Most Tech Skill Chars.....

[Acryte]

fox
cool samus tech skill, now try that **** in game and see if you dont get ****-stomped.

insert mikenasty here.

 

[Doc King]

Zelda can do a cool technique (similar to Fox and Falco) where you can cancel some of the up B frames. So Zelda should be about where she is.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

Zelda can do a cool technique (similar to Fox and Falco) where you can cancel some of the up B frames. So Zelda should be about where she is.

this right here is why you are going to be the 1st and only person on my irgone list yeah I spelled it wrong.it isn't even semi hard I did it just simplely by seeing it done by someone else same for fox/falco stall for the most part you press down and then up and then B timing isn't hard.

 

[thechunkylover]

1. Jigglypuff

lolol

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

My lists plus reasoning.
if we are talking about within human reason and not as in being extremely useful like Ice climbers moonwalk or crazy air de-synces and etc.
1. Ice Climbers (only charcter who has tech skill so high mere humans can't do stuff harder than the hardest fox stuff)
2. Fox(a tad faster than falco plus SHDL)
3. Falco(timing and being perfect for sheild pressure is harder than most smaus tech skill that is without pressure)
4. Samus(just spread out in different dumb timings)
5. Ness(only higher than yoshi for yoyo glitch plus recovery isn't 100% easy)
6. yoshi(this is the drop off I feel for being extremely hard to be like sexy with tech skill besides maybe falcon however he's mostly combo/moonwalk sexiness)
7. Falcon( being sexy isn't easy)
8. peach(JC stuff plus other crap I hate)
9. m2(JC isn't like incrediblely hard but important for combos plus edge stalling and platform canceling up-B I somewhat want to force m2 waaaaaaaaaaaydown)
10. pichu( sheild pressure, harder than most recoveries to master pichu has wall jumps plus double up-B so it's much harder than piakchu's recovery then twice the up-B tricks on stage as pikachu has I struggle with this tech skill more than other tech skill even as a main)
11. luigi(double air SHFFl plus WL bunos game)
12. marth(same as luigi)
13. dr. mario(everything mario has minus wall jump plus up-B cancel in real play mario is harder but his limit isn't as high)
14. mario(WL fireballs/bair, recovery)
15. sheik(up-B stall, needles, up-B to edge, DD)
16. pikachu(half pichu up-B stuff minus wall jump a bit faster up-B, maybe pikachu should be higher than the marios i'm not totally sure)
17. Y. link
18. Link
19. roy
20. gannon
21. puff(spacing isn't uber easy)
22. bowser
23. DK
24. G&W
25. kirby
26. zedla



Real play I think this is closer
1. Fox
2. Falco
3. Ness
4. yoshi
5. Falcon
6. ice climbers
7. Samus
8. m2
9. peach
10. pichu
11. luigi
12. marth
13. mario
14. dr. mario
15. sheik
16. pikachu
17. Y. link
18. Link
19. roy
20. gannon
21. puff
22. bowser
23. DK
24. G&W
25. zedla
26. kirby

 

[DippnDots]

I think ganons "tech skill" lies in the fact that his windows are very very very small. Mainly thinking about his ledge game here.

 

[leffen]

Yoshi have to play way more technical than Falco and Fox. ( Though ******** mutlishines/shinelands keep the tas level higher ).

You guys dont even know **** about him

(oh and for those who think they know, V3ctorman doesnt use any of the really technical parts ).

 

[Leviathan741]

Yoshi have to play way more technical than Falco and Fox. ( Though ******** mutlishines/shinelands keep the tas level higher ).

You guys dont even know **** about him

(oh and for those who think they know, V3ctorman doesnt use any of the really technical parts ).

o i c you play brawl, no wonder you can't tell if yoshi or fox has more tech skill.

 

[Nø Ca$h]

marth can be pretty technical
double fair, fair-uair, fair-bair, fair-fwd b-fair, ect.
ledge hop double fair
ledge hop shield breaker/uair regrab
dtilt iasa
ect

 

[GawdImFoxy]

Ice Climbers don't require that much tech skill really. Fox and Falco are first. Then you have like... Ice Kids and Samus in there, and if your tech skill is lackluster, don't even TRY to play Falcon. Try tech chasing without it.

