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*New Technique* Quick Attack Upwards Twice

Discussion in 'Pikachu' started by AXE 09, Apr 26, 2010.

  1. AXE 09

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    Many of you know that Pikachu CAN, in fact, go upwards twice with his up-b. Thanks to the motivation of a various people, I have decided to look into the exact inputs to make this work. Sadly, I do not have Action Replay, so I was very limited to the amount of research I could do. I hope that someone that has AR will look further into this. Until then, these are the best results that I could come up with.

    It is now known that Pikachu (along with a few other characters) can change the direction they face when they up-b strait upwards. In order to do that, you just need to input your up-b, then while your character is in the startup animation, you must lightly tilt the control stick in the opposite direction of which you are facing. This tilt must be light enough so that you do not up-b horizontally. Instead, you will still travel strait up, but end up facing the opposite direction. This can be done from the ground or while airborne. Now, the reason why knowing that is somewhat important is because you will need to tilt your control stick the same amount in order to go upwards twice.

    To go up twice, start your up-b. Now, during the 22nd or the 23rd frame of your up-b, you must input that slight tilt on your control stick either LEFT, RIGHT, or DOWN. That's it! Only ONE input is needed to go upwards twice after pressing up-b. Left and Right, however, yield slightly different results than Down does. How you might ask?

    If you go up twice by tilting left on the 22nd or 23rd frame, Pikachu will turn left during the second zip of his quick attack. That means, if you start off facing right, you will end up facing left. This is absolutely incredible for being able to grab the edge. If you start off facing left, you will still end up facing left. If you go up twice by tilting Right instead, then Pikachu will end up facing right. I think you get the idea.

    If you use down though, then Pikachu will simply go upwards twice without changing any direction at all. Which means, if you start off facing left then perform this technique, you will still be facing left after the second zip. For some reason, Up would NEVER work for me. I tried for a very long time, but slightly tilting Up never resulted in the double up-b.

    Now here's a question many of you might ask: How do you know what the 22nd and 23rd frames look like? Well, when Pikachu performs his quick attack, he will leave these star-like things behind him. They're very noticeable. I can't really describe them other than saying they're just these white stars that have somewhat yellowish circles around them. You should know what I'm talking about. Well, when Pikachu is on the 22nd frame of his up-b, he will have a trail of 6 stars below him, and his body will be VERY vertically stretched out. During his 23rd frame, he will only have a trail of 4 stars below him, and his body will be vertically elongated, but not as much as on frame 22. So, if you input the directional tilt while he has 6-4 stars, you will hopefully get the result of Pikachu going up a second time.

    If this helps, here is a video showing every frame of Pikachu's Quick Attack (along with every other move, for that matter):
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWAEr5fsXCc#t=2m57s

    Further investigation still needs to be made for this technique though. I could not practice this frame-by-frame, and it took me countless hours to get these results. If someone has AR, please look into this further. Until then, these are the conclusions that I have made.

    VIDEO: (Thank you, V3ctorman)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUrKbyyJWas
    The first part of this video shows Pikachu/Pichu changing directions during the first zip of their up-b. The second part shows going upwards twice with their up-b. The third part shows them going upwards twice while changing directions during the second zip. Enjoy :)
     
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  2. V3ctorMan

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    Demonstrated for Axe, because he's a loser with no recordng equipment.. =p.. but it was hella fun learning it Axe...and at the same time a massive headache... ^^
     
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    great. now axe will never die. good luck mango
     
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    Awesome find, but it seems like a lot of practice would be needed to make this useful.
     
  5. INSANE CARZY GUY

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    Most of the time my double upwards to the side would be better to use because it covers more air and pikachu falls faster than he moves sidewards in the air. same for pichu but if people ccan use this at wimp this is 100% legit as H***.
     
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    lool

    good find axe. I'm assuming no AR was used?. lol
     
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    Can this also be used to go double in other directions, like left or right? I can see some real potential in the ability to immediately zip past 3/4 of final destination.
     
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    god axe, took you long enough ;-)

    but seriously, good ****, and yea, I wonder if its possible to go left or right twice, as that would be more useful for recovering, since pika falls faster than he moves forward in the air
     
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    Ughh to hard!






    thats what she said ;)
     
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    Lol thats funny =]

    This is what I was wondering too. Great more research must be done now!!!


    Great find Axe. Its never too late to find new awesome things lol
     
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    good lord same direction double up-b, now im flabbergasted
     
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    I already posted this in another thread, but I'll go ahead and copy and paste it here lol.

    As far as I know, you cannot go any other direction twice sadly. Going upwards twice only works because when you press up-b and then let go of the control stick so it is in a neutral position, the default direction that it goes is up. With precisely timed tilts, you can "trick" Pikachu into going his default direction (which is up) a second time.
     
