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Newbie Mafia 5 - Game Over! Who lives happily ever after in Newbieland?!

Xiivi

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Deadline has been extended to March 20, 2010 11:59PM EST.

It's takes 7/12 to lynch!

Day 1 Vote Count 9:

Clownbot: (0)
Frown: Tom, Super Smash Bros. Fan (:grrr: :grrr:)
guus: (0)
Mayling: (0)
McFox: (0)
RocketPSlence: McFox, Frown, guus (:grrr: :grrr: :grrr:)
KevinM: (0)
Super Smash Bros. Fan: (0)
Sworddancer.: (0)
Tom: (0)
soaring-raptor-blast: (0)
Kirbyoshi: soaring-raptor-blast, KevinM (:grrr: :grrr:)
Not Voting: Clownbot, Kirbyoshi, Mayling, RocketPSlence, Sworddancer. (:grrr: :grrr: :grrr: :grrr: :grrr:)

Tom is being forcibly replaced. If a replacement is not found in 24 hours he will be modkilled. (Modkills end the day only if the player being modkilled is town-aligned. Modkills do not end the game otherwise.)
 
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I think we seriously need to get an discussion going. We have to think of something.
 

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Having a lynch happen today is pretty required. We need a majority of the votes. I suggest everyone states why they are voting for the person they are voting for at the moment.
I'll start.
I'm voting RocketPSIence because he skimmed a lot of the thread. He didn't answer a lot of the questions untill they were asked several times (or kept being brought up again). Only answered when he was directly spoken to and didn't really participate in discussion until it began to revolve around him.
 
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@Guus: Good idea.

My vote currently remains with Frown because his lurking habit has been worse then RocketPSIence, who has at least show some form of activity. His posts also isn't the best.

Sure he has Internet problems, but once he gets them working, he should use the oppertunity to make a post here.
 

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Assuming a replacement is not found in time, what happens if a lynch is made before Tom is mod killed, but still no replacement is found within 24 hours? Does he still get mod killed? If so, then we really should consider making a lynch within 24 hours.
 

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Why are you criticizing people for not voting him when you don't even have your vote on him?
 

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EBWOP:

When I said "we should really consider making a lynch within 24 hours" I wasn't suggesting that we should lynch someone within 24 hours, I was suggesting that we think about it some more (that's if Tom is still going to be mod killed, even if we do lynch someone), since Guus said that a lynch today was almost required.
 

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Deadline has been extended to March 20, 2010 11:59PM EST.

It's takes 7/12 to lynch!

Day 1 Vote Count 10:

Clownbot: (0)
Frown: xxFrohawkxx, Super Smash Bros. Fan (:grrr: :grrr:)
guus: (0)
Mayling: (0)
McFox: (0)
RocketPSlence: McFox, Frown, guus (:grrr: :grrr: :grrr:)
KevinM: (0)
Super Smash Bros. Fan: (0)
Sworddancer.: (0)
xxFrohawkxx: (0)
soaring-raptor-blast: (0)
Kirbyoshi: soaring-raptor-blast, KevinM (:grrr: :grrr:)
Not Voting: Clownbot, Kirbyoshi, Mayling, RocketPSlence, Sworddancer. (:grrr: :grrr: :grrr: :grrr: :grrr:)

xxFrohawkxx replaces Tom.
 
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Let's hope Frohawkxx can add something to the converstation. I'm starting to lose interest in it and I seriously don't want to drop out of here because I know I might need this game in the future.
 

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Frohawk, you play Mafia before? I've lurked dGames a bit before actually playing and haven't seen you around.

@Mod: Raptor never voted for Kirbyo
 
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@xxFrohawkxx: A good suggestion is to read all of the posts. Therefore, it can help you decide who is scum and who is town.
 

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EBWODP:

>.> It seems clownbot is going off free because of his activity.I don't know about the rest fo you guys but he just seems like a bit of a con?

VOTE: CLOWNBOT
 
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@xxFrohawkxx: I haven't really seen anything suspicious about Clownbot.
 

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Well smash fan We are kinda in the random vote state so there really isn't a way to find proof for anyone...I was reading this post we only have one and a half days left.

What would be a good idea is look at the votes at This moment and see the consistencies,

Rator and KevinM are both together in voting in raptor : they may be partners, masons at that!

