New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Barbasol]

So, in regards to new franchises vs. old Franchises, where do you all think the line should be drawn? In terms of character relevancy, we can't/shouldn't expect certain roster to grow every single time, can we? Just when do we say, "Series X is complete"?

Well, what do you all think? Note that this isn't about what's likely, but rather what best summarizes a series.

Complete Franchises
Kirby- Kirby, Dedede, Meta Knight. The main recurring characters.
Pikmin- Captain Olimar summarizes it perfectly, Louie or Shyacho wouldn't add anything.
Gyromite
Game & Watch
Ice Climbers
Warioware
Yoshi's Story
Metal Gear
Kid Icarus- I'd argue this is fine with just Pit considering it's nature. Palutena, Medusa, or Magnus are possible, though I don't think anyone would argue they'd be anything but filler.

Almost Complete
Sonic the Hedgehog- Tails or Dr. Robotnik would complete the iconic series well.
Donkey Kong- Pair Diddy with Dixie and add K Rool.
Legend of Zelda- Main Triforce complete, Tingle is only remaining 'star.' Has his own games.
F-Zero- Samurai Goroh or Black Shadow would complete it, though it's a tossup.
Metroid- Ridley, for obvious reasons. Dark Samus could also represent the Prime series.

Likely Incompleteable
Star Fox- The quintessential Star Fox team includes Slippy, Peppy, and Krystal in recent years.
Earthbound- Three different heroes of three different games. Best summarized with just Ness probably.
Fire Emblem- Different Timelines, loads of different Lords, villains, and allies. No way that Fire Emblem could ever be complete. Ike and Marth most iconic Lords.
Mario- Remaining characters are all similar in stature. Toad, Waluigi, Bowser Jr., Paper Mario. Drawing the line where it is now actually makes the most sense, but unlikely.
Pokemon- New Generations come out sooner than Smash Bros do. For each generation, there's a hand-ful of popular choices. Gen 1- Iconic Starters, Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Mewtwo, Meowth. Then there's Deoxys, Gardevoir, Darkrai, Lucario, Lugia, Zoroark, Victini, Genesect, Blaziken, etc...

dunno, just some random spewing thoughts. Some franchises just aren't completeable.

 

[Starphoenix]

Is this a good or bad thing?

It's a good thing. Because he is conceding that Megaman would be the better fit. For what it's worth it is at least the second executive from Capcom I know of who has stated that Megaman would be the ideal choice. The other being Yoshinori Ono.

Thanks. I usually don't sign on petitions since I generally consider them to be useless, but I do make exceptions and given that Capcom recognize this one, this is one of those exceptions.

If the game is revived after all the outrage surrounding Mega Man Legends 3 cancellation, Mega Man's chances will go back up. That and the game was one of my most anticipated for the 3DS.

I think it's safe to say that Capcom is not deliberately trying to kill Mega Man.

Personally I believe this has all been a publicity stunt to spike attention and get a head count within the community. Either way I signed it.

 

[Zzuxon]

I'm going to present my own hypothetical Rosters, for the wii U version and 3ds. Now, nobody troll about exclusive characters, if there aren't exclusive characters, the wiiu version will be handicapped by the 3ds version, and have 35 characters. Furthermore, nintendo will do it because they will make more money that way.
I CHOSE CHARACTERS FOR THE WII U VERSION BASED ON CONSOLE SIGNIFICANCE. I CHOSE CHARACTERS FOR THE 3DS VERSION BASED ON HANDHELD SIGNIFICANCE.

Wii U Version: 53 Characters.