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    Hey axe have you tryed what I did for double upwards to the side? hold up with a tilt, B and then quickly mash it the same way again.

    When I tested pikachu it didn't seem to work but maybe I was to slow of something
     
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    Well could you tilt the control stic all the way to the side, and then slightly up or down with that direction for the second part?
     
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    My guess is that with any slight tilt, you can only trick pikachu into going the same direction you would initially go without holding any direction on the control stick. And by that, I mean that he will only go UP.

    So in theory, you could do the first zip of your quick attack left. Then, do the tilting technique to trick Pikachu into going upwards when you do not actually press up. Although, you might as well just press up because it's easier. I'm basically saying that I DON'T THINK you can go any other direction twice besides up using this method.
     
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    I think we both need to test my pichu idea some more it worked for going upper left/right twice and it's like 3x easier
     
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    Everything i thought i knew about pikachu is fading away!

    Good stuff axe and ICG : D
     
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    I somewhat hate myself, I feel like an info douche. I know so much about pikachu more than a few pikachu's at least and I never play as him.

    Thank you very much, I need a thank you at least every 3 months or at leastsomething to help avoid mental breakdowns
     
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    What do you need to be thanked for again? So I can follow?
     
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    Lol hense the name right?
     
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    No it's because I drove myself crazy and became afraid of my mine at one point. However if I wanted to lie here I wouldsay sometimes like No because when I was little I liked to kill all my pets. :laugh:
     
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    wait, that's not new.....
     
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    Seriously? I've never seen it before.
     
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    true, I haven't seen it posted but I've been able to do it since 2003, or possibly before that.
     
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    Whaaaaaat? Are you sure that we're talking about the same thing here??

    IMO, this technique is BY FAR Pikachu's hardest move to pull off. If you can really do it, can you explain how exactly you pull it off? Or do you use the method posted in the origional post?
     
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    how did you figure out which frames it was without AR?
     
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    Check this out:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWAEr5fsXCc#t=2m57s

    I would pause the video on a certain frame.

    I would then go to Slo-Mo Melee, use Up-b, then try to pause at the right time. When I finally paused on the exact frame, I would input a tilt, unpause, and see if it worked. This test was viable because you can buffer moves out of pausing. It took HOURS of trial and error.
     
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    o w o oh god. . . i just realized how gosh darn hard this move is to pull off XDD

    if i ever see this pulled off in a tournament and work . . . >w<
     
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    yeah, pretty much what you posted. When I'm near some recording equipment, I'll post it.
     
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    unknown, I wanna know where the **** you were like 6 months ago, actually where were you when you found this out, were you just like," I have some info that could potentially help out some low tier mains but I don't wanna help them."?

    I'm pissed....but your canadian so I love you

    edit: pika is cute for anyone who was unaware of that info, although idk how much it will help you in tourney
     
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    I think that when some people figure things out, it seems so obvious to them that they assume everyone knows about it and don't say anything about it.
     
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    i havent tested it or anything... but ive multiple times on FD (only on the ground, again not tested) been able to quick attack twice to the left or right... so its definitely possible, just not sure how.

    haha.. hopefully i didnt make your life any more miserable!! :p

    im thinking of picking up chu
     
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    Well I mean yes, you can go strait left/right twice by using the floor to guide you, but this technique is done without any walls/floors/ceilings. You can also go strait up/down twice if you find a vertical wall to ride. But all of that's already known. Doing this without touching a wall/floor/ceiling is new.
     
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    So a down tilt results in a double up where both face the same way?
     
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    ok, i didnt know about the floor guiding trick. i wasnt out to disprove you or anything, just being a noob :(
     
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    Yes, tilting downwards on the control stick at the right time during your up-b will make you go upwards twice, with both zips facing the same way.
    Lol no problem man :) Sorry if I sound like a know-it-all jerk or anything, I really don't mean to present myself that way. I'm just trying to make sure everyone understands is all lol. I'm really not mean, I promise!
     
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    haha i know... the boards can do that sometimes i think...

    =.= i guess its time to start practicing
     
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    Soooo...
    If you're recovering from under battlefield, going left to get to the left side of the stage. First you UpB to the left and up in an angle, this puts you right under the lip of the stage but facing AWAY from the stage.
    Can you 'tilt a bit to the right' and default to going straight up facing TO the stage?

    So angle the UpB on the first UpB, then straight up on the second UpB with the same tilting since it goes to default?
     
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    Yes, you can do that.
     
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    it just so happens i have an action replay, way to much time on my hands, and want to contribute. but. for whatever reason. even frame by frame i can't get it to work. i got it to work all of once. and that was an accident. but i'm gonna keep trying. and tell me if you need any more frame data. i can do whatevs. except reverse up b apparently.
     

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