Then Ryu. JKJKLOL

 

[Mind Trick]

o i c you play brawl, no wonder you can't tell if yoshi or fox has more tech skill.

lol good jokes mayne

Back to the old argument that has been brought up in every one of these threads, do you define 'most tech skill char' as the character that CAN be played with very fast complicated techniques or that NEEDS to be played utilizing the most technical features the character has in order to be competitive.

You're probably thinking of can, leffen is thinking of need. You can't be a competitive Yoshi without his technical tricksies, you can be a competitive Fox without utilizing silly stuff like waveshine OoS (although I'm not saying it don't help the punish game).

That said though, most people here wouldn't even know what a parry djl dsmash or something is, I can tell you it definitely warrants Yoshi in the top 5 or so. And no ICG, you can't put Ness over Yoshi.

 

[leffen]

ye read the post dammitt -.-

Yeah most people dont know **** about yoshi, he has some really frame perfect things that are awesome etc, where fox and falco have huge windows.
And most times, if yoshi makes a mistake = death or sooo much dmg.
I could do a looong writeup but i cba, people wouldnt understand any of it anyways.

 

[Geist]

List some of those frame perfect things?
From most metagame relevance to least.

Or are they all gimicks? Because spacies have a certain constant tech skill demand that other characters don't have.

 

[V3ctorMan]

Yoshi is technically demanding.. he's fun too <3

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

sorry I forgot about parrying and stuff like that.

 

[Geist]

Yeah Yoshi and the rest of the djcers are demanding, but not as much as spacies.
How many frames is parrying? I forget.

 

[Leviathan741]

lol good jokes mayne

Back to the old argument that has been brought up in every one of these threads, do you define 'most tech skill char' as the character that CAN be played with very fast complicated techniques or that NEEDS to be played utilizing the most technical features the character has in order to be competitive.

You're probably thinking of can, leffen is thinking of need. You can't be a competitive Yoshi without his technical tricksies, you can be a competitive Fox without utilizing silly stuff like waveshine OoS (although I'm not saying it don't help the punish game).

That said though, most people here wouldn't even know what a parry djl dsmash or something is, I can tell you it definitely warrants Yoshi in the top 5 or so. And no ICG, you can't put Ness over Yoshi.

Well in order to simplify this, I am thinking of things that "NEEDS to be played ulitlzing the most technical features the character has in order to be competitive." The thing is Yoshi is not on the same level as a spacie when it comes to that, but to say that he requires "MOOOOOORRRRREEEEE" than falco and fox??????? that is ridiculous to say the very least.

 

[0Dozzer0]

There are many major questions here that need to be answered before someone can really make a list without dispute. Basically:

-Who has the most tech skills that can be performed (Not really major but adds a small weight factor)
-Who has the best tech skills (When successfully performed how well it eliminates the stock, or how much percentage can be tacked on)
-Who has the most difficult tech skills to perform perfectly 100% of the time (How much practice needs to be put into the specific character)
-How much will the character be punished with a missed tech (Basically how much does the character rely on its tech-ing skills to win a match?)


Top Caharacter in my opinion (Without trying to be biased, since I use fox, I'm mostly using a lot of observation from tournament videos in my decision):

Fox:
Very high speed character, and gets punished pretty badly if he's not tech-ing flawless, but when flawless he's an almost unstoppable force. Also a lot of time needs to be dedicated to mastering him, if not be prepared to suicide A LOT. His tech skills are what give him the edge over any character, which is the main reason he is considered top 3 if not the top tier character.

Falco Second:
Close to the same reasons as fox.

 

[omgwtfToph]

fox, falco, samus, then a big drop-off. ic's aren't that technical lol.

 

[Leviathan741]

fox, falco, samus, then a big drop-off. ic's aren't that technical lol.

Once again Samus is being overrated....

 

[Roneblaster]

falcon tech skill is hard.

i dont see any of you playing falcon in tournament and doing well.

 

[Dark Hart]

falcon tech skill is hard.

i dont see any of you playing falcon in tournament and doing well.

the truest post smashboards has ever seen

 

[Cosmo!]

to do proper zelda spacing (which I never see anybody really do) you need a lot of tech skill. you need to squeeze every inch out of her movement options because there is no room for error when the character herself doesn't move naturally fast.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Oh, it's this thread again.

