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Newbie Mafia 5 - Game Over! Who lives happily ever after in Newbieland?!

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Disagree with the deadline extension, but if it's that or no lynch, then

Request Deadline Extension

I really don't see how a longer D1 will benefit us at all. Everyone's been complaining about how slowly this game has been moving, mostly due to the fact that we have nothing concrete to go off of, and so nobody feels confident about anything. The "scummiest" players are the ones who haven't posted anything? That's convenient (yes, lurking can be scummy, but with four scum in this game, that means at least two of them are indeed posting and hiding among us). Kirbyoshi did a readthrough and didn't exactly bring much to the table. Not really sure why anyone's expecting the other guy to do any different.
 
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As promised, I would be looking through evidences. Since I've never done this before, I'm going to be doing a similar method to what ChibiCat is doing.

Basically, if you make a good post, you get one point. If you make a scummy post, you lose one point. This can go into negatives. If you have no points, you are neutral. If your overall score is in the + range, you are an townie. If your overall score is in the - range, you are a scum. The one with the lowest overall point receives my vote. I'll be doing this from member to member, so it won't go in chronlogical order. Also because I think it'll be an more organized way of doing this:

Clownbot

Post #50
Clownbot said:
Everyone who isn't a monk or mason will probably just claim Vanilla Townie, so...

I like the idea of this discussion as a means to get us out of RVS, though. (That's what we're trying to do, right? :p)

Unvote
Post #51
Clownbot said:
Also, wouldn't people who claim monk/mason have a better chance of being night killed?
Those are very good logic and ideas there.

+1 Clownbot

Post #63
Clownbot said:
We have time, Wiz. Forcing a lynch without much to go on isn't a very good idea in forum Mafia, even on D1 information can be gathered to get a viable lynch candidate.
I actually do agree with you on this.

+1 Clownbot

Post #114
Clownbot said:
Also, right now there are only, like, three people who are confirmed Town as far as I care. Some of us should really post more.
This. I was guilty of this until my computer got working again.

1+ Clownbot

Post #178
Clownbot said:
Thinking that anyone with their vote on Wiz should Unvote. Give whoever replaces him some time to catch up and contribute, Wizzerd probably wasn't the play toDay anyway.
This was an very good idea you proposed. We can't let the new players get lynched just because a susipicous player drops less then twenty-four hour before a lynch.

+1 Clownbot.

RocketPSIence

Post #19
RocketPSIence said:
Clown, what do you hope to accomplish on the first day by immediately voting for someone?
That was during the Random Voting Stage, so you can't really blame him. If you were in his shoes, I wouldn't be surprise if you did the same thing as well.

-1 RocketPSIence

Post #46
RocketPSIence said:
So after the random voting stage, what do we do?
Uh, actually attempt to find some evidences? Wasn't that obvious?

-1 RocketPSIence

Post #52
RocketPSIence said:
Yeah, forcing people to give up their roles seems scummy to me.
Just what I was thinking.

+1 RocketPSIence

Post #122
RocketPSIence said:
I really think that having to just make an obligatory post in 48 hours is generally in bad taste.

FOS: Wizzerd
Really good logic there.

+1 RocketPSIence

Post #145
RocketPSIence said:
@Kevin, I really haven't had much time in the past few days. I have very little stuff in there right now b/c my life is hectic. I'm working on a longer post right now with my thoughts in it.
Then where is the big post you were talking about?

-1 RocketPSIence

Post #188
RocketPSIence said:
It's because I don't really know what kind of questions to ask >.>
Then think of something.

-1 RocketPSIence

Post #237
RocketPSIence said:
2) Guus calling me out was simply a band wagon vote and then him going "oh well, I get this feeling about RocketPSIence." I've also was demonstrating how easy it was for someone to come up with something on someone to start a case. WHICH NO ONE SEEMS TO WANT TO DO. Instead tunneling in on me seems like a good idea. WHICH IS WHAT FORCED TO ME TO REVEAL MY POSITION AS A POWER ROLE IN THE LAST GAME.
All that yelling was totally unecessary. Also, where in the Smash Bros. Mafia game did you reveil your role? I've read through the entire thread and I could not find anything regarding you reveiling your role.

-2 RocketPSIence

Post #239
RocketPSIence said:
I'd also like to state, that I got royally screwed by the fact that the scum characters switched out to possibly avoid suspicion.
That could be an good reason and it is understandable.

+1 RocketPSIence

Frown

Post #39
Frown said:
Vote: Frown

Because I MIGHT BE THE TRICKSTER!
You just made yourself look like an idiot.

-1 Frown.

Post #79
Frown said:
Guys... small number of posts ≠ likely mafia. Just telling.
Actually, it can help raise susipicons, so your logic is flawed.

-1 Frown.

guus

Post #57
guus said:
A roleclaim on day one. Wow that's a pretty desperate attempt to get out of RVS. What could you possibly gain with claiming roles? Do you expect mafia/werewolves to claim that they are? They will just claim Vanilla townie ._.
I agree. Roleclaiming should only be used as a last resort to save themself.