All brawl vets except Lucario, Lucas, and G & W return.
Mario:
Toad
Mario RPG:
Paper Mario
Mario Party/Kart/Sports:
Waluigi
tLoZ:
Skull Kid
Pokemon: (I based PKMN choices on movies and show significance. Both Mewtwo and victini had 2 movies.)
Mewtwo
Victini
Metroid:
Ridley
Fire Emblem:
Micaiah
Animal Crossing: (like Fire Emblem in Melee, Animal Crossing is being included as a new nintendo main franchise.)
Tom Nook
Mr. Resetti
F-Zero:
Goroh
Classic Characters:
Little Mac
Excitebiker (Sakurai planned him for melee, but couldn't figure out how to make him fight. Youtube's pizzadudemanguy did though.)
Sukapon
Sheriff
Misc.
Saki
Ray (custom robo)
Ende(Ende is the main character of pandoras tower, miyamoto's new personal project.)
Mii
3rd party:
Geno
Mega-man

3DS Version:

Pikachu
Scizor
Hoenn PKMN Trainer
Lucario
Genesect
Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Link(toon design)
Phantom Zelda/Tetra
Vaati
Tingle
Kirby
D3
Meta Knight
Yoshi
Baby Mario Bros.
Wario
Fawful
Marth
Lyn
Samus
Sylux
Fox
Lucas
Muddy Mole
G & W
Starfy
Isaac
Jill
Ray
Pit
Flipnote Frog(I wanted a character to rep DS applications.)
Mii

 

[Deleted member]

I would bet if there was going to be any playable character from Kid Icarus (and you can be sure there are) Magnus would it. He was made by Sakurai or at least for a game Sakurai created. I would think that would give enough reason to put him in. Plus the idea of having godesses as playable characters seems unlikely. Ganondorf may have god like powers but he was mortal at first.

Magnus looks more like Assist Trophy material to me. Given the high requests for a Kid Icarus godesses in SSB4, I would imagine that Medusa or Palutena would be highly likely, plus I don't think being godesses would cause problems.

What do you guys want to happen with the third parties?

Personally, I wouldn't mind either of these situations:

1. Sonic and Snake stay, and the new 3rd parties jump on board.

2. Sonic and Snake LEAVE, and they bring in the new 3rd parties

3. Sonic and Snake LEAVE, no new 3rd parties come on.
What i wouldn't be happy with is the 3rd parties staying stagnent with just keeping Sonic and Snake, but not adding to them. I don't know why, but that bothers me.

I would rather have one of the three you've mentioned to happen as I think it would be kind of a waste to have just Snake and Sonic come back with no new third-party characters. I prefer the first situation, though.

Any predictions on how many characters this time?

Right now, I am predicting 44 slots.

But an Osama Mii would definetly create alot of lulz, I can see it now, also I would create a Justin Bieber Mii just so I can rmtake out all my rage towards him using The Bkack Knight, TOTAL ****!! [/qutoe]For that to happen is why I don't go against Mii's inclusion.

Do you think that smash series will get its own playable character that is unique to the smash series. Also I hope that mii's are playable chracters. That would be pro.

Probably not.

I like 3rd parties. I really do. But I think if we keep Sonic and Snake, which I think we will, then Megaman is enough and one more makes 4... which is plenty. xD But to be honest, I wouldn't be surprised to see Nintendo put 4 3rd parties in SSB4. Just to be punny.

I'm not expecting a fourth slot even if Sonic, Snake, and Mega Man get in, but if it does happen, I think it'll go to either Professor Layton, Slime, or Ryu Hayabusa.

Edit: @Zzuxon: Can you please form your list in a more organized way?

Also, would anyone like to see Casino Night Zone make an appearance?

 

[Tsubame]

For that to happen is why I don't go against Mii's inclusion.Probably not.I'm not expecting a fourth slot even if Sonic, Snake, and Mega Man get in, but if it does happen, I think it'll go to either Professor Layton, Slime, or Ryu Hayabusa.

Edit: @Zzuxon: Can you please form your list in a more organized way?

Also, would anyone like to see Casino Night Zone make an appearance?