Mcfox,Frown,Guss all voted for PSI >.> and kept getting suspicion on themselves and disproving it making them off the hook. I got HoS to those cats.
 
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@xxFrohawkxx: Actually, we've been out of the Random Voting Stage for a very long time.
 
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@xxFrohawkxx:

I've already placed my vote on Frown, mainly due to his lack of activity and not contributing much. Some of his posts aren't really that good.

RocketPSIence and KevinM are my FoS's (Finger of Susipcion's) right now.
 

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Quite frankly we must have a 7/12 vote right? What happens if we all don't vote in time?

Another thing is can someone explain other roles, ie: werewolves, monks, masons,?
 

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Here's how the guy you replaced explained it:

No. There are no independents.

There are three factions: town, mafia, werewolves.

There are 8 townies.
There are 2 mafiosi who know each other and can communicate. They have a nightkill.
There are 2 werewolves who know each other and can communicate. They have a nightkill.

Among these three factions,
There are 2 monks who know each other not to be werewolves and can communicate.
There are 2 masons who know each other not to be mafiosi and can communicate.

So take one mason, and let's say he is a townie mason. He knows that his mason partner is not in the mafia, but his mason partner might still be a werewolf.

See?

So the masons become fully clear when all werewolves are dead, and the monks become fully clear when all the mafia are dead.
Also, make sure to read the rules in the first post. If we do not receive the 7/12 we need on someone before the time limit is up, we don't lynch anyone and go to night.

SSBF said:
Let's hope Frohawkxx can add something to the converstation. I'm starting to lose interest in it and I seriously don't want to drop out of here because I know I might need this game in the future.
If you feel this way, why did you choose to EXTEND the Day you were not interested in? Everybody continuing to say that they are uninterested in the Day does nothing but make other people disinterested too.

Know the best way to make an unproductive Day end? By lynching someone.
 

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so I'm rereading and I dont think I want to make a case on anyone at the moment since I'm going to end up bandwagoning to avoid a no lynch anyway. I dislike rocketPSIence more now that i've read through again, but I honestly don't care much who we lynch toDay. there are a few people I would prefer to NOT lynch but I think we could be a lot more productive if someone would just die so we can get some proof of alignment. I think the deadline extension on day 1 was a bad idea. I would rather have it later down the road when there are more important decisions to be made.
 

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Good Point, I say we just vote for a good morning lynch!

Really i suggest frown! As we are all kinda wanna just end this day as quickly possible

UNVOTE Vote Frown

^_^ now lets get this game rolling
 
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@Frown: If you want me to suspect everyone, look at Post #242. I do a lot of analysis there.

@McFox: It's because I wanted to give new players a chance and it would give us a greater chance of lynching someone. You disagreed with the Deadline Extension and you've only choose to vote for one because of a greater chance of lynching someone.
 

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so I'm rereading and I dont think I want to make a case on anyone at the moment since I'm going to end up bandwagoning to avoid a no lynch anyway. I dislike rocketPSIence more now that i've read through again, but I honestly don't care much who we lynch toDay. there are a few people I would prefer to NOT lynch but I think we could be a lot more productive if someone would just die so we can get some proof of alignment. I think the deadline extension on day 1 was a bad idea. I would rather have it later down the road when there are more important decisions to be made.
Who would you say are the people you would rather not lynch?
 

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Don't answer that. That just gives mafia a list of people they should kill because the town already trusts them. Mafia stays alive by getting the town to kill our own. This means that they have to kill the people we aren't going to.

@SSBF - We had plenty of time pre-deadline to lynch someone. But everyone instead chose to complain that they didn't know what to say and that the Day was uninteresting to them; so instead of just taking some action, we ended up floundering at the last second (a common motif in SWF mafia games).
 

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Well, I think McFox or xxFroHawkxx should be the play toDay. I do feel there's a connection between the two; probably one of the scum teams.

First, let's look at the early interactions between Tom and McFox:

vote: Wizzerd
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Vote: Tom. Don't think you're safe just because you're an IC.
Arguably, this joke vote is part of the RVS. However, I feel it sets up the mild buddying/connection between McFox/Tom, as follows in these posts:

Also, Tom I'm really glad you explained that in detail.[/b]
Big part of the problem.

That was a classic Appeal to Emotion. "Aw come on, I'm just a poor old noob who doesn't know what to do sadface. "
So this just seems like he's picking and choosing what he wants to attack.

