New Smash Bros for WiiU

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lol I'll be 19 in 3 weeks.

I think the Blue Shell should be an item in Smash 4. When thrown, it will fly off the screen, and randomly return later in the match to hit however is in lead with stock/points/damage/coins. Would also be pretty powerful.

Another great item idea.

 

[yani]

I think the Blue Shell should be an item in Smash 4. When thrown, it will fly off the screen, and randomly return later in the match to hit however is in lead with stock/points/damage/coins. Would also be pretty powerful.

This the best blue shell suggestion yet. Props man.

 

[Starphoenix]

Psh, everyone here are like babies.

*Still no one commenting*

[COLLAPSE="Shorthand"]Oh well, I'm still going to complete this!

Brawl's Intro:

So then we had Brawl's Intro. This one does not start off with the logo like the rest, but immediately starts moving through basically all the characters that you've unlocked at the time and whizzes by them eventually showing them all looking over a cliff with the Sun making an X sign.

As most of you should probably know, Brawl was Smash Bros X in Japan, so the X here is supposed to symbolize that. Doesn't quite translate over into English that well, but whatever. This opening scene in particular is half made up just for this intro and half from SSE, since this is the final scene. As mentioned, what makes this particularly unique is the fact that when you start up the game for the first time, you only have the starting roster, and characters keep on getting added. Hopefully something akin to this could be used for a Smash 4 intro.

At this point the title comes in, though not the title screen. We now start getting into the snippets of SSE cutscenes, but I'm still going to make a few comments here. First off, the initial image is of Mario turning from a trophy into his real self, just like the Melee intro. Right afterwards, we have Link doing a pose, just like the Melee intro. Kirby then just shows up, though that's when the Melee intro stuff ends, since he's just waving around, and Pikachu is no where in sight. Pit then fights some Primed, Zelda/Peach stare at stuff, and Meta-Knight swoops around. Next its DK screaming, Diddy shooting, and Fox and Dedede just standing around. For a brief amount of time, we get some in game stuff before ZSS stares at her armor. Wario, Olimar, Yoshi, Ice Climbers, Ness, PT, Lucas, and Bowser then proceed to pose or shake or...sleep? Yoshi you never do anything in these intros do you?

Yoshi was sort of just sleeping there in the 64 intro too.

We finally get to see Sonic and Snake here, and at this point have seen 3 secret characters. Also we see their stages, since we've stopped being SSE cutscenes again. At this point though the starting roster has all been shown (plus Ness/Snake/Sonic) so we get more and more gameplay footage...also Ike was shown earlier, just not in a SSE context. At this point it goes back to SSE footage, though its not character specific. We have a line up of Link/Mario/Pit/Yoshi/Kirby, and a Arwing and then Zelda with Kirby and what not. Also a brief shot of the end of the game again? After another SSE clip of Charizard, we resume gameplay, and see Ivysaur. The gameplay footage now though emphasizes the stages rather than the characters, and is mostly wide angled shots. More SSE clips follow (With Ike and Squirtle) and it goes for some of the more "epic" parts without spoiling all too much, like having Marth (Oh yeah, another secret character) and MK fight against the Subspace army, and Fox going against the Halberd. Also that one scene with Bowser and his minions. As it starts to wind down, we get Mario and Link again, and then a lot of Halberd. They seem to be showing the Halberd a lot. I think they may have imported it from that canceled GCN Kirby game Finally, we are at the main screen.

Alright, lets wrap this up. The title screen here is somewhat elaborate, though more muted than the previous ones. Its also cleaner. Melee's had lots of lines going around, and was sort of kaleidoscope like. Brawl's doesn't really shift colors, though it seems sort of water like, though it isn't uniform. It has text sort of scrolling the bottom. I'd say its style is more "modern" like Melee's was, but more of today's style, with less superfluous things about it, though there are still things shifting around back there. It also contrasts Melee's which was dark and seemed to have sharper colors, while Brawl's is light and more bloomed. Personally I prefer Melee's style there, not really because of the dark colors, but rather I like how elaborate it is rather than efficient, and I really do prefer sharper colors rather than blurry/Bloomed colors.

So lastly here, what can Smash 4 take away from this? Personally I'd say its the fact that the intro changes with more characters. Ideally, I'd say that Smash 4 have two intros, one which was the starting cast, and emphasized each of said starting cast members in their respective universes, and then another intro when you've got all the characters that focus more on the characters interacting. Brawl essentially starts out as the first, and ends up the later, though with not that many secret characters. Melee did this too, though it had a lot more emphasis on the characters being individuals. It also gave the individual shots a lot more time, but that was probably due to a smaller roster. Smash 4's roster would probably drag the intro if they gave all the time Melee did to its characters.

