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Newbie Mafia 5 - Game Over! Who lives happily ever after in Newbieland?!

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Only contributing a small amount may not necessary make one look a lot like mafia, but it does increase the chances that one might be mafia in my eyes.

Frown, you and Twilt are both looking a bit guilty to me, right now I'm just trying to figure out which one of you looks guiltier.
 

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Swordd said:
I know I'm making an inference based on little evidence, but as of now it's the most evidence that I have for telling who's scum.
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Sorry dood = /
Guys, don't downplay or apologize for your votes. It kind of takes the "oomph" out of them, you know what I mean?

Clown said:
If I recall correctly he had a chance to answer McFox's question before anyone else (or at least most others) but he didn't take it.
This is interesting to me. I knew the activity was starting to drop off, which is why I posed that question in the first place. I figured it'd be an easy question to answer, it wasn't a trick or anything, as sometimes a massclaim on D1 is viable (here I don't actually think it is), and just wanted to gather opinions. There was sort of no wrong answer, is my point. The fact that he chose not to answer and has still not answered even a few days later is telling.

Unvote

Vote: TWILT
 

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Guys, don't downplay or apologize for your votes. It kind of takes the "oomph" out of them, you know what I mean?

Uh... sorry... wait, no... should I apologize for that? I'M SO CONFUSED!

This is interesting to me. I knew the activity was starting to drop off, which is why I posed that question in the first place. I figured it'd be an easy question to answer, it wasn't a trick or anything, as sometimes a massclaim on D1 is viable (here I don't actually think it is), and just wanted to gather opinions. There was sort of no wrong answer, is my point. The fact that he chose not to answer and has still not answered even a few days later is telling.
Well, keep in mind that Frown hasn't answered yet, either, but the fact that Twilt could of answered a lot earlier and didn't has convinced me.

Unvote vote TWILTHERO
 
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I really doubt Frown should automatically be called an mafia person right off the bat. He voting for himself was just for a joke and not really worth coming to an conclusion to.

Right now, my vote remains with Wizzerd, but I might change my vote later when more information is provided.
 

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SSBF said:
I really doubt Frown should automatically be called an mafia person right off the bat. He voting for himself was just for a joke and not really worth coming to an conclusion to.
True, but I would like to see him answer Mayling's question.

Kev, why Guus and May?
 

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Well that is a very legit reason, isn't it Kevin?
It's day 1, you have very little to go by, of course, but lynching someone because they make you QUEASY? My god, at least lynch someone useless, or give another reasoning as to why I make you feel queasy.

Unvote, I think you're silly enough to be town and vote for yourself :/
 

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Really, we should try to find actual proof and/or holes in people's stories before we toss out votes.
The problem with this way of thinking is that if mafia decides to coast, and we stick to finding proof and/or holes in peoples' stories (which the mafia does not have, since they are coasting), then we'll keep killing townies while they slide to victory for doing nothing. This happened in my first-ever game of mafia, where pretty much everyone went inactive, and the last mafia member literally stopped posting for the last few Days of the game. The townies kept killing each other off while the mafia member did nothing and just watched them self-destruct. If you want to see this for yourself, check out Left4Scum, in which Cello did this very thing.

Coasting can absolutely be a scumtell, and coasters should never be ignored.

And Kev, we're trying to facilitate new players here. I know that's your usual strategy, but at least give Guus something he can refute, talk against, etc., or something. May can fend for herself. :p
 

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l4s was your first game? or did I read that wrong?

and no, despite how awesome possum I am, I can't defend against "She makes me queasy."

otherwise... i find myself agreeing with everything mcfox said... >_> (wtf. you just wanna get married or something?)
 

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I'm sorry for "coasting", but my coasting is really rooted in my noobishness to the game - I can't think of anything thoughtful to add most of the time. =/ Nobody's really specifically accused me yet save for Super Smash Bros. Fan, but I just wanted to point this out.
 
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Since we're basically going nowhere with this game, how about we attempt to find evidence that a person should be lynched?
 
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By that I mean we should read over this entire thread again and maybe, just maybe we could find some evidence that could point towards a person.
 

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I worded that wrong. Coasting won the game for mafia in the first game I was in (called "Assassins in the Palace," hosted in the BRoom and thus not readable by anyone not in the BRoom), and in a somewhat related story, if you want to see how coasting can win the game for mafia, you can check it out by reading Left4Scum here in DGames.

Also, sure Mayling

Propose: Mayling

Hell, we already have an illegitimate child together (here's looking at you, McMaymays), might as well make it official.

SSBF, I was hoping one of the newer players would take the initiative to do exactly that, but I think people are so new that they aren't entirely sure how. So in an(other) attempt to get the ball rolling, I'll reread the thread and post my findings.

However! This only one way to play. For the other end of the spectrum, see KevinM's play.