Topic summary for the next bunch of pages:

Some are gonna say that Samus and Ice Climbers are super technical. A bunch of people are going to say that a bunch of low tiers (namely ones with DJCs or terrible movement) require oodles of tech skill. We'll get the typical Fox, Falco, Peach response. In fact pretty much every character will be argued to require oodles of tech skill at some point in here except like Sheik and Jigglypuff. Maybe Marth too, not sure.

And then people will ask if we're talking about tech skill that helps your winning power, or tech skill that helps your fanbase.

Someone will try to be objective about this and say "APM = tech skill" but then that will probably fail because we don't actually have that much data on APM aside from a few select (popular) players. And that thread says that Peach, Falcon, Falco (player dependent), and Jigglypuff are in the same league of tech skill. Which is likely something people here won't accept so that will be ruled out quickly.

At some point we may or may not get a comparison of HugS to IHSB. With people saying that HugS does better but it's viable to play Samus as a technical, flashy beast. But then people will be like, "Yo dawg you make a decent point about how the fast style has some potential but IHSB does worse so it's more viable to use Samus as the slow, poking grinder she is therefore we should be using the most successful style as the tech skill standard".

Chu vs Wobbles may or may not surface in a similar style. Efficient players vs cool players presented as points of comparison will come up.

And we'll ultimately get nowhere past putting Fox at #1.

 

[DWiens421]

Oh, it's this thread again.

Topic summary for the next bunch of pages:

Some are gonna say that Samus and Ice Climbers are super technical. A bunch of people are going to say that a bunch of low tiers (namely ones with DJCs or terrible movement) require oodles of tech skill. We'll get the typical Fox, Falco, Peach response. In fact pretty much every character will be argued to require oodles of tech skill at some point in here except like Sheik and Jigglypuff. Maybe Marth too, not sure.

And then people will ask if we're talking about tech skill that helps your winning power, or tech skill that helps your fanbase.

Someone will try to be objective about this and say "APM = tech skill" but then that will probably fail because we don't actually have that much data on APM aside from a few select (popular) players. And that thread says that Peach, Falcon, Falco (player dependent), and Jigglypuff are in the same league of tech skill. Which is likely something people here won't accept so that will be ruled out quickly.

At some point we may or may not get a comparison of HugS to IHSB. With people saying that HugS does better but it's viable to play Samus as a technical, flashy beast. But then people will be like, "Yo dawg you make a decent point about how the fast style has some potential but IHSB does worse so it's more viable to use Samus as the slow, poking grinder she is therefore we should be using the most successful style as the tech skill standard".

Chu vs Wobbles may or may not surface in a similar style. Efficient players vs cool players presented as points of comparison will come up.

And we'll ultimately get nowhere past putting Fox at #1.

I'm new to this forum, but not new to forums in general, and I'm guessing this is 100% accurate.

 

[Beat!]

Oh, it's this thread again.

Topic summary for the next bunch of pages:

Some are gonna say that Samus and Ice Climbers are super technical. A bunch of people are going to say that a bunch of low tiers (namely ones with DJCs or terrible movement) require oodles of tech skill. We'll get the typical Fox, Falco, Peach response. In fact pretty much every character will be argued to require oodles of tech skill at some point in here except like Sheik and Jigglypuff. Maybe Marth too, not sure.

And then people will ask if we're talking about tech skill that helps your winning power, or tech skill that helps your fanbase.

Someone will try to be objective about this and say "APM = tech skill" but then that will probably fail because we don't actually have that much data on APM aside from a few select (popular) players. And that thread says that Peach, Falcon, Falco (player dependent), and Jigglypuff are in the same league of tech skill. Which is likely something people here won't accept so that will be ruled out quickly.

At some point we may or may not get a comparison of HugS to IHSB. With people saying that HugS does better but it's viable to play Samus as a technical, flashy beast. But then people will be like, "Yo dawg you make a decent point about how the fast style has some potential but IHSB does worse so it's more viable to use Samus as the slow, poking grinder she is therefore we should be using the most successful style as the tech skill standard".