+1 Guus

Post #132
guus said:
I don't have any real leads, so I'm going to vote the person off that hasn't added information, and most likely won't later in the game. It makes no sense to keep him around and instead lynch a pretty active player which COULD be scum, only supported by a little bit of evidence and mostly metagaming. I don't mean to lynch a player who will give no information at all after his lynch.
At this rate, lots of information has been added, so you might as well find a good lead now.

-1 Guus

Post #152
guus said:
Townies can still play very anti-town, he adds no info at all either. That's really what I want to see as a lynch the first day. Scum can't be dumb enough to be clear to lynch already.
That is true and I can't argue with that.

+1 Guus

Post #155
guus said:
I can't tell who is scummy and who's not, just pure speculation.
You should be able to find some informations now. There are over 200 posts worth of information to look at.

-1 Guus

Post #205
guus said:
"11) If a majority has not been reached, then No Lynch is forced as the lynch target."

I want a lynch to happen, so Unvote, Vote RocketPSIence"
Try not to follow bandwagons when we're out of the Random Voting Stages. Trust me, you don't want to be the center of attention when you poorly make important decisions.

-1 Guus

Sworddancer.

Post #72
Sworddancer. said:
I'm sorry, Frown, but not posting seems to me like you're trying to lay low. I know I'm making an inference based on little evidence, but as of now it's the most evidence that I have for telling who's scum.
Very good, people who tend not to post are likely scums. Therefore, they should be eliminated first, according to guus.

+1 Sworddancer.

Post #104
Sworddancer. said:
Guys, the way to find evidence is by posting a lot and pressuring people when they look suspicious. When someone doesn't post, it makes them look suspicious. Thus I'm putting pressure on said people who look suspicious to me to see if I can get any leads.
That is an very good idea there. I'll consider using it in the next Mafia game I'm joining (Not including the other one I'm in)

+1 Sworddancer.

Nothing KevinM said really interested me, but he was acting a bit goofy, which makes me a little susipicous of him.

-1 KevinM

No research will be done on Tom due to his absent.

Nothing really particularly interest me of McFox, but he has made some solid posts in this thread.

+1 McFox

Mayling

Post #133
Mayling said:
I did a reread to try and see what I could find. It took us too long and struggled to get out of RVS, which hurt us. Though, I want to warn everyone that we have somewhere around 36 hours to get a lynch.
All I can say is that I'm glad we're out of the RVS stage. At least we have cold hard evidence to prove now.

In case the deadline hasn't gone through, let's hope this will finish off Day 1.

+1 Mayling

Some points I want to make:
Clownbot and Sworddancer. (Yes, the username does have a period) have been extremely helpful and beneficial to this case.
RocketPSIence had a bad beginning, an decent middle, and a poor ending.
Frown is useless.
guss was mixed until a little slip at the end.

As of now:
Clownbot: 4
RocketPSIence: -3
Frown: -2
Guus: -1
Sworddancer.: 2
KevinM: -1
Tom: 0
McFox: 1
Mayling: 1

Unvote

I Vote: RocketPSIence for lynch.

However, FOS: Frown, KevinM, and guss.

Basically my thoughts for now.
 

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Deadline has been extended to March 20, 2010 11:59PM EST.

It's takes 7/12 to lynch!

Day 1 Vote Count 8:

Clownbot: (0)
Frown: Tom (:grrr:)
guus: (0)
Mayling: (0)
McFox: (0)
RocketPSlence: McFox, KevinM, Frown, guus, Kirbyoshi, Super Smash Bros. Fan (:grrr: :grrr: :grrr: :grrr: :grrr: :grrr:)
KevinM: (0)
Super Smash Bros. Fan: (0)
Sworddancer.: (0)
Tom: (0)
soaring-raptor-blast: (0)
Kirbyoshi: soaring-raptor-blast (:grrr:)
Not Voting: Clownbot, Mayling, RocketPSlence, Sworddancer. (:grrr: :grrr: :grrr: :grrr:)
 

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Disagree with the deadline extension, but if it's that or no lynch, then

Request Deadline Extension

I really don't see how a longer D1 will benefit us at all. Everyone's been complaining about how slowly this game has been moving, mostly due to the fact that we have nothing concrete to go off of, and so nobody feels confident about anything. The "scummiest" players are the ones who haven't posted anything? That's convenient (yes, lurking can be scummy, but with four scum in this game, that means at least two of them are indeed posting and hiding among us). Kirbyoshi did a readthrough and didn't exactly bring much to the table. Not really sure why anyone's expecting the other guy to do any different.

If you disagree why did you request it? Were you afraid of standing out?
 

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Rocket's at L-1 now, so
Unvote Rocket

@Bro Diddly: Do you have anything to say about Wiz/me or TWILT/Raptor?
 
