Newbie Mafia 5 - Game Over! Who lives happily ever after in Newbieland?!

[Jim Morrison]

Wow at the ridiculously easy bandwagon on KevinM. If I were scum I could've just hammered him right there. Putting someone at L-1 is a very stupid thing to this early in the day ESPECIALLY if the case on him is posting one-liners and then he comes with a case and you can quickly take your hands off it.
So each scum faction has 2 players, so they want to jump on the wagon, but without being too obvious. I am 100% convinced that one of the Kevin voters is scum. SSBF looks just stupid for putting Kevin in such an icky situation. Clownbot gets a +1 town point for pointing it out and making it so he takes his vote off.
So we have SRB, Kirbyoshi and Sworddancer. I'm not really comfortable with Kirbyoshi, but because we don't have a decent (or any at all for that matter) case against him I guess voting him would be pointless. The same applies for Sworddancer, however I want this to change.

Sworddancer is coasting pretty effectively (at least toDay). He went for an easy vote on Kevin BECAUSE HE VOTED THE WRONG NAME. Wow how horrible, Twilt dropped out a day before the deadline. You talked about Fro and how he could not be mafia (still werewolves though), but you didn't vote for him because he was acting TOO SCUMMY TO BE TRUE. Really? After that, nothing really constructive came out of him toDay, just another post agreeing with SRB. I'll probably look at day 1 some time later.

People who I'm fine with lynching;
Sworddancer, Kirbyoshi, SRB, Frown.

I'm gonna keep my vote on Frown because he is obviously the worst and most uncaring player. This doesn't really seem mafia, but can hurt town soooo badly. He won't be nightkilled because lurkers are usually left for the endgame. Besides, he might still be scum and would get a free ride. Last game I played was won by scum because they were just riding to the end. It's time people start to understand that lurkers need to go first, unless you're CERTAIN you have found scum. I want to lynch Frown the most now.

 

[Frown]

I'd like to get replaced. Anyone?

 

[soaring-raptor-blast]

Wow at the ridiculously easy bandwagon on KevinM. If I were scum I could've just hammered him right there. Putting someone at L-1 is a very stupid thing to this early in the day ESPECIALLY if the case on him is posting one-liners and then he comes with a case and you can quickly take your hands off it.
So each scum faction has 2 players, so they want to jump on the wagon, but without being too obvious. I am 100% convinced that one of the Kevin voters is scum. SSBF looks just stupid for putting Kevin in such an icky situation. Clownbot gets a +1 town point for pointing it out and making it so he takes his vote off.

what scum hammers in this game? honestly? it's THE most blatant scumtell to the point where it's almost a cliche' that never actually happens. it would make more sense for a scum to come in and say "oh look an easy wagon! look at me not hammering! I'm SOOOOPER town!! :D " that way they live longer in the game. at least that's how it ALWAYS seems to go. if they came in and said, "yeah kevinM is scum!" then hammers with a week of discussion left, then I guarantee he'd be lynched right out of the gate on the next Day. so in my mind you and clownbot get a "-1" not a +

I think ssbf just slipped up as well but he WAS the one that put kevin at L-1. I doubt the rest of us were voting with the intention of a quicklynch. pressure is pressure is pressure.

 

[Jim Morrison]

I don't think I've ever seen a mafia hammer unless they were in endgame. Also, that's exactly why mafia votes on the person with the most votes, but BEFORE the hammer, having an innocent townie hammer him while they just "did what was the most obvious" by voting on him, yet not lynching him.
Of course, pressure is a nice excuse to vote on someone, but I would really like to see some more reasoning for a vote except than "his posts are vague" and "he voted the wrong player".

 

[Xiivi]

Deadline has been set for March 29, 2010 11:59PM EST.

It's takes 5/9 to lynch!

Day 2 Vote Count 3:​

Clownbot: (0)
Frown: guus ()
guus: (0)
KevinM: Sworddancer., Kirbyoshi ( )
Super Smash Bros. Fan: Clownbot ()
Sworddancer.: (0)
xxFrohawkxx: soaring-raptor-blast ()
soaring-raptor-blast: KevinM ()
Kirbyoshi: (0)

Not Voting: Frown, Super Smash Bros. Fan, xxFrohawkxx ( )

Frown will be modkilled in 24 hours if no replacement is found. If he is town-aligned this will in the day; otherwise the day will continue.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Unv ote

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I'm sorry that I haven't been active recently, I have a bad cold and was in bed most of the day yesterday. I still have the cold, but I'm feeling better now.