I wouldn't see professor layton fighting really.. he's more like the assist trophy type, slime isn't a big enough character in games to be playing a role in smash bros he's just an enemy and ryu hayabusa... that would like.. be the same as putting in banjo and kazooie or something, though snake was put in to so i am not really to speak xD

casino night zone would be AWESOME

 

[majora_787]

So, in regards to new franchises vs. old Franchises, where do you all think the line should be drawn? In terms of character relevancy, we can't/shouldn't expect certain roster to grow every single time, can we? Just when do we say, "Series X is complete"?

Well, what do you all think? Note that this isn't about what's likely, but rather what best summarizes a series.

Complete Franchises
Kirby- Kirby, Dedede, Meta Knight. The main recurring characters.
Pikmin- Captain Olimar summarizes it perfectly, Louie or Shyacho wouldn't add anything.
Gyromite
Game & Watch
Ice Climbers
Warioware
Yoshi's Story
Metal Gear
Kid Icarus- I'd argue this is fine with just Pit considering it's nature. Palutena, Medusa, or Magnus are possible, though I don't think anyone would argue they'd be anything but filler.

Almost Complete
Sonic the Hedgehog- Tails or Dr. Robotnik would complete the iconic series well.
Donkey Kong- Pair Diddy with Dixie and add K Rool.
Legend of Zelda- Main Triforce complete, Tingle is only remaining 'star.' Has his own games.
F-Zero- Samurai Goroh or Black Shadow would complete it, though it's a tossup.
Metroid- Ridley, for obvious reasons. Dark Samus could also represent the Prime series.

Likely Incompleteable
Star Fox- The quintessential Star Fox team includes Slippy, Peppy, and Krystal in recent years.
Earthbound- Three different heroes of three different games. Best summarized with just Ness probably.
Fire Emblem- Different Timelines, loads of different Lords, villains, and allies. No way that Fire Emblem could ever be complete. Ike and Marth most iconic Lords.
Mario- Remaining characters are all similar in stature. Toad, Waluigi, Bowser Jr., Paper Mario. Drawing the line where it is now actually makes the most sense, but unlikely.
Pokemon- New Generations come out sooner than Smash Bros do. For each generation, there's a hand-ful of popular choices. Gen 1- Iconic Starters, Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Mewtwo, Meowth. Then there's Deoxys, Gardevoir, Darkrai, Lucario, Lugia, Zoroark, Victini, Genesect, Blaziken, etc...

dunno, just some random spewing thoughts. Some franchises just aren't completeable.

Just gonna say a couple things here...

- Kid Icarus, with its recent revival, may get a 2nd character.
- Sonic the Hedgehog is complete. People need to stop that. Seriously.
- No. While we very well might get a new Zelda character, it won't be Tingle for so many reasons.
- F-Zero is probably the most dead represented series in Smash Bros. Unless it gets revived, it's as complete as it needs to be. Not that I wouldn't like to see SOME addition.
- I doubt we'd get Prime series rep, since the prime series is long enough done.
- Star Fox has plenty of characters. We don't need Krystal.
- Earthbound... Uhm. Not to say Earthbound is bad, because I've never played it, but it is a not-so-major series with three total games that may not have another one. I don't think that merits a third character...
- IF. IF Fire Emblem gets a new character, it would be Roy or Caeda. And that's a big if, since I imagine they would only want the newest lords.
- I think Mario might be complete, considering we don't really GET new Mario characters like we do with Pokemon. We might though.

Just throwing some stuff out there.

EDIT: This is so obnoxious. Why would they cut Lucas when Lucas was intended originally to replace Ness? If either of them gets cut, which I doubt they will, it'll be Ness like they originally planned to.

EDIT 2: Since we have Snake, I dunno how I feel about having Ryu. That seems a little redundant to me. I'd almost prefer Banjo, despite not caring about them and doubting they'll show up in smash.

EDIT 3: Why would Nintendo go through the work to get special characters like that, one being out of FAN DEMAND and the other being a FAVOR, and then just crunch them for the next title? That's rude to the fans and rude to the person the favor was for to begin with. <_<

 

[Tsubame]

Just gonna say a couple things here...

