I think the height the acid will stop depends on the speed at which you see the acid level rise. I never had any problems with predicting what level the acid will go to.
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New Rule Pertaining To MK / Rainbow Cruise + Brinstar (?)
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I'm sorry, but did you just say you have no option and then point out, in the very next sentence, that you have another option that has baggage?
Dude, your concept is absolutely laughable. You want to take a system designed to givecharacters an advantage, and then make a surgical rule limiting which character is able to play on these stages. It doesn't even stop the problem in its current form. The only way to seriously address the problem with a similar rule is either to ban more stages and move this to another pair (let's face it, if we start banning more stages, then these are going to go quickly) or to expand on it. You either have to forbid the MK from going to more stages and leave him with essentially only starter stages to artificially buff certain characters in the match-up or ban MK from going certain stages in certain match-ups (a further implementation issue and an absolutely disgusting double standard). Let's face it, this rule is never going to reach the point where MK can be banned from picking FD against Wario and Game & Watch.
You're much better off further burying your standards and supporting the Brinstar/RCruise hate in order to try and get your bad idea implemented.
Sanji Himura
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Ultimately that is what it boils down to, and unfortunately, Texas is the training ground where a lot of these new rules get implemented.
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I don't really get why it is unfortunate.
I'd love more ruleset ideas gets some actual practical test, there are many that just aren't given any chance.
I'd love more ruleset ideas gets some actual practical test, there are many that just aren't given any chance.
Sync.
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Talking about the nation not just my region. I could ban him, but I don't want to because it'll effect our national performance!!!!!!!!!!1
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I feel that the only stages that should be legal are stages that can't kill any character when the characters are left on the spot they started the game on (after already banning stages with walkoffs and stages with caves of life).
Player-1
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legalize hanebow. dat jebus logic
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That stage is banned for other reasons. Same with Luigi's mansion and Skyworld since the caves of life aren't even permanent. Probably because of stalling
Just ignore the last sentence. I think he has a fair point.
I wouldn't say that. There's a certain amount of civility that should be expected from everyone. If multiple sentences attacked me as a person, then I would respond and bar them from any future conversation until they would be respectful people.This.
Rudeness is never justification for ignoring an argument.
Strongly disagreeing with someone's ideas is very different from attacking someone directly.
That last sentence is snarky, but a legitimate piece of advice. You've already admitted that you're going against what you think is best as far as competitive standard because you think that it negatively affects the community too much. If you honestly think you're going the right route with this, you're placing your values on the community and trying to build a game you like *better* than the current form. As such, you're much better off trying to utilize the stilted opinions instead of confronting them.
As for the first sentence, it's not me being rude, it's me being realistic. It is laughable and I did laugh at it when I first read this thread.
Let me get this directly on the table. I disagree with your approach. An MK Ban does come with baggage, that's a fact. However, I believe you target that baggage rather than trashing the ban. I am strongly of the opinion that an MK ban has not been given a chance to run its course before people have been jumping to these conclusions. We need the IMPULSE's and the WHOBO's before we pass that judgement. MK Ban originally came from TOs and regions who were willing to step out against the norm. People saw what they had and they liked it. It's still against the norm on the level of nationals, so you get your act together and give them something to look at. You're in TEXAS for God's sake. You have the ability to help and contribute to hosting these events that we need to see instead of doing this.
I am from ****ing Alabama, but I certainly believe that any group can move forward so long as they can attain the necessary structure and drive to do so. Let the community be divided for now. That's inevitable because no one likes change. If it cannot be fixed, then it cannot be fixed and I'll live with MK or I'll quit. However, I will not make a snap judgement on this based on assumptions drawn from a limited sample size.
Your rule not only is a terrible concept, as I mentioned in my previous post, but it makes me angry to see you openly sacrificing your standards.
This is a call-out. I know you're an intelligent person. If you want to talk to me about how to approach the problem or how I'm wrong, I can do it here or in private (it's your thread). I actually have plans to practice what I preach and they are moving forward already. You can help if you're interested.
In either case, I stand by my analysis of your rule and THAT I want you to address because, regardless of the state of the game and community, that is a concept that I do not like and will fight to see it not implemented.
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See, stances like that are why I applied for the BBR. I would enjoy the MU and stage discussion and be able to add to both sufficiently and proficiently, but it's stuff that actually moves things forward that I want the BBR to get behind. The people at the head need to be moving things forward. It ought not fall on the shoulders of those who have to work much harder in order to make a change.