I didn't intend for people to bandwagon KevinM like they did. I voted for KevinM to put pressure on him. After all, that's how you find who's scum in this game. The fact that he was skimming was telling to me, and was the first lead I found of the Day. However, I think he has defended himself well enough.

Unvote

As for Hawk:

I'm am definitely suspicious of him, but at the same time I really do believe that the scumtells are just so numerous that it's almost hard to believe. I am almost completely sure he is not mafia, and if he were a werewolf, I would like to believe that his partner would tell him to back off with the scummy posts. But who knows, maybe his partner is someone who doesn't know much better than he does? I'll vote for hawk if at the end of this day we don't have any other good leads.

Also, Guus, what do you think about Hawk? You attacked me because you thought I wasn't being harsh enough on him (placing a vote on him) but you haven't really said anything about him yourself.

@SRB:

I noticed you didn't unvote. In swf mafia, if someone wants to change their vote then they have to first say unvote to get the vote off of whoever it was on and then once again they you can vote for someone.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Frohawk should be added to my list of fine-with-this-lynch. I wouldn't mind it, his posts are really odd. I don't even know why he's saying half the stuff he is. IMO, he's newscum, trying to be town-like.

 

[soaring-raptor-blast]

oopsy poopsy

Thanks sworddancer. I'm not used to that

UNVOTE VOTE: frohawk

all better.

 

[Deleted member]

I was about to change my vote to Frown, but he asked for an replacement (Here's to hoping his replacement actually does something useful). I'll have to read over Day 2 to see who should be the next lynch candidate.

 

[KevinM]

Going to read all this but I should point out on SWF mafia hammers are fairly common.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Then disregard what I said, this is my first mafia game on SWF.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Then disregard what I said, this is my first mafia game on SWF.

?

Why would you want him to disregard what you said, even if this is your first mafia game?

 

[Jim Morrison]

Because in the other mafia games I played (on another site) mafia would play much more careful and not hammer at all. Instead it were townies who were often lynched soon after.

 

[soaring-raptor-blast]

.... come on guys....

okay

@Guus, sworddancer, clownbot, kirbyoshi, and kevinM: who are your top three suspects (or top two, w/e you got) and why?

 

[Xiivi]

Day 2 Ends & Night 2 Begins!

Day 2 Vote Count 4:

Clownbot: (0)
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Frown: (0)
guus: (0)
KevinM: Kirbyoshi ()
Super Smash Bros. Fan: Clownbot ()
Sworddancer.: (0)
xxFrohawkxx: soaring-raptor-blast ()
soaring-raptor-blast: KevinM ()
Kirbyoshi: (0)

Not Voting: Frown, guus, Super Smash Bros. Fan, Sworddancer., xxFrohawkxx ( )

Frown, Town Monk, has been modkilled due to lack of activity, interest, and replacements. Because he was town-aligned, this ends the day. Please always try to respect other players by trying to remain active and interested, especially when it is late in the game and replacement selection is low. Apologies to all those playing the game.

It is now Night 2 and you may not post in this thread until Day 3. Please send all Night Actions to me by March 27, 2010 11:59AM EST.

 

[Xiivi]

Day 3 Begins & Night 2 Ends!

The group is shuffled again amongst each other, however they quickly find two cards have been discarded!

KevinM, Werewolf, has died a brutal death!
Soaring-Raptor-Blast, Town Monk , has died a brutal death!
Deadline has been set for April 2nd, 2010 11:59PM EST.

It's takes 4/6 to lynch!

Day 3 Vote Count 0:​

Clownbot: (0)
guus: (0)
Super Smash Bros. Fan: (0)
Sworddancer.: (0)
xxFrohawkxx: (0)
Kirbyoshi: (0)

Not Voting:Clownbot, guus, Super Smash Bros. Fan, Sworddancer., xxFrohawkxx, Kirbyoshi ( )

 

[soaring-raptor-blast]

gahh!!!!

avenge me town!!!! aven...ge...... me

*dies*

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Alright, I think I'll start toDay by answering srb's question. My top three suspicions is as follows:

Hawk: He has been playing a very anti-town game every since he has joined this game. We know that Hawk probably isn't mafia, but he could still be a werewolf. I reread through Day 2, and I couldn't find any link between Hawk and KevinM. However, I think that would only make sense, since I would think that two scum on the same side wouldn't want to be associated with one another. At no point does KevinM state suspicion for Hawk, despite his scummy posts, and the fact that Hawk wanted to stop the arguing between the KevinM and srb seems a bit odd. Why would he want that? Well, one answer could be that they were scum buddies.