- Kid Icarus, with its recent revival, may get a 2nd character.
- Sonic the Hedgehog is complete. People need to stop that. Seriously.
- No. While we very well might get a new Zelda character, it won't be Tingle for so many reasons.
- F-Zero is probably the most dead represented series in Smash Bros. Unless it gets revived, it's as complete as it needs to be. Not that I wouldn't like to see SOME addition.
- I doubt we'd get Prime series rep, since the prime series is long enough done.
- Star Fox has plenty of characters. We don't need Krystal.
- Earthbound... Uhm. Not to say Earthbound is bad, because I've never played it, but it is a not-so-major series with three total games that may not have another one. I don't think that merits a third character...
- IF. IF Fire Emblem gets a new character, it would be Roy or Caeda. And that's a big if, since I imagine they would only want the newest lords.
- I think Mario might be complete, considering we don't really GET new Mario characters like we do with Pokemon. We might though.

Just throwing some stuff out there.

EDIT: This is so obnoxious. Why would they cut Lucas when Lucas was intended originally to replace Ness? If either of them gets cut, which I doubt they will, it'll be Ness like they originally planned to.

EDIT 2: Since we have Snake, I dunno how I feel about having Ryu. That seems a little redundant to me. I'd almost prefer Banjo, despite not caring about them and doubting they'll show up in smash.

HALLELUJA

finally someone get's it!!

the only thing i probably don't agree with though is the point of the mario part being complete, i actually think that it will be one of the two series that will keep getting new characters (the other being pokemon) most likely characters being bowser jr., paper mario.. (though unlikely) and maaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe geno due to people nagging sakurai about him.

leave out tingle he won't make it, just like waluigi (though waluigi has a slightly better chance)

 

[majora_787]

HALLELUJA

finally someone get's it!!

the only thing i probably don't agree with though is the point of the mario part being complete, i actually think that it will be one of the two series that will keep getting new characters (the other being pokemon) most likely characters being bowser jr., paper mario.. (though unlikely) and maaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe geno due to people nagging sakurai about him.

leave out tingle he won't make it, just like waluigi (though waluigi has a slightly better chance)

I just mean that it's probably complete, not that it IS.

Generally speaking, we don't GET new mario characters the same way we do with Pokemon. <_< Because Mario's remaining huge options (I suppose) are Toad and Bowser Jr. And considering how the thought process appears to work with characters who don't fight, I don't see Toad getting in quite as easily as Bowser Jr.

Not BECAUSE he doesn't fight, but Toad's 'not fighting' is a lot like Nook's 'not fighting'. Or the Animal Crosser's 'not fighting'.

EDIT: Is it just me, or is Layton the Geno of SSB4 speculation? <_<

 

[Tsubame]

I just mean that it's probably complete, not that it IS.

Generally speaking, we don't GET new mario characters the same way we do with Pokemon. <_< Because Mario's remaining huge options (I suppose) are Toad and Bowser Jr. And considering how the thought process appears to work with characters who don't fight, I don't see Toad getting in quite as easily as Bowser Jr.

Not BECAUSE he doesn't fight, but Toad's 'not fighting' is a lot like Nook's 'not fighting'. Or the Animal Crosser's 'not fighting'.

EDIT: Is it just me, or is Layton the Geno of SSB4 speculation? <_<

sorry mate, misunderstood you there. Youre absolutely right

And yup, though Geno actually has some chance and layton getting in is close to zero.

Toad ISN'T getting in, that's almost a fact lol.. bowser jr. has some chance in my opinion

 

[Gallowglass]

Magnus looks more like Assist Trophy material to me. Given the high requests for a Kid Icarus godesses in SSB4, I would imagine that Medusa or Palutena would be highly likely, plus I don't think being godesses would cause problems.

Popularity isn't always a sure thing. If that was true Geno and Krystal would have been in Brawl.

