?

I think that what he posted is a town tell at this point and would rather lynch VC for sure. I would like to give you a pass on this Day Phase and not worry about lynching you until I have more of a reason.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

That makes no sense to me. @_@

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I didn't really deem your post necessary to respond to because it's just generating fluff. I really dislike fluff, it slows down the game and makes it easier for scum to slip in because during a read through, you start to miss stuff if your reading 15thousand pages of material that's entirely fluff.

PSI if you dislike fluff so much than why do you not post much but that?

@VitaminC: Where are yooooooooooooooooou?

 

[rPSIvysaur]

Well by that definition, isn't everything fluff?

 

[vanderzant]

Active lurker is quite nicely put vanz - I was going to point out you're onto Psi's case when you'd 'rather lynch a lurker', and by lurker I thought you meant one similar to vitamin.

what are you making of psi's stances? his votes? etc....

In a perfect game, there shouldn't be any lurkers to the extent of VC/The_guide, and lurking could be a perfectly good scum tell, but as dancer (iirc) pointed out earlier we have more lurkers than scum. Saying that, I think we have a fairly bad chance of lynching a scum if we choose to just knock off lurkers each day.

Lynching a lurker Day 1 has as many benefits for Town, including a more active Town for the following days, but it makes it so much easier for scum to hide. Since day 1 is mostly fluff and vibes, it is far too easy for scum to participate to some extent and have no fear of being lynched if we just lynch the lurkers 1 by 1.

If VC flips town, everyone who was on his wagon early will claim "I lynched him because he posted twice." Then the next day we'll (theoretically) lynch another lurker and possibly be in a terrible position for the late game.

This is why lynching PSI could be a good option for the Town if enough people are suspicious of him. I think he is more likely (imo) to be mafia than any of the other lurkers.

also vanz I believe if we lynch a townie lurker and no significant results are found in the night after, there's still plenty to look into - the night kill, the players on the lynchee's wagon, those that weren't on it, the [lack of] reasons why people hopped on wagons etc etc... we can gauge the situation a little better by looking into things like these as well.

I know that, but from what I gather it is still "fluff" by what PSI was referring too. Seeing who were and who wasn't on the wagon isn't very concrete in terms of scum/town tells because our only reason for lynching VC is lurking.

 

[The_Guide]

Sorry about my inactivity. I kept getting swamped with 502's, so I just decided not to bother posting. I answered my prod by pm to Xivii yesterday around 5 PM, but was a little slow getting back into the game. Don't worry, I'm here now; if you don't get a post from me tonight, you'll get them tomorrow.

Also if the guide is scum, surely he'll start posting to avoid being lynched soon after, ingenious!

Yah, I can't deny that this seems suspicious. Not much I can do to disprove it, though, apart from staying active here on out.

 

[The_Guide]

Whoo, just did a re-read of the thread... I'll try to make some sense out of my hugeass notepad document tomorrow, and at least get my general thoughts of the game across, if not a full-blown case.

 

[xxFrohawkxx]

I can't really say anything new right now but here are my beliefs:

First Post of the games were some joke votes a lil chit-chat, then we gotten to a debate about RVS and RQS.

After that Ryker gives a fluffy case on swiss while Mcfox attempts his "double read" >.> really a bunch of sarcasm foul language and back-n-forth.

Right now we are between voting on which may be an "active scum" or a "lurker scum" both these seem a bit far fetch since we might be not successful of catching scum. Here are two extremes that might be happening.

EX.1 All scum are lurkers! Where all of the scum are lurking, which means all town are active leaving them to tear ourselves apart with them doing minimal to no effort!

Ex.2 All the lurkers are Town! Where all the scum are active, and if they can focus on lurkers ripping their inactive ***** to pieces.

Keep in mind we all know that this shouldn't be the case since lurking is a bit Anti-town and everyone should know that.

As for Vitiman C or rPSI it seems we kinda have a bit of this scenario.

I feel that some of us wants to get rid of Viti because he is inactive which can "benefit town" even he's scum or not.

I find this kinda dumb because if he rolling town that means we have an early lost and that person could have been helpful later.

I know this could be helpful by having a more active town and weed out scum like that.

rPSI is getting votes because he seems suspicious. I don't really want to because the average life of PSI on Dgames is less than one day. ( As far as I can see since NM5)

If everyone is getting suspicious of him It could be the way he is playing the game. Like he's trying to help but can't seem to get his ideas expressed right.

But if he is gonna post pillowy fluffy post that just get in the way. It benefits town so they can get to the roots of the problem than dealing with stuff around it.

I'll Post more when I can.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Way to completely and totally avoid taking a stance.

 

[The_Guide]

With that latest post, I'm gonna have to Vote: Frohawk

Seriously, you just summarized everything that happened in the game; you didn't bring any new information to the table.

Also, this post:

@Broken

Thanks for answering my role questions.

My status on everyone

Ryker:for most of the reading I had to do I thought you just had your head up your butt trying to fish for a case. I didn't think you were scum just seriously pushing it. I did find your "Pro tip" a little bit on the side just trying to help you!

Vanz: Usually observed and but his two cents in. >.< I really have nothing to say because you haven't said anything of interest to me.

Swiss: Seems you were under pressure and stayed cool even when McFox was doing his "Double read" on You and Ryker.

McFox: You were supposedly "Double reading" Swiss and Ryker with no results apparently since you believe they are both town

Dancer: One of your post seemed to have the "well doing x isn't that bad as doing y" This kinda thinking makes it seem like you would kill anyone for your faction to win Town or Mafia. If you were scum I would think you would have at least worded it better.

As for me what do you think Do you guys think? Do I look like a bad guy or what I kinda don't know but i just wanna be clean on everyone's book.

Here, you completely neglect to say who you think is scum (if you wanted to, you could argue that you did it for Dancer, but even then, you were really wishy-washy about it.). As far as I can tell, you haven't brought any new, relevant information to this game. I'd even have to say that you're actively lurking.

So, with that said, who do you think are the scum, Frohawk?