Still though, I think it would of made sense if KevinM helped him out a bit more, I don't see why he would just let him act like the way he has been.

Kirbyoshi: Simply because I don't think Kirbyoshi has contributed that much to the discussion. When he joined the game he read through the game and came up with nothing. I don't feel he has contributed much since then, either. All I have ever seen him do is ask people questions (and not the pressuring type of question, either) and make "from my experience" posts. Sure, they can be helpful, but it doesn't really seem like he's actively trying to catch scum.

Guus/Fan/Clownbot: A three way tie, here, as I only find each one of these players a little scummy. Guus seemed very reluctant lay any suspicion on KevinM at all, and now we know he was scum after all. I can definitely understand his reasoning, but the fact that he didn't even want pressure put on KevinM seemed a little wierd.

Fan I suspect simply for putting KevinM on L-1. It may of been a slip up, sure, but you never know.

Clownbot simply because he hasn't posted since 3/23. We can't just let people start coasting, especially not this late in the game.

With all that said, I'll finish this post off with:

Vote FroHawk

 

[Jim Morrison]

Okay, this is what's left;
Kirbyoshi
Clownbot
Sworddancer.
Super Smash Bros. Fan
xxFroHawkxx
Guus

I know from myself that I'm town, so that leaves 5 players who I can find suspicious.
Sworddancer- makes a nice post right off the bat, so my suspicision towards him drops a bit.
Super Smash Bros. Fan- I'm missing something in his post, they don't stick with me. To me this means there's not any really useful information in it, just little pieces of information attempting to stimulate the discussion.
Clownbot- Where are you?
Frohawk- I definitly can see you being lynched, but you won't get my vote, mainly because I genuinely think you're just playing as dumb town who is on his own and doesn't know what to look out for.
Kirbyoshi- About the same as SSBF. I don't think I've really read anything that stuck with me from your posts, however you did make a certain amount of decent posts.

Yes, me not wanting to pressure Kevin seems a little odd, but I really believed there was no reason at all to go for him like that, other than him forgetting who's in the game on the second day . I guess we got lucky with this nightkill. So we have 2 masons, 1 werewolf, 1 mafia member and one vanilla townie. Now one of the monks could also be a werewolf so I don't think claiming masons now is a good idea yet. However, this is up to the masons. Basically, there's 3 town people left and 2 scum. If we lynch a townie, we're almost guaranteed screwed, unless scum would both kill each other. I suggest everyone takes this as the last day possible to win, so becareful with throwing around votes and TAKE AS LONG AS YOU CAN before actually lynching someone. We want this time to be used well.

With that said, I am not going to vote yet. If I were to vote, I'd go for Clownbot.

 

[Clownbot]

The last werewolf is either Sworddancer, Guus or Frohawk.

I'm town, Kevin pushed for what seems to me like a legit lynch (or at least had a legit case) against Kirbyoshi, and SSBF freaking put Kevin at L-1. Unless he's really gutsy I doubt he'd do that. That leaves you three.

More on that later, I'm pressed for time right now.

 

[Clownbot]

EBWOP: Unless he's really gutsy I doubt he'd do that if he were in alliance with Kev, is what I meant.

 

[Jim Morrison]

There's still mafiosi though.
And also, he wasn't pushing for Kirbyoshi, he wanted to get SRB lynched.

 

[Deleted member]

So Day 3 has offically begun. I might as well give out my opinion on who is scum and who could be town.

There are six people left in this game and there are two people who are scums and four townies. I'm not about to claim yet, because I don't want to waste the oppertunity now when I could use it later to save my butt. Six people incluiding me. Which means there are five people in this room left. Now for my opinion on these five people:

Sworddancer: Absolutely nothing wrong with him. His posts has been excellent and he has made some great posts that really has contributed to the discussion. I am pretty sure he is town and the most likely mason of the group.

Guus: Somewhat weirly of him. He has been relatively active, but a few of his posts has been questionable. I remember on Day 1 when I post an FoS on him. He has made some good posts thought, but he does come off as a little scummy overall. I wouldn't call him a Mafia member, but he could be an werewolf.