A problem is Palutena is Kid Icarus' final smash so they would have to change that.

Judging from just the NES game Palutena didn't do anything in the game and Medusa was a giant wall.

If you think about it if you developed your own original character wouldn't you want him in Smash?

Plus just looking at him he seems to have an Ike-ish look to him. He could very well use that "hammer sword" just like Ike's blade.

 

[nLiM8d]

Edited by xeGO.

 

[OmegaXXII]

A problem is Palutena is Kid Icarus' final smash so they would have to change that.

Judging from just the NES game Palutena didn't do anything in the game and Medusa was a giant wall.

If you think about it if you developed your own original character wouldn't you want him in Smash?

Plus just looking at him he seems to have an Ike-ish look to him. He could very well use that "hammer sword" just like Ike's blade.

Magnus definetly looks cool, so I wouldn't mind him at all seeing that he has more a a Final Fantasy look, as for Palutena, sure she was a Final Smash in Brawl but that doesn't mean she could be "upgraded" if Sakurai shows interest, from looking at the upcoming Kid Icarus uprising game she could very well have a moveset based on that game, not necessarly the old NES games, the same logic could apply to Medusa, although I'd really like to see her as a playable character, I Also see her as an SSE boss which wouldn't necessarly be bad but like I said she could probably end up as a playable character if Sakurai shoes interest in her.

Overall I believe any of those 3 have a chance, Kid Icarus definetly needs a second rep, more specifically an antagonist like Medusa, so if I had to choose between those 3 if would definetly be Medusa, but I also wouldn't mind the other two as well.

 

[Jaklub]

- Sonic the Hedgehog is complete. People need to stop that. Seriously.

No. People do not need to stop with that. Everything may happen with third parties. We know nothing. Expanding the existing franchises is a possibility as much as booting every 3rd party franchise.

 

[Tsubame]

No. People do not need to stop with that. Everything may happen with third parties. We know nothing. Expanding the existing franchises is a possibility as much as booting every 3rd party franchise.

Well actually, nintendo DID note that they didn't want any more 3rd party chars in the game, i don't know if that will mean sonic and snake will be kicked out as well

 

[augustoflores]

link to that note, tsubame?

 

[nLiM8d]

Edited by xeGO.

 

[Tsubame]

can't find it anymore, but just when sonic was anounced. I read something about an interview with sakurai or something that stated that he wasn't planning on any 3rd party chars in the following games. But then again. he also stated that he wouldn't develop another sb.. So nothing is sure x3

 

[OmegaXXII]

Well actually, nintendo DID note that they didn't want any more 3rd party chars in there game, i don't know if that will mean sonic and snake will be kicked out as well

Where is this so called statement then? Link please!!!

As for 3rd party characters, we are most likely going to get Sonic and Snake at the very least, they both already have a good existing relation with Dakurai so if Kojima and Sega wants Sonic and Snake then I don't see why that would be such a big problem.

As for a new 3rd party character, I highly that that we'll get a 2nd Sonic rep which is already 3rd party material to begin with, it would be cool though, and it's not really impossible is Sega were to be interested in the matter since they already have a good relation with Nintendo.

The point is that while Sega might include a second Sonic rep, I think it's unlikely to happen, I'd much rather see another totally different character from a different universe such as Megaman, Professor Layton, or maybe even Sora who is probably unlikely.

but going by your so called statement we might not get anything at all so it would be sad if we didn't get any, just really.

 

[Gallowglass]

Magnus definetly looks cool, sonInwouldnt mind him at all seeing that he has more a a Final Fantasy look, as for Palutena, sure she was a Final Smash in Brawl bit that doesn't mean she could be "upgraded" if Sakurai shows interest, from looking at the upcoming Kud Icarus uprising game she could very well have a moveset based on that game, not necessarly the old NES games, the same logic could apply to Medusa, although I'd really like to see her as a playable character, I Also see her as an SSE boss which wouldn't necessarly be bad but like I said she could probably end up as a playable character if Sakurai shoes interest in her.

