[Nesu] It's so deserted here I could find Criminal Caterpillars. (Post here if you're cool)

[Screk]

I'm American an a ness main get at me

 

[Nido]

Pls Screk, I'm Aussie and not a Ness main, get at me

 

[I.S FoxMkloud]

I ain't even one of you Aussies or Americans and I ain't even a Ness main. Get at me

 

[Screk]

My face to all of you

 

[Nido]

Wtf is up with Toon Link?

 

[Luco]

afaik = 'As far as I know' Yoshi ^_^

And i'm Aussie and Ness is my co-main, so.... maybeeee?

 

[Screk]

Don't listen to Luco he's nuts

 

[I.S FoxMkloud]

I stopped listening to that Aussie long time ago joking joking, no hard feelings right?

 

[Luco]

Only if I can be top 5 ness.

Jokes. :D

(Hehe don't worry Fox )

 

[I.S FoxMkloud]

By the way, that TL.... TL must be purged.... His eyes are too big!

 

[P.I.E.]

Hope you guys are doing well!~

 

[Luco]

PIE!!!!

It's been so long man.... ;_;

 

[I.S FoxMkloud]

What's with all the oldies coming back and making a post? Fox Board had that happen too lol. Not saying it is a bad thing lol.
What do you guys think of Ness vs. ICs guys? Do you feel that Ness have a harder time facing ICs than what MU chart is indicating when playing against ICs?

 

[Tikao]

ok, there are 4 menus to choose here at the hospital every day
one is steak (tomorrow) .... BUT in the menu with steak is something with lactose ....... sooooo i have to choose a diffrent menu
steak is without lactose and i still can't eat it ;___;
the inner Ness of me died a little bit
oh, same goes with omlett in 2 days, so my inner Lucas will die a little bit too
oh and no lasagne yesterday... so the inner myself died a little bit

BUT someone will visit me tomorrow, with a tv and his wii ... and brawl :D YEAH SSBB

 

[Screk]

This pretty much

Don't get grabbed

 

[I.S FoxMkloud]

Haha that's a good news that someone will visit you with TV, Wii and SSBB!
Well, as for your inner PSI-kid
@Screk, lol seems like Ness can be good against ICs may be I should drop MK and pick up Ness or something lol. Also Shaky's Ness is awesome!

 

[NAKAT]

Hey guys can you subscribe to my channel?
http://www.youtube.com/user/LeapofFaithNAKAT

 

[Screk]

I subscribe to Nakat cause I'm hip like that

 

[Tikao]

Ness is good at seperating IC, (nair is awesome) fair is good for outranging and shieldpoking (nana's shield = 6 frames later, so this is awesome in this mu) uair is awesome for juggling, when they're seperated
dair is just awesome for spiking nana or when they're at the edge (because nana climbs/attacks later ... don't know how to say that)
also pk-fire can be used at the edge, it'll set up the fire-pillar (like dair)
pk-fire is also awesome against neutral of IC, it sets up the fire-pillar and creates a wall
you can absorb IC's down-b for healing (and a awesome amount of that), this is also the only move of them with range, but its not reliable, this makes outranging IC easier)
and jabs are awesome, when they're close as a gtfo move

also Ness mains are used to theoretically being dead after one grab, so ICs are not that "special" ... so Ness' should already play the "don't get grabbed" game, also IC have (tied with ganon afaik) the lowest grabrange, and we totally outrange them with fair

can't watch the video (yeah 64kb/s), so i don't know if you can see this there, but this should be the main idea of the Ness-IC mu

 

[I.S FoxMkloud]

Well, seems like Ness have a better time playing against ICs from that vid. I don't know how it goes on top level but lol. Ness look cool

 

[P.I.E.]

Honestly, choosing ness for that matchup is tricky. Grabbing out of shield is their way to get you. Only use aerials you know you can angle away from their grab range if shielded. Idk if anyone uses pk jump (i havent paid attention to tournies in 6 months) but it's useful for things like this. You can space it really well and have time to react if they aim for your landing. to get out of the grab i just spam the c stick and taunt and is doesn't last long ( this may work more on inexperienced IC's rather than on someone that's gottem down packed) but usually in the sets i've been playing recently (playing lotsa of different people for a return to the competitive scene) IC's simply need to be kept out of grab range, meaning you should pick stages you can have the running advantage in (i.e. battlefield, lylat, ps1) because in places like fd and often SV, there's almost always one place and one way to land when you're out of jumps. Grab armor isn't something to be scoffed at, so just know their grab statistics (range, frame hit, ending lag) and make a list of options before you play. Anything else is usually obvious, getting them offstage, separation, etc. but what helps is thinking of exactly what ways you can get them offstage without them f***ing you over and grabbing you. You can't truly play campy with ness unfortunately, and you can't be agressive without screwing up, so you've just got to keep a healthy pressure to the point where they don't think they can create a chance to grab you. Whether it's because you're doing strings like (shfair moving away -> shorthop+airdodge) or (backwards pkjump off the edge -> magnet to the ledge), even the cute little arc of thunder we defend with on the ledge, so long as you find a way to land that doesn't put you in their range. I know this sounds basic, but its importance is understated.