Clownbot: He also sounds like a town member to me. Despite his three-day absence that just happen, he has really been contributing to the discussion. Most likely a town, but a mason is streching it.

Kirbyoshi: He replaced Wizzerd due to his inactivity, which was a good thing. Unfortunently, I was relatively disappointed that he never really made a significant post and he has shown some forms of inactivity. I would say he's a likely werewolf and a possible mafia member.

Frohawk: He's doing absolutely horrible in this game. Almost all of his posts were scum-like and none were really too significant to consider as importance. It's nice to see him more active then the person he replaced, but that does not excuse the fact that he has barely contributed to the game at all. At least Kirbyoshi and Guus has contributed to the discussions. He is most likely the mafia member of the group.

Since there are one Werewolf and one Mafia, I'll place a Vote: xxFrohawkxx and FoS: Kirbyoshi.

 

[Deleted member]

Guys, look at the DG Social Thread. Kirbyoshi has confirmed that he will be V/LA until Sunday. Just saying.

 

[Clownbot]

@Guus: Yeah, on D2 he did. On D1 he voted Kirbyo for letting new players play the "newbie card." If the two of them are scumbuddies they did a pretty good job of making it look otherwise.

I'm looking at Frohawk most but if I vote him I'd be putting him at L-1. I'd like to hear from Kirbyoshi and listen to what Frohawk has to say for himself as well.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Fan, I'm curious. How are you determining rather or not some of these people are wolfs/mafia (assuming their scum)?

Why is it that you think if Guus is scummy then he's probably a werewolf but probably not mafia?

Why is Kirbyoshi more likely to be a wolf rather than mafia?

Why is Hawk more likely to be mafia?

For Kirbyoshi and Hawk I think you've got it in reverse. I think if those two are scummy then Kirbyoshi is more likely to be mafia and Hawk a wolf.

 

[Clownbot]

Hold on here why are we attacking Kevin right now?

He might come off as scummy but quite frankly a quick bandwagon isn't gonna make this game any easier.

...

It seems I could go for the quick lynch, or a better way to find scum. And I am not going to vote until we have some good "proof" against someone besides just bandwagoning.

Yeah, Hawk could very well be a Wolf as likely as Mafia if not moreso.

Do any of you guys think that the masons claiming would be beneficial at this point? Should we wait until the last werewolf is eliminated?

 

[Jim Morrison]

As I explained before, it's quite risky. If the masons claim and one of them is a werewolf, we trust that werewolf. I'd rather wait untill after the last werewolf has been found.

 

[Deleted member]

@Sworddancer.: Niice that you asked me about it.

Fan, I'm curious. How are you determining rather or not some of these people are wolfs/mafia (assuming their scum)?

Sounds difficult to answer, but I'll try.

During Day 1, I made a post that was basically massive-quoting other people and I made an tally score. From there, this helped me come to an conclusion faster. After that, I decided to play the game normally and scumhunt as much as possible, which explains my unecessary voting for KevinM.

To be honest, it's harder to do now given that most of the more susipicous people like KevinM and RocketPSIence have been killed off already, and I actually had to do an analogy of everyone instead of just people I suspected.

Why is it that you think if Guus is scummy then he's probably a werewolf but probably not mafia?

His relatively scummy posts seems to strike me a bit as a werewolf because none of his post were really outlanish, but they don't really help much.

Why is Kirbyoshi more likely to be a wolf rather than mafia?

He hasn't really been contributing as much as I liked him to do, and he is somewhat inactive. However, he hasn't made any posts that really strikes me as a likely Mafia member, because they were never truly outlanish and out of control. A werewolf in my opinion makes himself susipicous by a lack of posting and uninteresting when he does post, not by making himself look like a fool.

Why is Hawk more likely to be mafia?

None of his post has really made any significant difference on the game, which makes me surprised he managed to live after Day 1, let alone now. But not just that. Most of his post has been of very poor quality, most of which suffers from grammerical issues that can easliy be fixed. I can name only what, one decent post he made? That's why I propose xxFrohawkxx as the lynch today, because seriously, if he is this useless, town, mafia, werewolf, or mason, I wouldn't mind him going.

For Kirbyoshi and Hawk I think you've got it in reverse. I think if those two are scummy then Kirbyoshi is more likely to be mafia and Hawk a wolf.

Response above.

Guus said that it would be almost impossible for town to win if we lynched an Townie. Right now, there are six members left in the game. Two Mafia/Werewolf members and four townies, so we have to be careful here.