Overall I believe any of those 3 have a chance, Kid Icarus definetly needs a second rep, more specifically an antagonist like Medusa, so if I had to choose between those 3 if would definetly be Medusa, but I also wouldn't mind the other two as well.

Well any character can be playable if Sakurai wanted too. You people keep choosing them for how they look and not functionality in Smash. You want King Hippo because he looked different even though I feel that both Bald Bull fights were more memorable fight then King Hippo was. And why is it that she can be upgraded as a playable character when Toad can't because Peach uses him (Even though there is no need to change Peach's B move even if Toad is playble)?

 

[Lightosia]

This topic:

 

[Starphoenix]

Btw, I'm now an active supporter for Ghirahim. Finally get to hear his voice and music. Who cares about one shot/multiple shot, when there is an interesting character out there I darn well am going to support it!

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/sdcc-11-zelda-skyward/717985

 

[OmegaXXII]

can't find it anymore, but just when sonic was anounced. I read something about an interview with sakurai or something that stated that he wasn't planning on any 3rd party chars in the following games. But then again. he also stated that he wouldn't develop another sb.. So nothing is sure x3

Nothing can be certain, anything can happen, Sakurai obviously changed his opinion of a new Smash game, why wouldn't he do so with 3rd party characters, after all he has been communicating with Capcom as of late so I'm pretty certain we'll most likely get somekind of 3rd party character such as Ryu or Megaman, even if MML3 was cancelled and his exclusion from Ultimate MvC3 I still believe Megaman might still have a chance though not as high as before those announcements were made last week.

 

[nLiM8d]

Edited by xeGO.

 

[Tsubame]

i just looked around the internetz a little more, i really can't find it anymore.
i could ask a friend of mine next thursday (he's on vacation) i remember him print screening it to me and saving the file to his pc so maybe he's got the file somewhere.. though it's unlikely he still has it >_<

 

[Tsubame]

Nothing can be certain, anything can happen, Sakurai obviously changed his opinion of a new Smash game, why wouldn't he do so with 3rd party characters, after all he has been communicating with Capcom as of late so I'm pretty certain we'll most likely get somekind of 3rd party character such as Ryu or Megaman, even if MML3 was cancelled and his exclusion from Ultimate MvC3 I still believe Megaman might still have a chance though not as high as before those announcements were made last week.

Indeed, Sakurai always has been unpredictable.. Megaman would be awesome. Besides, i can't think of a third party character (besides sonic and co) that would be more fit for smash ^^ well.. at the very least no one pops in right now x)

 

[Starphoenix]

Where's the petition for that? I'll sign it in a heartbeat.

Frieza + Saturos + every other badass I've ever seen.

Who Ghirahim? Yeah, we could call it Operation: FABULOUS!

 

[nLiM8d]

Edited by xeGO.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I prefer Ganondorf as a villain, but I appreciate the variance in the series.

Skull kid was a fun villain, basically a kid with malicious powers. If anyone crossed him they got sent to the corn field.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Well any character can be playable if Sakurai wanted too. You people keep choosing them for how they look and not functionality in Smash. You want King Hippo because he looked different even though I feel that both Bald Bull fights were more memorable fight then King Hippo was. And why is it that she can be upgraded as a playable character when Toad can't because Peach uses him (Even though there is no need to change Peach's B move even if Toad is playble)?

I never said that I preffered a character just because of their looks, I only said it looks cool but by no means should that be a reason for a character to be deserving, hell we could very well get the best looking character in any game but what's the point if a character isn't even wanted or popular? Much less deserving? That's not the point of Smash, this isn't a best looking characters game, I just stated that ge looks "cool" but by no means do I believe he's deserving enough until I get presented with more.

As for Toad being a B neutral, are you serious??