And Kev, we're trying to facilitate new players here. I know that's your usual strategy, but at least give Guus something he can refute, talk against, etc., or something. May can fend for herself. :p
Ignores it completely, could be skimming, another scumtell. (Skimming is a scumtell because scum don't have to pay as much attention to the thread as townies. Since they already know who they are, as long as they don't see someone pushing for their lynch, it isn't AS important for them to pay attention the to thread. I'm generalizing here, and there are times where townies skim too, but overall scum tends to skim more than town, since they already have the information that the town is searching for.)
I disagree that skimming = scum. I do think skimming = antitown. The argument for skimming = scum here is that scum already know who scum are and thus do not have to pay as much attention to the thread as others. HOWEVER, in this setup, scum can still actively scumhunt for the other team in order to get GG (good guy) points. So why would scum necessarily skim in this setup?

Also, scum has to read the thread just as thoroughly as anyone else in this game... maybe even more so, because they have to fabricate evidence against others.



Skimming. He answered SSBF's query to him because it had "@RocketPSIence" at the front of the post, yet skipped entirely over mine, even though it was clearly aimed right at him. He'd know this if he had read my post, but he didn't because I didn't have his name in it, so it didn't jump out to him.
Because he's still skimming. I've already pointed out why skimming is scummy.
McFox becomes a broken record, all the meanwhile pushing for Rocket's lynch.

Disagree with the deadline extension, but if it's that or no lynch, then
I still don't understand why McFox would cosign the deadline extension if he didn't agree with it, other than to avoid the potential to look different than everyone else.

If you feel this way, why did you choose to EXTEND the Day you were not interested in? Everybody continuing to say that they are uninterested in the Day does nothing but make other people disinterested too.

Know the best way to make an unproductive Day end? By lynching someone.
Aren't you semi-guilty of this?

Now to look at xxFrohawkxx's posts, which really sealed the deal that I thought McFox and Tom/xxFrohawkxx were connected.

EBWODP:

>.> It seems clownbot is going off free because of his activity.I don't know about the rest fo you guys but he just seems like a bit of a con?

VOTE: CLOWNBOT
First of all, coming into the thread and suggesting we lynch the most vocal player seems highly dangerous. Clownbot has been helpful, contributing, and keen on his contributions, but Frohawk suggests we take him out. This is troublesome for a couple reasons 1) the more contributing a player is the more likely town will be able to find conflictions in their arguments endgame. 2) he fails to mention why he seems like a con, just rather that he's going off free for his activity. 3) mainly the thought of lynching such a highly active player is very threatening because it allows the scum to a) coast, and also b) allows the scum to blend in with the inactive.

Well smash fan We are kinda in the random vote state so there really isn't a way to find proof for anyone...I was reading this post we only have one and a half days left.

What would be a good idea is look at the votes at This moment and see the consistencies,

Rator and KevinM are both together in voting in raptor : they may be partners, masons at that!

Mcfox,Frown,Guss all voted for PSI >.> and kept getting suspicion on themselves and disproving it making them off the hook. I got HoS to those cats.
This post seems pretty anti-town to me.

Why would he mention Raptor and KevinM were masons?

his reasonings for his FoSs is really bad.

Good Point, I say we just vote for a good morning lynch!

Really i suggest frown! As we are all kinda wanna just end this day as quickly possible

UNVOTE Vote Frown

^_^ now lets get this game rolling
quickly rushes into a "quick lynch" thought.

why would you vote frown? what happened to your other suspicions? You suspected McFox, why not him? you suspected McFox for voting along with Frown. Why do you not mention that?

Well i read it over again.......its seems Rocket has his back against the wall.
And besides even if he isn't one of the bad guys We still got a 7:4 ratio.
Again, seems anti-town. Looking towards the "ratio" if he ISN'T a bad guy. But we should be trying to get the bad guy no matter what.

EBYODP:

DARnit >.< laptops make it hard to post!

UNVOTE vote: Rocket
Now he aligns his vote along with McFox's... no reasoning.

Soooo... McFox or FroHawk toDay guys?

unvote, vote xxFroHawkxx


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And May, I'm 6'1". ;)
I still get hot.
 

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EBWOP:

Good Point, I say we just vote for a good morning lynch!