Chu vs Wobbles may or may not surface in a similar style. Efficient players vs cool players presented as points of comparison will come up.

And we'll ultimately get nowhere past putting Fox at #1.

I've seen you do this once before. Why don't you make a "Common smash debates and how their discussion usually goes" thread?

 

[Roneblaster]

Oh, it's this thread again.

Topic summary for the next bunch of pages:

Some are gonna say that Samus and Ice Climbers are super technical. A bunch of people are going to say that a bunch of low tiers (namely ones with DJCs or terrible movement) require oodles of tech skill. We'll get the typical Fox, Falco, Peach response. In fact pretty much every character will be argued to require oodles of tech skill at some point in here except like Sheik and Jigglypuff. Maybe Marth too, not sure.

And then people will ask if we're talking about tech skill that helps your winning power, or tech skill that helps your fanbase.

Someone will try to be objective about this and say "APM = tech skill" but then that will probably fail because we don't actually have that much data on APM aside from a few select (popular) players. And that thread says that Peach, Falcon, Falco (player dependent), and Jigglypuff are in the same league of tech skill. Which is likely something people here won't accept so that will be ruled out quickly.

At some point we may or may not get a comparison of HugS to IHSB. With people saying that HugS does better but it's viable to play Samus as a technical, flashy beast. But then people will be like, "Yo dawg you make a decent point about how the fast style has some potential but IHSB does worse so it's more viable to use Samus as the slow, poking grinder she is therefore we should be using the most successful style as the tech skill standard".

Chu vs Wobbles may or may not surface in a similar style. Efficient players vs cool players presented as points of comparison will come up.

And we'll ultimately get nowhere past putting Fox at #1.

who the **** are you and how can you see into the future?

 

[KirbyKaze]

because SWF - MD is a predictable pile of trash

and nobody comes up with anything new

 

[Dark Hart]

I wish we could see the MBR, not post in it, just see it.

Or do the thing that BBR did way back when and move random threads from their BR to the discussion areas.

 

[Roneblaster]

because SWF - MD is a predictable pile of trash

and nobody comes up with anything new

truth, if I didn't have 18 other things i want to put in my sig i'd totally sig this.

 

[P.C. Jona]

how is anyone gonna say ic's is more technical then fox or falco

seriously you push way more buttons with them then stupid ic's

ic's is like wavedash >dsmash>lucky grab>wobble>dthrow upsmash

fox is like dair>double shine grab oos 25 jc shines>upsmash

 

[KirbyKaze]

nobody is going to argue ic more techy than fox/falco

except people that consider managing your nana as a tech skill because they're argue it's like micromanagement and being aware of everything going on

and they may also consider continuous desynchs and ledge chain grab proficiency / the harder infinites (blobble, etc) as technical skill which would give them more frame specific timings and button power than a normal fox

but then people will argue SUPER ACTION REPLAY FOX and fox will triumph

for he is fox mccloud



but nonetheless ics will see speculation as being extremely technical characters





i wonder if

:darc:

oh

 

[OkamiBW]

Samus
Yoshi
Fox and Falco
Others.

 

[ChivalRuse]

Yoshi
...
...
...
Peach
Fox
Falcon
Marth
Samus
Falco
Ness
Luigi
Sheik
Mewtwo
Etc.

 

[DippnDots]

Clearly G&W takes the most tech skill out of anybody, did you know you can make him ICE SKATE?

 

[SDC]

Mewtwo. If you don't have any techskill with mewtwo, not only is he impossible to play competitively, but if you make a single error with any of his techs, you basically lose a stock.
If you wish to play mewtwo at a competitive level, you must learn and perfect his techs.

 

[KirbyKaze]

dance, puppets, dance!

 

[MacD]

for he is fox mccloud



but nonetheless ics will see speculation as being extremely technical characters





i wonder if

:darc:

oh

i love you

 

[VGmasta]

doc draws no use from pill waveland

False. Dr. Mario has uses from wavelanding pills.

Doc can up-b cancel.... that's more technical than bair waveland >_>

Agreed.

 

[P.C. Jona]

doc up b cancel is stupid easy

its that no one really showed good instructions on how to do it

bair waveland isnt hard either

theres nothing technical about doc

spam down smash and pills

upsmash oos

bair cape win