Anyways, that's it. If I got at this again, I'll probably get into the aesthetics of the menus. Sort of pointless, but I want to start a bit smaller, and work my way through how a person would work their way with the game. Thus I started with the intro. There's really not much to add here other than my idea of two intros and how the title screen should be. Well maybe less the title screen, since I'm not exactly sure what that would really look good as. Maybe sharp light blue or a focus on fire like 64 had.[/COLLAPSE]

Not sure what you want people to say? Personally I enjoyed the first two games openings more than Brawl. Primarily because they were unique and not a montage of Subspace Emissary clips. Smash Bros 4 needs to have a unique intro that emphasizes the theme of the game.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I would laugh my *** off if Impa really got into Smash

Be glad I don't bet y'all for money on this

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Items to bring back in Sm4sh:
Barrel Cannon
Red Shell
Flipper
Parasol

Poke Ball Pokemon to return:
Scizor
Onix
Hitmonlee
Raikou

New Item Idea:
Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Seeds-The Seeds from the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon games. All of them look the same, but each one can cause a random effect. They can:
Simply explode(Blast Seed)
Heal damage(Heal Seed)
Make opponents fall asleep(Sleep Seed)
Daze the opponent(Totter Seed)
Petrify opponent(Stun Seed)
Enhance speed(Quick Seed)
Make Smashes stronger(Violent Seed)

Some ideas. Thoughts?

EDIT: Forgot to mention. The three Seeds with positive effects are automatically ingested. Heal Seed lowers damage, Quick Seed increases speed(character surrounded by blue outline), and Violent Seed increases power(character is surrounded by red outline). The other four can be picked up and thrown.

What does everyone think of this? I'm reposting it because it is ALREADY buried under 10 pages.

 

[ChronoBound]

Not sure what you want people to say? Personally I enjoyed the first two games openings more than Brawl. Primarily because they were unique and not a montage of Subspace Emissary clips.

Those are my thoughts too on the three openings.

Also, does anyone else think that if DK does only get one newcomer spot, that such a spot is actually competitive between K. Rool and Dixie Kong? I mean K. Rool certainly has much more requests, but Dixie Kong actually had a moveset made for her by Sakurai and she is certainly popular herself.

 

[Starphoenix]

Also, does anyone else think that if DK does only get one newcomer spot, that such a spot is actually competitive between K. Rool and Dixie Kong? I mean K. Rool certainly has much more requests, but Dixie Kong actually had a moveset made for her by Sakurai and she is certainly popular herself.

You do not know that to be the case.

 

[Pieman0920]

Not sure what you want people to say? Personally I enjoyed the first two games openings more than Brawl. Primarily because they were unique and not a montage of Subspace Emissary clips. Smash Bros 4 needs to have a unique intro that emphasizes the theme of the game.

Just something I guess.

Honestly, most people don't really need to comment on anything in here since its just people's opinions on a game we know next to nothing about

Oh well. I don't think any of the games have had a real theme other Smash characters beating each other up. There may be a reflection in the style of the Adventure/Story mode though. Its just interesting I think that the intros all seem to follow the same format and seem to reference each other on closer inspection. Or maybe that's me just making connections where there are none. Who knows.

EDIT: I don't think there is even going to be a third DK spot, quite honestly. And if there is, it'd probably go for Dixie, since she sort of is better for an overall representative of the series. K. Rool's just a generic bad guy. Every series has its bad guy, but I don't think you really need to include all of them just because of that.

 

[ChronoBound]

You do not know that to be the case.

Sakurai's statments on the removal of Dixie Kong from Diddy Kong seems to suggest she was certainly in the game at one point and the main problem was with the AI and switching mechanics. We don't know how much Dixie Kong differed from Diddy Kong in terms of her attacks, but she certainly was in Brawl at one point considering that the buginess of the team mechanic made them scrap her.

 

[Starphoenix]

Just something I guess.

Honestly, most people don't really need to comment on anything in here since its just people's opinions on a game we know next to nothing about

Oh well. I don't think any of the games have had a real theme other Smash characters beating each other up. There may be a reflection in the style of the Adventure/Story mode though. Its just interesting I think that the intros all seem to follow the same format and seem to reference each other on closer inspection. Or maybe that's me just making connections where there are none. Who knows.

Well if that is your criteria than I commented.

Actually the opening does give a feel for how the game plays. Not saying it is intended or deep, but there is something to it.

Sakurai's statments on the removal of Dixie Kong from Diddy Kong seems to suggest she was certainly in the game at one point and the main problem was with the AI and switching mechanics. We don't know how much Dixie Kong differed from Diddy Kong in terms of her attacks, but she certainly was in Brawl at one point considering that the buginess of the team mechanic made them scrap her.

Hate to say this but do you have a link? I have heard nothing about Dixie Kong apart from hackers.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Those are my thoughts too on the three openings.