Toad can very much be a playable character regardless if Sakurai deems to do so, people are forgetting that Smash isn't canon, it doesn't matter, besides there's always Toadette or a simple different colored Toad would be a solution if Sakurai must keep Peach the same, that excuse in invalid.

 

[Tsubame]

Ganondorf IS baddas, skullkid is to,

i'd reaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllllllllllyy like to see Vaati make his appearance.. But that's not going to happen =[ most likely not anyway..

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

King Hippo is just one of the more well known punch out bosses, due to his pants dropping antics and with the help that he was one of the major villains in Captain N

 

[OmegaXXII]

Btw, I'm now an active supporter for Ghirahim. Finally get to hear his voice and music. Who cares about one shot/multiple shot, when there is an interesting character out there I darn well am going to support it!

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/sdcc-11-zelda-skyward/717985

Ghirahim? Wow Star, what made you support him in the first place??

But nonetheless I wouldn't really mind him unless of course we get Ganondorf with a sword or dark magic as well.

 

[Barbasol]

Btw, I'm now an active supporter for Ghirahim. Finally get to hear his voice and music. Who cares about one shot/multiple shot, when there is an interesting character out there I darn well am going to support it!

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/sdcc-11-zelda-skyward/717985

Man Ghirahim is such a creeper lol.

There's an interesting parallel here though.

Skull Kid starred in Majora's Mask 2000
-Left out of Melee in 2001
Zant starred in Twilight Princess in 2006
-Left out of Brawl in 2008.
Ghirahim will star in Skyward Sword in 2011
-Probably will be left out of Smash 4 in ~2013

Though... a Majora's Mask remake is possibly on the horizon.... That could give Skull Kid a new edge.

Skull Kid would have starred in two major titles, boss in TP, side character in OOT.

 

[Starphoenix]

I prefer Ganondorf as a villain, but I appreciate the variance in the series.

Skull kid was a fun villain, basically a kid with malicious powers. If anyone crossed him they got sent to the corn field.

Twilight Zone reference for the win! Ah, that was probably the best episode they had...

Ganondorf IS baddas, skullkid is to,

i'd reaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllllllllllyy like to see Vaati make his appearance.. But that's not going to happen =[ most likely not anyway..

Nope, because Ghirahim will be the best Zelda villain we have had in the series to date! Zant lost all the cool points at the end, Vaati was a ******, Skull Kid's villainry had more to do with his mask than himself. Not debating Ganondorf.

 

[Gallowglass]

Ganondorf IS baddas, skullkid is to,

i'd reaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllllllllllyy like to see Vaati make his appearance.. But that's not going to happen =[ most likely not anyway..

Actually in my blog I made a post about Vaati being a boss character. Personally I think he is the second most influential villian in the Zelda series besides Ganondorf.

King Hippo is just one of the more well known punch out bosses, due to his pants dropping antics and with the help that he was one of the major villains in Captain N

That's true and maybe because I figured him out a lot sooner then most people (I beat him on the NES when I was like 6). Bald Bull was scary and I still have trouble countering his Bull charge.

I know this is old but I thought I would show this old youtube punchout vid. This was before Punch Out for the Wii even was mentioned.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiBER4iVwCw

 

[OmegaXXII]

But Ghirahim is a one time shot??!!

He does hold relevance though, plus he would probably be the perfect character to promote from Skyward Sword into Smash 4, that would be a win, win situation .

 

[Zzuxon]

Magnus looks more like Assist Trophy material to me. Given the high requests for a Kid Icarus godesses in SSB4, I would imagine that Medusa or Palutena would be highly likely, plus I don't think being godesses would cause problems.I would rather have one of the three you've mentioned to happen as I think it would be kind of a waste to have just Snake and Sonic come back with no new third-party characters. I prefer the first situation, though.Right now, I am predicting 44 slots.