Really i suggest frown! As we are all kinda wanna just end this day as quickly possible

UNVOTE Vote Frown

^_^ now lets get this game rolling
Rocket has a better case on him besides "lurking." He's had actual scumtells.
Well i read it over again.......its seems Rocket has his back against the wall.
And besides even if he isn't one of the bad guys We still got a 7:4 ratio.
EBYODP:

DARnit >.< laptops make it hard to post!

UNVOTE vote: Rocket

Sorry, I was mistaken that FroHawk changed his vote for no reason. But again, all it took was the prodding of McFox of "Rocket has a better case on him" to change his vote.

Really?
 

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I disagree that skimming = scum. I do think skimming = antitown. The argument for skimming = scum here is that scum already know who scum are and thus do not have to pay as much attention to the thread as others. HOWEVER, in this setup, scum can still actively scumhunt for the other team in order to get GG (good guy) points. So why would scum necessarily skim in this setup?

Also, scum has to read the thread just as thoroughly as anyone else in this game... maybe even more so, because they have to fabricate evidence against others.
^that point
 

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@ Mayling
Yeah really....Well i have been playing catch-up for a while so i kinda wanted the day to end so we can have an equal playing field, well a fresh start really.

I find your Post quite helpful to find my inconsistencies ^_^ which i have to improve for higher game.

Well i can't be mad for you voting for me, and I'm not going to retaliate. Your post are helpful and your contributing to the finding of snakes in the grass. It would be nice to see me being scrutinized helps find the bad men.

As for anything else I still wonder who everyone else is voting for.
 

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Yeah even if it was to fix vB code or whatever raptor, you aren't allowed to edit posts.

Now on to Mayling (the following are out of order):

1) The reason I cosigned the deadline extension is because deadline was coming up in less than 24 hours from then. It didn't look like people were going with Rocket, and the only other viable lynch on the table was Frown for lurking, but he didn't have many votes either. It was either extend the deadline or No Lynch. I went with later deadline.

2) You're an IC, so you know that in SWF mafia, the lynch is 95% of the time decided within the last 48 hours in a Day. I've actively worked against this in the last few games I've played (attempting to secure a lynch more in advance of that) to absolutely no avail. Just once, I wanted it to work out. That's why I've been pushing Rocket's case.

3) I agree that Frohawk's reasoning has been lacking so far.

4) If I were working with Frohawk and could communicate with him outside of the game, I would've just told him to vote with me before he even posted the first time, I wouldn't have waited for him to go with someone who I disagree that we should lynch, and then post once in the topic telling him to switch over to my candidate.

5) I actually was glad Tom explained the setup in detail, because I hadn't understood it fully.

6) I don't see how me asking Kev to give Guus something he can refute VERSUS me tearing down bad arguments are related.

7) I wouldn't say I'm guilty of actively complaining about the game and not taking action. I've had my vote on Rocket for a while now, and have actively tried to push town towards his lynch, or to come up with something better. So far, nobody has. But if we hadn't extended the deadline, we would've No Lynched.

Rocket said:
Alright then, let me rephrase it.
Who seems townie to you?
Why do you ask this question? Especially considering it's asking for the same information I just explained would be bad to divulge? You really aren't helping me to consider voting other people when you continue to pull scummy moves like this.

Lingling said:
I still get hot.
 

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4) If I were working with Frohawk and could communicate with him outside of the game, I would've just told him to vote with me before he even posted the first time, I wouldn't have waited for him to go with someone who I disagree that we should lynch, and then post once in the topic telling him to switch over to my candidate.
a) wifom

b) that would have been interfering with his "natural" playstyle and may have outcomed in a newbie that seemed tutored/schooled. I think you would be smart enough to let the lamb play by himself a bit.

what do you think of Frohawk actively refuting to argue against my points?

Why do you ask this question? Especially considering it's asking for the same information I just explained would be bad to divulge? You really aren't helping me to consider voting other people when you continue to pull scummy moves like this.
McFox, why do you get onto Rocket for asking who is townie to someone, but didn't say anything when Super Smash Bros Fan created his list? It is essentially, in the end, providing the same information.
 
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@Mayling: I'll answer the question for McFox.

McFox didn't post much around the time I made those list of quotes to other people, yourself included. That could be why. Also, it might be because he could compare me to well ChibiCat when he made those massive quotings in Smash Bros. Mafia. Give his quote posts there a read when you have the time, they're very good.
 
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