If we lynch an townie and only a townie is killed during Night 3, that leaves us with four players left. Which means town can still win and Day 4 starts. Let's say these are town members:

Me
Sworddancer.
Clownbot
Guus

And these are Mafia members:
Kirbyoshi
xxFrohawkxx

If Guus get lynched, on Night 3, the Mafia will most likely go after Sworddancer., since he's considered one of the best newbies in this game. That leaves me and Clownbot left to defend ourself. Town would have to be absolutely perfect to win in this Mafia game. Now I understand that this sounds like jibber, jabbish, but I wanted to prove to Guus that it is not impossible for Town to win even if an town member got lynched.

If my analogy proves to be correct and we lynch the two Mafia members within toDay and toMorrow, Town is guaranteen to win. However, like I said, we will most likely lose Sworddancer. on Night 3, due to reasons above.

But let's say that Sworddancer. does live on Night 3. I think he could possibly be a case like KevinM. Great player, but a Mafia/Werewolf in disguise. My susipicion will rise for him because I think it's either he dies on Night 3 or he might be Mafia.

Now let's take Guus, Clownbot, and me instead. Here are the possible secnarios:

Super Smash Bros. Fan: I'll probably be getting a vote from someone here, most likely Clownbot. If I was killed during Night 3, evidences could point to Clownbot as my killer. If I lived into Day 4, I will be the most likely to be kicked off depending if xxFrohawkxx and Guus hasn't been lynched or killed yet.

Clownbot: If Sworddancer. isn't killed, Clownbot will most likely be Mafia's other target. If he does get killed on Night 3, evidences would most likely go to me. If he lives into Day 4, he will probably remain afloat.

Guus: If he was killed during Night 3, we wouldn't really gather much evidence, since he doesn't have anyone who really is pushing a case on him. If he did live into Day 4 thought, he is the most likely lynch candidate.

This is just my two cents and something I thought up of during my post here.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Not only that, but look back at post 313 on page 21. Mayling tries to get Hawk lynched, and we now know that Mayling was mafia. So I doubt that Hawk is mafia, and if he is scum, then I think that he'll probably be a wolf.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Ninja'd, I was referring to clown's post in my last post.

 

[Deleted member]

@Sworddancer.: You could be right about that. There seems to be an grudge connection between those two. Two rivals working on one goal.

In that case, we can rule out Guus and assume Kirbyoshi is Mafia. Shouldn't Mafia players usually be better when Werewolf is also involved?

 

[Deleted member]

EBWOP: Sorry about that post, I thought you were responding to me.

 

[Jim Morrison]

SSBF, your reasoning is right, when I thought of mine I thought we had only five because I excluded myself from the list of possible mafia's. That said, this could still be the last day if they we lynch a townie and they both nightkill a townie.

The thing about your post is, I don't get why you post the second half so detailed. You're explaining exactly the scenarios that will take place. Those are not set in stone, but still the most likely. The problem is that if you are town, you are giving scum great ideas on who to kill and who to let live. Either you're scum or you're town that didn't reason logically, but really, I keep thinking more and more that you are scum.

 

[Deleted member]

Sworddancer. will be absent today since he's going to an Super Smash Bros. Melee tournament. Just wanted to let you guys know.

@Guus: Explain how could Day 3 be our last day? Also, do Mafia and Werewolf members kill together or seperately?

If they do kill seperately, then you're right about the situation.

And regarding your second paragraph, it was meant to be an short response to you and nothing more, but I started to come up with ideas and that's how I ended up with that very long post.

 

[Clownbot]

Also, do Mafia and Werewolf members kill together or seperately?

Separately, if I understand what you mean.

 

[Deleted member]

@Clownbot: Thanks you very much.

 

[Xiivi]

Deadline has been set for April 2nd, 2010 11:59PM EST.

It's takes 4/6 to lynch!

Day 3 Vote Count 1:​

Clownbot: (0)
guus: (0)
Super Smash Bros. Fan: (0)
Sworddancer.: (0)
xxFrohawkxx: Sworddancer., Super Smash Bros. Fan ( )
Kirbyoshi: (0)

Not Voting: Clownbot, guus, xxFrohawkxx, Kirbyoshi ( )

 

[Deleted member]

I'll look over the thread again to see if I can find a decent lead on other people then xxFrohawkxx. If not, my vote stays.