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@Kirbyoshi: Not really, I'm going to wait a few post of you and Raptor comes in. Then I'll observe your posts.

Don't worry, I am not leaving the Newbie thread.
 

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McFox, what are you talking about? I totally didn't hammer. My vote isn't even on anyone right now. >_>
 

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2) Guus calling me out was simply a band wagon vote and then him going "oh well, I get this feeling about RocketPSIence." I've also was demonstrating how easy it was for someone to come up with something on someone to start a case. WHICH NO ONE SEEMS TO WANT TO DO. Instead tunneling in on me seems like a good idea. WHICH IS WHAT FORCED TO ME TO REVEAL MY POSITION AS A POWER ROLE IN THE LAST GAME.
Can someone explain to me the case on Rocket? I look over his posts and all I see is someone a little lost on the game.
I see someone skimming, evading questions untill they are asked three times, only replies to things directed at him and someone trying to get town to make a move while staying on the side-lines a bit.
So I was joining a little bandwagon and had no particular reasons to vote, yet you had nothing to say about this?
 

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All that yelling was totally unecessary. Also, where in the Smash Bros. Mafia game did you reveil your role? I've read through the entire thread and I could not find anything regarding you reveiling your role.

-2 RocketPSIence
It was in /dr/. Kevin should vouch for me.
 

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So I was joining a little bandwagon and had no particular reasons to vote, yet you had nothing to say about this?
I had already stated that I was skimming b/c I hadn't had much time. There is little else to say.
 

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hello all ^__^

so sorry I don't have much to add. the one thing I notice (also a HUGE pet peeve) is that a good number of the players here are playing the "noob card" like crazy. you can only use "I'm new and have no idea what I'm doing" as an excuse so many times.

it's really hard to distinguish who is genuinely scum since most defenses seem to consist of "I'm too busy IRL" or "yeah I'm new, get over it"


that said, I have noticed that sword dancer is extremely agreeable and is obvious scum. I may pull quotes later but i need to go to bed right now @__@

I don't know about rocketPSIence. not feeling strong either way, but if it comes to him or no lynch then I certainly don't mind voting for him.

expect a list or something later. sorry I haven't brought much to the table yet, but I promise to be more active than my predecessor.
 

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Well it's not really Tom's fault, his computer is wonked (from what I understand), but still, given your single post, I'm looking forward to more input from you. I'd also be very interested in seeing you go more in-depth with Swords.

And about the (non)hammer, I read that at work and just saw it as saying what I wanted it to say. =/ Oh well. Hope we don't need that extension later!
 

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raptor said:
a good number of the players here are playing the "noob card" like crazy.
This is a Newbie game. Most of the players here ARE noobs. It's a legit excuse for everyone except the ICs.

raptor said:
I have noticed that sword dancer is extremely agreeable and is obvious scum.
I, too, look forward to you expounding on this. I don't know that I have ever seen agreeableness used as a primary scumtell.
 
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@KevinM: How is "Nice way to bail out one of your scum buddies btw." a legit excuse for voting Kirbyoshi? Explain.
 

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He thinks one of my scumbuddies are one of the newbies saying they are a newbie. I don't really get how it's scummy either, but I understood what he thought was scummy about it.
 

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Kevin, what do you think the chances are that an actual newbie playing the noob card is lying about it?
 

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I would actually say its rather high.

We know their newbies so they wouldn't have to play the card unless the legitimately slipped up on something they shouldn't.

The only people I could see doing that would be scum.

Hence my voting you for giving them an out.
 

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So if a townie newbie also slips up on their wording in defending themselves, and gets lynched, it's ok?
 
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KevinM seems to carry a "Win at all cost" behavior and playing down newbies like me. Sounds a little scummy to me:

Big FoS: KevinM
 

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I don't see why you would think I'm scum, so I'm going have to wait until you expend on this farther before I can respond to your accusation.
 

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2 things.

1) What Kirbyo said does not make him suspicious.

2) What Kevin said does not warrant even an FoS.

And reeeeeally interested on hearing raptor expand on what he has to say. At the risk of sounding like I'm buddying, SD
(imma just call u that from now on)
is one of the least suspicious people to me so far.
 

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I wouldn't say Sworddancer. is one of the least suspicious so far, but he's not the top either. I'll have to reread to get a vibe from anyone at this point -_-.
 
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Frown really hasn't said anything since yesterday and RocketPSIence looks a little less scummy, so..

Unvote
Vote: Frown
 
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@Mayling: The question is more like this:

Would I be in favor of lynching someone who has been relatively active but scummy, or someone who has been lurking and looks scummy as well?

Most likely the latter, which is why I changed my vote from RocketPSIence to Frown.

But it's not really set in stone, so yeah, I really don't know who to vote for.
 

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He felt like the biggest lurker was the biggest suspect, by means of the lurker being as or more suspicious than the biggest suspect.
 
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