But an Osama Mii would definetly create alot of lulz, I can see it now, also I would create a Justin Bieber Mii just so I can rmtake out all my rage towards him using The Bkack Knight, TOTAL ****!! [/qutoe]For that to happen is why I don't go against Mii's inclusion.Probably not.I'm not expecting a fourth slot even if Sonic, Snake, and Mega Man get in, but if it does happen, I think it'll go to either Professor Layton, Slime, or Ryu Hayabusa.

Edit: @Zzuxon: Can you please form your list in a more organized way?

Also, would anyone like to see Casino Night Zone make an appearance?

Is this better?

I'm going to present my own hypothetical Rosters, for the wii U version and 3ds. Now, nobody troll about exclusive characters, if there aren't exclusive characters, the wiiu version will be handicapped by the 3ds version, and have 35 characters. Furthermore, nintendo will do it because they will make more money that way.
I CHOSE CHARACTERS FOR THE WII U VERSION BASED ON CONSOLE SIGNIFICANCE. I CHOSE CHARACTERS FOR THE 3DS VERSION BASED ON HANDHELD SIGNIFICANCE.

Wii U Version: 53 Characters.

All brawl vets except Lucario, Lucas, and G & W return.
Mario:
Toad

Mario RPG:
Paper Mario

Mario Party/Kart/Sports:
Waluigi

tLoZ:
Skull Kid

Pokemon: (I based PKMN choices on movies and show significance. Both Mewtwo and victini had 2 movies.)
Mewtwo
Victini

Metroid:
Ridley

Fire Emblem:
Micaiah

Animal Crossing: (like Fire Emblem in Melee, Animal Crossing is being included as a new nintendo main franchise.)
Tom Nook
Mr. Resetti

F-Zero:
Goroh

Mother:
Ness

Classic Characters:
Little Mac
Excitebiker (Sakurai planned him for melee, but couldn't figure out how to make him fight. Youtube's pizzadudemanguy did though.)
Sukapon
Sheriff

Misc.
Saki
Ray (custom robo)
Ende(Ende is the main character of pandoras tower, miyamoto's new personal project.)
Mii

3rd party:
Geno
Mega-man

3DS Version:

PKMN:
Pikachu
Scizor
Hoenn PKMN Trainer
Lucario
Genesect

Mario:
Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser

tLoZ:
Link(toon design)
Phantom Zelda/Tetra
Vaati
Tingle

Kirby:
Kirby
D3
Meta Knight

Yoshi:
Yoshi
Baby Mario Bros.

Wario:
Wario

Mario RPG
Fawful

Fire Emblem:
Marth
Lyn

Metroid:
Samus
Sylux

Star Fox
Fox

Mother:
Lucas

Classic Characters:
Muddy Mole
G & W

Misc.
Starfy
Isaac
Jill
Ray
Pit
Flipnote Frog(I wanted a character to rep DS applications.)
Mii

 

[Pseudomaniac]

As far as Smash goes, Ghirahim reminds me more of Midna than Zant. Two cult favorites that'll never make it into the game. If Midna or Zant was in Brawl or Skull Kid was in Melee, I'd give Ghirahim more credit. But they aren't, and Ghirahim won't be either. After the letdown of Midna's absence in Brawl, I'm not going to get my hopes up for another one-shot Zelda character.

 

[Sonic Poke]

Skull Kid starred in Majora's Mask 2000
-Left out of Melee in 2001
Zant starred in Twilight Princess in 2006
-Left out of Brawl in 2008.
Ghirahim will star in Skyward Sword in 2011
-Probably will be left out of Smash 4 in ~2013

It doesn't really mean anything!

@ Star: I'm happy that you support Ghirahim! Be welcome!

 

[Tsubame]

But Ghirahim is a one time shot??!!

He does hold relevance though, plus he would probably be the perfect character to promote from Skyward Sword into Smash 4, that would be a win, win situation .

I think sakurai noticed that to, but i don't think another zelda villain will be making it into sb4..
it's the same as puting mauser (smb2) or the hell princess bean in brawl.. just not likely