Like, even making notes charts and graphs formulating options, patterns, and lines of attacks are useful, because work out of the game is a bit more important than actually playing endless matches. You've got to always have a plan and some backup plans.

 

[Reckless4Christ]

You guys...I missed way too much...and btw, ICs are easy...kinda...

 

[I.S FoxMkloud]

Omg wall-of-text but thanks for info! Should help me decide lol.

 

[P.I.E.]

Well in theory, it'd be more advantageous to go for mk.... j/s

 

[I.S FoxMkloud]

Well, my MK was just for ICs and doubles and I think it may suffice against inexperienced ICs but I don't know about mid level players... Anyways, Ness seems really fun to use after watching Shaky lol.

 

[Tikao]

Ness always seems really fun to use after watching shaky
and he is

 

[P.I.E.]

After watching a nice combo video, it's good xD back in the day, this always inspired me. I taught me to never give up ness.

 

[yoshi8984]

PIE! :D

And that combo video OMG I wish I was involved in the community earlier xD
(Then again I was only 11 in 2009... LOL)

 

[I.S FoxMkloud]

let's see... that makes you......... 15? Anyways, better than me getting introduced to Smash at the end of 2012 and then getting involved in the community in 2013 lol

 

[yoshi8984]

let's see... that makes you......... 15? Anyways, better than me getting introduced to Smash at the end of 2012 and then getting involved in the community in 2013 lol

I played Brawl since Day 1 but didn't go to my first tourney until June 2012 LOL

 

[I.S FoxMkloud]

lol, I am yet to go to tourneys and compete but I have been to one of them smashfests. Supposedly, Ohio is not a strong area but people there still 2 stock'd and at times 3 stock'd me (when they picked some chars that I did not watch videos of, such as C.Falcon and other "exotic" chars. I did way better against MK, and Olimar lol). I wonder how good people from other states are going to be when I actually can attend tourneys.

 

[Susi]

Im from Finland.

If ICs up-b the ledge, PK Fire Jane and Tarzan is in problems.

 

[Luco]

Ahh gosh, that video was pretty awesome.

Ness combo video. guys I actually wanna do this! Lets make a community Ness combo vid for 2013, there just needs to be one. JAMWA YOU ARE NEEDED!! <3

 

[Tikao]

have to improve first
nothing is worse than bad combo's in brawl, so i need good combos, so i need to improve
sry :/

 

[Luco]

Don't worry, just send in your best combo vids. You don't even have to be fantastic (I know i'm not) for you to have had some fantastic moments.

And to expand on the idea I also vote we include Lucas as part of our original 'PSI brothers' combo vid idea. :o

 

[Tikao]

i still need fantastic moments xD
and it can be a lucas and ness psi-brother combo video, but we need enough Ness/Lucas mainer anyway .... and the good ones like shaky

BUT whats more important ... we need a new active skype-group ... this would cause a more active ness&lucas community, and thats how the metagame developes (especially because Ness and Lucas are both not thaaaaaat great, but both have potential to be great)

 

[Luco]

Hey Tikao look you're lucky, you're part of the thread title! <3

But yep, i'm a Lucas/Ness mainer and i'm kinda-maybe-somewhat-slightly good so maybe I should be able to send in some really neat stuff. I'll also ask around for someone to do editing for us. In the meantime, focus on creating and looking for your best moments guys!

 

[I.S FoxMkloud]

Ness combo video? I is skeptikal.... Seriously though, Shaky's Ness seems to be better than FOW's imo. And is this combo video going to be community one?

 

[Tikao]

ok, uair goes through shuttleloop and nado, if spaced correctly ... both from above
uair <3

 

[Screk]

Fow doesn't main Ness anymore from what MGJ told me. I could be wrong