Also, does anyone else think that if DK does only get one newcomer spot, that such a spot is actually competitive between K. Rool and Dixie Kong? I mean K. Rool certainly has much more requests, but Dixie Kong actually had a moveset made for her by Sakurai and she is certainly popular herself.

Why? DK is long overdue of proper representation ever since

My Lord, Dixie is being doubted for her Brawl's inclusion but when Toon Sheik is brought up you guys actually believed it's Toon SHEIK without doubt, and not Tetra...?

Today was a weird day on here :/

 

[ChronoBound]

Hate to say this but do you have a link? I have heard nothing about Dixie Kong apart from hackers.

It comes from Famitsu. Go to the Japanese wikipedia entry on Super Smash Bros. Brawl and it talks about it (among various other topics such as the Animal Crosser once being considered, and how he selected Ike).

 

[yani]

@Star http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=144627

 

[Starphoenix]

It comes from Famitsu. Go to the Japanese wikipedia entry on Super Smash Bros. Brawl and it talks about it (among various other topics such as the Animal Crosser once being considered, and how he selected Ike).

Well that would explain why I have heard nothing about it. Still do not believe that makes her anymore likely than before, but I am not going to say it absolutely does not.

@Star http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=144627

Thank you.

 

[Deleted member]

It comes from Famitsu. Go to the Japanese wikipedia entry on Super Smash Bros. Brawl and it talks about it (among various other topics such as the Animal Crosser once being considered, and how he selected Ike).

This was actually confirmed false. The article in question came from Nintendo Dream (not Famitsu), and had NOTHING to do with Brawl. Just AC.
The one who supposedly "translated" it was slinging bull.

Especially considering we got a confirmation from Sakurai himself that characters like the Animal Crosser won't be playable if it doesn't make sense for them to fight.

 

[ChronoBound]

This was actually confirmed false. The article in question came from Nintendo Dream (not Famitsu), and had NOTHING to do with Brawl. Just AC.
The one who supposedly "translated" it was slinging bull.

I am pretty sure you are confusing that with something else. I think even Toise can confirm this.

 

[Conviction]

@pieman: Sorry dog, I didn't really know how to reply to it myself, you know? And I'm big into anything that's not character debates. Maybe the next idea you throw out I'll throw some input or commentary on it.

 

[Pieman0920]

Why? DK is long overdue of proper representation ever since

My Lord, Dixie is being doubted for her Brawl's inclusion but when Toon Sheik is brought up you guys actually believed it's Toon SHEIK without doubt, and not Tetra...?

Today was a weird day on here :/

The DK series has proper representation now. :V

Also, Toon Sheik, was the name that the data had, and the name is the only solid thing we've ever had on the subject.

 

[Deleted member]

@Chrono

Especially considering we got a confirmation from Sakurai himself that characters like the Animal Crosser won't be playable if it doesn't make sense for them to fight.

10char

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

The DK series has proper representation now. :V

Also, Toon Sheik, was the name that the data had, and the name is the only solid thing we've ever had on the subject.

Nope. We don't have one of the biggest villains in Nintendo playable. And I'm NOT talking about Ridley. Not having K. Rool playable is like not having Bowser, Ganondorf, or Dedede playable. Unacceptable.

 

[Diddy Kong]

The DK series has proper representation now. :V

Also, Toon Sheik, was the name that the data had, and the name is the only solid thing we've ever had on the subject.

Toon Sheik does not excist however. And seeing Toon Link's Wind Waker stylo, along with a Pirate Ship stage... How could this NOT have been Tetra?

And Diddy is the very least they could do. Both Dixie AND K.Rool where also heavily suggested pre Brawl. Now even more so.

Besides, Sakurai doesn't share Nintendo's bias against DKC. Even though they themselves say they don't :/

 

[Shorts]

You do not know that to be the case.

Come now, it's probably true. I posted something about her trophy model looking like older models of Diddy and DK, so you never know. She could have made it that far.

 

[ChronoBound]

Well that would explain why I have heard nothing about it. Still do not believe that makes her anymore likely than before, but I am not going to say it absolutely does not.

So I am assuming you think that the only two of the Forbidden 7 that will show up in Smash 4 will be Mewtwo and Roy?

What are your thoughts on Dr. Mario being a costume (he too was among the Forbidden 7 fyi). Sakurai shot the idea down pre-Melee (saying that Doc could not shoot fireballs so he could not be a costume).

 

[Diddy Kong]

So Doc won't be a costume. Simply enough. I think he COULD possibly return if they want a 6th Mario character. I'd be much more cool with him than Waluigi, even if Doc is a clone.

 

[Starphoenix]

Come now, it's probably true. I posted something about her trophy model looking like older models of Diddy and DK, so you never know. She could have made it that far.

