My Little Pony General

[john!]

ANYPONY would have lost them the game, but only dash had the CHANCE to lose the game for everypony. that doesn't make dash any worse or any better, it just means that discord chose to give her a chance he didn't give the other ponies. really simple, guys.

 

[Espy Rose]

It doesn't make her any worse, but it doesn't mean the truth isn't any less true, john.
Dash lost the game for the rest of the group. Really simple.

What a feeder.

 

[Leaf.]

Okay well again, if you are in a panic because the place you love is about to be destroyed, and you thought you had the means to save it, AND he took the element keeping you tied to your friends, not EVERYONE can stay calm enough to think about a situation.

 

[Ryo242]

Also, Rarity resisting the diamond, even just for a moment AFTER SHE GOT HYPNOTIZED, proves that they could still fight back. Dash just didn't.

How would you react to seeing your hometown crumbling? Which is very possible considering that clouds were turning into cotton candy and sensical things were falling apart. Apart from that, the opposite of loyalty would be abandonment, and the only way that would be shown would be to choose something more "pressing" over the current task.

 

[Espy Rose]

It.
Doesn't.
Matter.
Leaf/Ryo.

lol.

Dash lost the game for them. She's the reason they lost. Nothing you say can refute that claim.

 

[Reizilla]

I think you mean more "selfish."

 

[Ryo242]

ANYPONY would have lost them the game, but only dash had the CHANCE to lose the game for everypony. that doesn't make dash any worse or any better, it just means that discord chose to give her a chance he didn't give the other ponies. really simple, guys.

That's what I said a while back. She's the only one given the choice. No other pony was given a chance to break the no-wings no-magic rule, and then brainwashed.

 

[Leaf.]

-Loyalty isn't the most important.

I'm pretty sure that once Honesty was lost, the game went on.

 

[ToferTheHuman]

She's easy, we already established that, Ryo.
Tofer's saying that Discord manipulated Rarity in the exact same way that he did Rainbow Dash.

Yes, that is what I am saying.
Since Leaf is trying to say that Dash is completely useless.

Also, Rarity resisting the diamond, even just for a moment AFTER SHE GOT HYPNOTIZED, proves that they could still fight back, and also proves that they have free will post-hypnotize.

Dash just happened to not try, apparently.

And again my point.

<3 Espy

 

[~automatic]

Only Dashie was presented with a choice that would cost everypony the game. IE, get your wings back. And even then Discord took her element of loyalty to insure dash made the wrong choice for the game.

And loyalty isn't the most important since they're equally important but not equally powerful.

 

[Cherished Doll]

It doesn't make her any worse, but it doesn't mean the truth isn't any less true, john.
Dash lost the game for the rest of the group. Really simple.

What a feeder.

K agreed

 

[Ryo242]

It.
Doesn't.
Matter.
Leaf/Ryo.

lol.

Dash lost the game for them. She's the reason they lost. Nothing you say can refute that claim.

I agree. She did. I'm just giving a plausible cause that doesn't show that she's a terrible character. We're defending her because we are loyal to her character and that she also has been wronged in this situation, thus speaking out is one of the natural ways to defend.

 

[Espy Rose]

I love how well Auto, Leaf, and Ryo are ignoring the fact.
Justify it all you want, it's still fact. Dash cost them the game. The End.

And funny enough, she chose Cloudsdale over Equestria, in which Cloudsdale resides. Way to break it, hero.

@Auto: You can't have something be EQUALLY IMPORTANT to something else if it's STRONGER than that something else.

@Ryo: That is the worst reply I've seen yet.

 

[vZakat]

There has to be a song in the second episode. If pinkie doesn't sing when she gets her laughter back, I'll be shocked and dissapony.

@Rei - I'd like to have a pony meet up with you but if you were to ask any of the smashers here you'd know that I am often busy. I'll do my best though. You should talk to phoot.

 

[Ryo242]

I love how well Auto, Leaf, and Ryo are ignoring the fact.
Justify it all you want, it's still fact. Dash cost them the game.

And funny enough, she chose Cloudsdale over Equestria, in which Cloudsdale resides.

@Auto: You can't have something be EQUALLY IMPORTANT to something else if you NEED it's POWER.

@Ryo: That is the worst reply I've seen yet.

I try. ^-^

 

[ToferTheHuman]

I think you mean more "selfish."

Wouldn't that be Rarity's

 

[Leaf.]

Since Leaf is trying to say that Dash is completely useless.

How.

And the camera wasn't on Dash as she left, you have no idea how long it took her to make her choice or if she resisted.

 

[BSP]

Ok dash lost the game for them, yes, no way around that

 

[Espy Rose]

Ok dash lost the game for them, yes, no way around that

Don't tell them that, or they'll keep justifying it no matter how irrelevant it is.