I realize that might sound sarcastic over the internet, but I'm not being sarcastic at all. Kev's playstyle is highly effective, and he rarely takes the time to make long posts filled with detail. I point this out to say that you don't have to copy what I'm about to do here to be an effective player, nor do you have to go the other way and do what Kev's doing. Just find out what works for you and head in that direction.

Now then...

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Vote TWILTHERO

It's always TWILT.
Out of context, this sounds like you were in another game with TWILT where he was scum. If he was, did he win or lose the game? Has how TWILT has been acting in this game align with or is it different from how he played the last game? If you aren't sure, please reread TWILT's posts so far (there haven't been that many) and give me your impressions.

Now then, I put the following three posts in order. They are RocketPSIence's first three posts of the topic.

Rocket said:
Clown, what do you hope to accomplish on the first day by immediately voting for someone?
Why would you let an IC take it. I wanted you to defend your position, but you only linked me to a webpage.
Vote: Steel

You better not **** up as our ****ing ** you ****.
Wait wha? By saying "defend your position" you imply that you have a differing position. And yet in your very next post you vote steel for no reason (almost) immediately on D1. What changed between when you asked Clown why he did it and you doing the very same thing?

TWILT said:
Vote: Clownbot

Not much to go on, but he DID voted for me as soon as the game started..(Plus, i hate clowns).
Textbook OMGUS*, but I'm inclined to believe this is a n00btell rather than a scumtell for now.

*OMGUS - Oh My God U Suck = this is voting for someone just because they voted for you.

Guus said:
What could you possibly gain with claiming roles? Do you expect mafia/werewolves to claim that they are?
While like I said, a massclaim isn't actually good for this game right now, you seem to be implying here that a massclaim could never be beneficial, because scum won't claim that they're scum. But like Tom explained, if both werewolves are gone, and we do a massclaim then, then we will have two cleared townies which we know not to lynch (assuming our two monks haven't already died or whatever). Claiming can be beneficial in some cases.

Wizzerd said:
Unvote vote: Frown

Nothing really to go by so far, so I'm trying to help this end quickly... and to get my obligatory 48 hour post :$
Anti-town post. Doubly so. First, if nothing's going on, it's your job as town (if you are town) to make something happen. You have plenty of options; for instance, there's a list of names in the OP of this thread. Pick one at random (that isn't you, obviously) and start pushing a case on them. This will spur activity (at least on their part, and hopefully on the part of others) and help move the game forward.

On the other hand, if you are scum, you'd want Day phase to end quickly. Discussion and voting are town's best weapons, and shorter Days means less time to use those effectively.

Guus said:
My god, at least lynch someone useless,
Who would you categorize as "useless" right now?

Okay, so that was a short reread. I'm feeling Wizzerd, Rocket, and TWILT currently. TWILT for apparently checking the topic when an easy question was lobbed to the town and not even taking a swing at it. In fact, his only post following that question was

TWILT said:
Meh...my vote earlier was kind of a joke so...

Unvote
Ignores it completely, could be skimming, another scumtell. (Skimming is a scumtell because scum don't have to pay as much attention to the thread as townies. Since they already know who they are, as long as they don't see someone pushing for their lynch, it isn't AS important for them to pay attention the to thread. I'm generalizing here, and there are times where townies skim too, but overall scum tends to skim more than town, since they already have the information that the town is searching for.)

Wizzerd for making the most blatantly anti-town post of the game so far.

And Rocket for his using the same tactic he had immediately prior chastized Clown for using.

I'm leaving my vote on TWILT for now.

Also, Tom needs to post moar.
 

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The whole "vote TWILT" thing was just sort of an inside joke. Me, him and Wizzerd are all part of a community on SWF called Make Your Move. Sometimes we would play really quick, casual chat Mafia games where he would always be jokingly accused of being Mafia.

In reality, though, no, I've never been in a game where he was scum.
 

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Deadline has been set for March 16, 2010 11:59PM EST.

It's takes 7/12 to lynch!

Day 1 Vote Count 4:

Clownbot: (0)
Frown: Tom, Wizzerd (:grrr: :grrr:)
guus: (0)
Mayling: (0)
McFox: Mayling (:grrr:)
RocketPSlence: (0)
KevinM: RocketPSlence(:grrr:)
Super Smash Bros. Fan: KevinM (:grrr:)
Sworddancer.: (0)
Tom: (0)
TWILTHERO: Clownbot, McFox, Sworddancer. (:grrr: :grrr: :grrr:)
Wizzerd: Super Smash Bros. Fan (:grrr:)
Not Voting: Frown, TWILTHERO, guus (:grrr: :grrr: :grrr:)
 

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Guys, the way to find evidence is by posting a lot and pressuring people when they look suspicious. When someone doesn't post, it makes them look suspicious. Thus I'm putting pressure on said people who look suspicious to me to see if I can get any leads.