Hah, and you criticized me for doing the same thing with Saki Amamiya. At least I think it was you? Meh, I do not know anymore. My memory is slipping these days. Age you know.

So I am assuming you think that the only two of the Forbidden 7 that will show up in Smash 4 will be Mewtwo and Roy?

What are your thoughts on Dr. Mario being a costume (he too was among the Forbidden 7 fyi). Sakurai shot the idea down pre-Melee (saying that Doc could not shoot fireballs so he could not be a costume).

I am not even certain Roy is a guarantee. The only one I feel has the best chance, even above other newcomers, is Mewtwo. Roy may or may not have to compete with other characters down the line (though he shouldn't need to). Dr. Mario being a costume would only work if they could change his special and properties, otherwise no dice.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Roy has serious competition with Chrome, and if not Chrome, Ike still wants his warranted spot. Roy is 4th man for Fire Emblem.

 

[Starphoenix]

Roy has serious competition with Chrome, and if not Chrome, Ike still wants his warranted spot. Roy is 4th man for Fire Emblem.

Not really. If anyone has competition with Chrome it will be Ike. Even then I do not think there is any competition among any of them. Sakurai does not work the way many think he does.

 

[ChronoBound]

So Doc won't be a costume. Simply enough. I think he COULD possibly return if they want a 6th Mario character. I'd be much more cool with him than Waluigi, even if Doc is a clone.

People will probably hiss, but given a choice between Dr. Mario and Waluigi, I would easily take Dr. Mario

 

[Deleted member]

GO DOC!

 

[Deleted member]

@Pieman0920: I'll respond to your intros when I get home. They look very good.

 

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Mewtwo and Roy back, Doc and Pichu as alts, Young/Toon same difference, I think many would be pleased.

BWT speaking of Doc...

 

[yani]

So Doc won't be a costume. Simply enough. I think he COULD possibly return if they want a 6th Mario character. I'd be much more cool with him than Waluigi, even if Doc is a clone.

I agree. I feel like bringing him back is a safe way to bring Mario to 6 reps.

 

[Red(SP)]

I agree. I feel like bringing him back is a safe way to bring Mario to 6 reps.

Would there be any point in doing so?

 

[Diddy Kong]

Not really. If anyone has competition with Chrome it will be Ike. Even then I do not think there is any competition among any of them. Sakurai does not work the way many think he does.

Ike has had international releases, and has 2 games as the main character. Only Marth had more appearances, I sincerly hope Ike makes it again this time. But if not, Roy wouldn't be there either. it's either gonna be Marth and Chrome, and with 3 characters (imo the most likely scenario) Ike joins a second time (don't think he'll make it in the next one) and if we have 4, your boy can come.

@Red: Maybe to buff up the Mario roster yet a second time? I'd rather have an original as Toad, Paper Mario or Bowser Jr., but I'll take Doc over Waluigi...

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

@yani: I don't. If Doc DOES come back, it'll shoot down any of Paper Mario's chances. Doc would be best as an alt, but unfortunately, that won't be happening.

 

[Shorts]

Hah, and you criticized me for doing the same thing with Saki Amamiya. At least I think it was you? Meh, I do not know anymore. My memory is slipping these days. Age you know.

I could have, it's been a long three years. BUT, the difference between Saki and Dixie, is we know Dixie was planned at one point. So I think it's possible that she had both a moveset planned and the trophy model that looks like old Diddy and DK was her actual model, not just made for a trophy.

Course, you're right, you can't BE SURE.

 

[yani]

Would there be any point in doing so?

So Nintendo's main squeeze is tied with Pokemon.

 

[Pieman0920]

Nintendo has a bias against Donkey Kong? Since when?

Also K.Rool is in the same league as Bowser and Ganondorf? Since when?


I don't think you need to include villains for a series for the sake of them being villains. K. Rool's not really that iconic, and I'd say the only thing he really has going for him is the odd popularity that he has (at least in the west...and at by popular I mean popular as a suggestion for Smash, not popular beyond that). As far as the DK series being balanced though, DK and Diddy do fine as they are.

And on the subject of Roy, I used to be against his inclusion in another game, but at this point I think it comes down to whatever situation Smash 4's development goes into. I don't believe that Roy is at the top of Sakurai's to do list, and I think the FE13 lord does have a better shot and that's even if you consider the FE series getting 3 characters. BUT I do think Roy would be at the top of the list if Sakurai finds himself with spare time to make clones like he did in Melee.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Huh, I never knew this song existed: http://www.youtube.com/v=3vSm2PyYMmg

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

So Nintendo's main squeeze is tied with Pokemon.

So why not give players a unique Mario in PM rather than a clone in Doc? Plus, iirc, Doc was the least popular clone that was planned.
Pieman: Since the fact that he's the DK series's main villain.