 

[Geoberos]

Twilight wasn't directly targeted.
Rarity really doesn't need her horn in this situation.

Fluttershy doesn't completely adore flying.
Rainbow Dash was the last to be hit, and to be the final trigger in the Discord's plot

When breaking stuff, break everything before "end game" I suppose

 

[ToferTheHuman]

How.

And the camera wasn't on Dash as she left, you have no idea how long it took her to make her choice or if she resisted.

You're trying to say that she had no free will when she was given the option of leaving.

 

[Ryo242]

Don't tell them that, or they'll keep justifying it no matter how irrelevant it is.

I've already agreed that because Dash left, the game was lost.

I STILL JUSTIFY THE MEANS THOUGH. Just because the world is written in black and white doesn't mean you can't zoom out and see the gray.

 

[Leaf.]

I'm AWARE that Dash cost the damn game. I never ONCE said that it was not rainbow dash that cost the game.

But what I'm trying to say that it was not DIRECTLY her fault, it was Discord controlling her emotions.

 

[Espy Rose]

Leaf, make a decision. Either she did or didn't have freedom. You were arguing that she had no will, yet you just implied that she could have.
Say one or the other. If she didn't have will, prove it, because Rarity's resistance post-hypnosis supports the idea that she DEFINITELY had the potential for free will.

 

[Cherished Doll]

Dash is still hella amazing tho

 

[Espy Rose]

Eh, she's kinda a *****.

 

[BSP]

Dash is the rash one though, so I don't see what we're trying to get to

 

[Ryo242]

I suppose this sets up a good lesson about forgiving your friends when they can't live up to their promised potential.

 

[ToferTheHuman]

I have said it before, Dash gets away with being a ***** SO much.

 

[Leaf.]

I've been convinced on the fact that it wasn't FULL control of her.

Also, he didn't use hypnosis on Rarity, he just stole her element. Dash was physically hypnotized, as seen by the cute little animation in her eyes.

And why don't you prove that she DID have will? Discord may have said he gave it to her, but he's a villain and it's shown that he likes toying with his victims before finishing them.

 

[Reizilla]

There has to be a song in the second episode. If pinkie doesn't sing when she gets her laughter back, I'll be shocked and dissapony.

@Rei - I'd like to have a pony meet up with you but if you were to ask any of the smashers here you'd know that I am often busy. I'll do my best though. You should talk to phoot.

Phoot, snatch Zakat and come meet up with me.

Wouldn't that be Rarity's

Choosing something personal to you over the world is still very selfish.

 

[ToferTheHuman]

He hypnotized her, you even saw the swirls in her eyes.
She shut her eyes and turned away trying to walk away.
She DID have free will.

Opposite of generosity is selfishness/greeed

 

[Geoberos]

Dischord was in the reflection of the three diamonds (Rarity's cutie mark) on the stone wall.

 

[NinjaFoxX]

its more..
Dash had a choice that would break the game, chose wrong.
all elements are equally important, magic just relies on the others.

 

[Espy Rose]

Holy **** Leaf.
Rarity got the animation too. It's in the episode.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ndDCxQsbvk#t=2m50s

 

[~automatic]

@Leaf: Dash always had her will. No one forced her to take her wings or betray the group.

@Espy: Only Dashie was presented with a choice that would cost everypony the game. IE, get your wings back. And even then Discord took her element of loyalty to insure dash made the wrong choice for the game.

@ rarity talk: http://youtu.be/eR_XehGlyf4?t=16m25s

 

[Espy Rose]

Wow Auto. Are you ignoring what I'm saying? Because that's what it feels like.

Dash broke the game. Dash had the potential for free will when breaking the game.
Stop justifying the fact, because it doesn't matter.

 

[Ryo242]

its more..
Dash had a choice that would break the game, chose wrong.
all elements are equally important, magic just relies on the others.

Didn't he even say she'd choose wrong, though in all fairness we're not sure which choice is "right". :/ Damn morality and such, considering Cloudsdale for all we knew could be falling apart, even though the instant reaction of her leaving the game was that they would lose.

But without the element of loyalty, she had no reason to stay in the first place. :/ Hm..

 

[Flutter NiTE]

<3

 

[john!]

I love how well Auto, Leaf, and Ryo are ignoring the fact.
Justify it all you want, it's still fact. Dash cost them the game. The End.

And funny enough, she chose Cloudsdale over Equestria, in which Cloudsdale resides. Way to break it, hero.

ugh, not only do you not realize that costing them the game DOES NOT make her a worse pony than the others (because they would have done the same thing), but you are nerd enough to make a ****ing portal reference AND YOU DON'T EVEN SAY IT RIGHT.

i'm too upset to post. i think i'm going to lie down for a bit.