However, as far as this thread goes, I'm off my soapbox about the community.
This is definitely true. You don't feed the troll. Those people simply looking to get under your skin can post a perfectly valid argument, but without standing to lose something serious, it's infinitely better to ignore them.
I have an edge, especially when it concerns something that I feel strongly about. I'm just a smartass by nature. However, there was nothing exceedingly venomous in my prior post and it is a very legitimate challenge to the rule he is trying to implement that I would prefer not to see swept under the rug.
Well that sucks. Civility is important, but if something can only be said in one distinct way to have any affect, then it should be considered.
I'm just not one to throw out an argument just because it had a bit of mudslinging in it.
Sanji Himura
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Because every TO in Texas has a different opinion as to how Brawl should be played. Me, for example, is pro-ban(after some convincing and internal debate, not by coercion like how the Unity Ruleset made it), but the next guy who could run their tournament 35 miles away could be anti-ban, but alters the stage list where Rainbow Cruise and Brinstar are banned stages.
You see what lawlessness will get you without some framework to guide TOs?
Okay,... so, everything needs to be the same. Is that what you're saying?
Player-1
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lol what? Clearly doesn't know anything about how the URS was made lolz
Ruinn
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yes, yes, yes, yes, I love this rule.
Sanji Himura
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That is not what I am saying at all. Enforcing a recommended ruleset is one of the better parts of the game management. Allow for some regional differences or one or two tournaments that lead up to majors that share the major ruleset, sure. Other than that, I do not think that new TOs who wish to organize a tournament should go unprepared by not having somewhat of a standard that everyone agrees to, not forced like the URC ruleset.
The URC would have been fine if it was a recommended ruleset, seeing as there was a lot of things that I agree with personally, however the instant when it was forced on the community was the moment where things went wrong.
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Lol, you're still saying this after Japan stomped us at APEX?
I mean, -I- got scrooged at APEX. I am not impressed.
You get a diverse game with eclectic features?
Seriously though, Japan "stomped us" at APEX. That tournament's top three was MK, MK, and MK. What are you pointing at? Nieotono and Brood? Ocean? I JUST popped off about small sample size, so what are you trying to say with this?
Player-1
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Yea Nietono used so much MK at Apex right?
Seriously though, Japan "stomped us" at APEX. That tournament's top three was MK, MK, and MK. What are you pointing at? Nieotono and Brood? Ocean? I JUST popped off about small sample size, so what are you trying to say with this?
Anyone who says Japan stomped us doesn't know how a bracket works at all. Imagine if Ocean had to face ADHD before getting to M2K?
The only one that wound up being undefeated in bracket was Otori, and its not like he stomped Nairo by going to game 5.
Its really one thing to really prefer Japanese styles ruleset, but I think its incredibly stupid for people to switch over just because Otori scored a couple of reads over Nairo to win the set.
I don't see where you're getting with quoting me.
Unless I'm confusing Nieotono's placing with Kakera's.
Unless I'm confusing Nieotono's placing with Kakera's.
That's what's going on, yes.
Then it was what: Otori, Nieotono, Nairo, ESAM, Kakera/ADHD?
allshort17
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5th:Kakera/AllyThen it was what: Otori, Nieotono, Nairo, ESAM, Kakera/ADHD?
7th:ADHD/Razor
Thanks much, I knew ADHD didn't sound right, but I couldn't figure out who else was 5th.
Sanji Himura
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Essentially it was. You wouldn't get any prime tournament advertising(i.e. A sticky on Smashboards or having your tournament as a featured tournament on AiB) unless you ran the Unity ruleset before the committee disbanded. Even MikeHaze, who was a part of it himself, admitted that you had to run Unity to get that prime advertising. Then Apex came along and forced the committee to disband because they saw that enforcing a national standard isn't going to do them any favors in the long run.
Look, I can go 15 rounds with this if I have to.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD11l3omQzM
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This. This and the fact some rules are getting actual testing.
This community lacks of the performance/implementation of new ideas.
John12346
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People are still using that video...?
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13578522&postcount=695
(There's supposed to be two pictures there but imageshack crapped out on one of them, but you can still get the point from the remaining one...)
Bobwithlobsters
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Also I don't see how not providing a privilege counts as forcing... Also that wasn't the urc's doing in the first place I believe. It was actually from higher up. And even then after a short while they eliminated that rule, and then they got disbanded for some reason. Not seeing their forceful dictatorship.