SSBF, I like your idea, as it seems like it might be able to create leads. I'm also glad that Mcfox is actually carrying out SSBF's idea. I'll contribute what I find as well.

Just remember, posting a lot will help us, not hurt us. We can't all just wait for evidence, because if you do that then it's obviously not going to come.
 
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I'd like to thank Sworddancer and Mcfox for supporting my idea. I'll also try to see what I can find and I'll post it here. First, however, I need to get some exercise, I need to start becoming healthier.
 

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Who would you categorize as "useless" right now?
I wouldn't call it useless, just not very informative. I'd say Frown, hasn't added a thing yet. Doesn't post often or tries. This brings me to vote on him again, now for real instead as a joke.

I'd love to hunt scum like you guys are trying, but I don't have any decent lead. On day one it's all speculation. Lynch/nightkill will give much more information for us to go at, which is why I would always try to get rid of the least informative player, so that later in the game we won't have to deal with it.

Vote: Frown
 
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So, correct me if i'm reading this wrong...but I'm being thrown with suspicion because I don't post a lot, lurk a lot and I didn't answer a question when I could have?

I'll be honest, and say I didn't even know what the question was (granted, probably my fault for not paying attention.) I'm still just a regular n00b at this game with and i don't post alot because A: I don't exactly know what to post (and i'm kinda on the shy side..) and B: I figure I'd see and watch what happens before posting/voting.

That said, Vote: Wizzerd. He hasn't exactly been posting a lot and he said he only posted because he wanted to "get the obligatory 48 hour post."

I'm probably going to get voted anyway, but eh...
 

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Keeping my vote on TWILT but I'd be more persuaded to change it if someone else came along... I can sort of sympathize with his situation because of my lackluster posting in Newbie 4 (where I was town) before I got a replacement, this is probably a similar situation to what's going on with him.

TWILT, Frown has the same number of votes as you and Wizzerd is just shortly behind now. Don't be so quick to think you're toDay's lynch.
 

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TWILT said:
I'll be honest, and say I didn't even know what the question was (granted, probably my fault for not paying attention.)
Big part of the problem.

That was a classic Appeal to Emotion. "Aw come on, I'm just a poor old noob who doesn't know what to do sadface. "
 

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Okay...

First post in the game was just RVS. Nothing special.

A roleclaim on day one. Wow that's a pretty desperate attempt to get out of RVS. What could you possibly gain with claiming roles? Do you expect mafia/werewolves to claim that they are? They will just claim Vanilla townie ._.
And then this. Well, there are some newbies who didn't even answer the question.... I don't quite see anything suspicious here.

Well that is a very legit reason, isn't it Kevin?
It's day 1, you have very little to go by, of course, but lynching someone because they make you QUEASY? My god, at least lynch someone useless, or give another reasoning as to why I make you feel queasy.

Unvote, I think you're silly enough to be town and vote for yourself :/
Here Guus calls you out on stating your suspicions, but he wasn't aware that apparently that's your "strategy." I've seen that strategy used before. First time I saw it I didn't really like it either. It was probably a misunderstanding.

I wouldn't call it useless, just not very informative. I'd say Frown, hasn't added a thing yet. Doesn't post often or tries. This brings me to vote on him again, now for real instead as a joke.

I'd love to hunt scum like you guys are trying, but I don't have any decent lead. On day one it's all speculation. Lynch/nightkill will give much more information for us to go at, which is why I would always try to get rid of the least informative player, so that later in the game we won't have to deal with it.

Vote: Frown
I'll admit this is somewhat suspicious. Guus, if you don't have a decent lead, make a decent lead. It was said at one point in the game that the answers aren't just going to come to you, you need to post to get your information. Ask questions, pressure suspicious people, etc. Also, we've got plenty of time before the deadline. Everyone who hasn't contributed has a chance to offer more.

Plus, I don't know about you guys, but I'd prefer lynching someone who's acting actively scummy over a Townie who isn't pulling their weight.

Over all, Guus isn't really looking too scummy to me right now. Is there something I missed, Kevin?
 

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Also, right now there are only, like, three people who are confirmed Town as far as I care. Some of us should really post more.
 

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Sorry I haven't posted much since yesterday, I didn't have access to a computer. I'm going to answer some questions in a bit after I do some work.
 

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Wait wha? By saying "defend your position" you imply that you have a differing position.
Obviously since he had voted for a person.

And yet in your very next post you vote steel for no reason (almost) immediately on D1. What changed between when you asked Clown why he did it and you doing the very same thing?
Well first I was informed about the RVS thing so I did make a vote, but I was hoping to get the ball rolling or something. :/

Okay, so that was a short reread. I'm feeling Wizzerd, Rocket, and TWILT currently.
And Rocket for his using the same tactic he had immediately prior chastized Clown for using.
It was a nub mistake of mine, but I just wanted to see some action go on.
 
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