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Source=/=automatically legit.wretched said:Meatriding
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Source=/=automatically legit.wretched said:Meatriding
Let us put it this way, you are attempting to draw a conclusion from studies relating to different games.Yeah
I'm riding japans small meat
I don't have to have two comparable case studies to say that they reach a higher level of gaming than us.
That was just an immature retaliation.
I can pretty much just figure that out
I still don't get why you're assuming that I am using street fighter as an example. I'm not using m2k and brood as an example either, still.Let us put it this way, you are attempting to draw a conclusion from studies relating to different games.
Saying "Well since the Japanese outperform the Americans in SSF4, they must do so with Brawl."
Wait what?
So no, you don't have two comparable case studies.
Just because your molecular compound contains the exact same composition doesn't mean you will obtain the same effect when the orientation is 180 degrees.
Prove the obvious?Oh? Proof?
Yes, because when I state "most of their characters' metagames are better envolved" I actually meant "OMG BROOD BEAT ALLEH AND FREE2KING OMG HE DA BESS!!11one".No seriously, because at th emoment I genuinely think you're just suffering the typical knee-jerk reaction.
OH LOOK A JAPANESE OLIMAR DEFEATED M2K! INDICATION THEIR METAGAME IS MORE DEVELOPED THAN OURS!
THEY ARE BETTER PLAYERS! YES YES YES OH YES!
Losing a disadvantaged match-up against the best player of a character is "failing" now? A players' performance is based on his wins on losses and Brood's are better than any other Olimar, except Nietono who is considered the best Olimar in Japan. That's all I'm saying about Brood - not more, not less.Oh but wait Larry was the one that won the tournament not Brood.
Its very very easy to point out how soooo good something is by ignoring the fails.
Yes, which is why I distance myself from such arguments.By no means am I saying the Japanese players are not skilled, but to make a blanket statement based on less than a handful of players in the course of ONE TOURNAMENT is stupid.
Rofl. Lets play this game.Prove the obvious?
That they have the two [or maybe more] best Pits, that their average Snake is a lot better than anywhere else, that they have the two best Olimars, that they have the best ROB, that the ICs over there are actually winning stuff, that their Diddy Kongs are beast despite their opponents being able to infinite them, that they have the best Sheik, that they don't lose to gimmicks like ZSS, G&W, Pikachu and DK, that they have the same amount of legit Fox, Toon Link, Peach, Ike and Wario players despite having only a fraction of people playing? And still have an army of MK mains and pocket MKs? That their best Falco rivals the best in the US?
Which one do you want me to prove? I can easily prove all of that in detail if you absolutely want me to.
You're missing Ike and Snake (if you are including Canada) from that list, probably Bowser as well.Rofl. Lets play this game.
In that case USA/Europe is better because:
- We (= both USA and Europe) have the best Marth
- We have the best MK
- We have the best ZSS
- We have the best GW
- We have the best Donkey
- We have the best Sonic
- We have the best PT
- We have the best Ness
- We have the best Falco
- We have the best Peach (Peach is severely underplayed in Japan btw, we dont have the same amount of people at all)
- We dont lose to gimmicky characters such as Pit and Zelda
I dont like this logic at all.
1.) Sonic, PT and Ness are so irrelevant that it doesn't really matter because of how bad they are. Also, I don't think you even know the names of their best Ness and PT let alone having seen them. You have no basis for such a claim.Rofl. Lets play this game.
In that case USA/Europe is better because:
- We (= both USA and Europe) have the best Marth
- We have the best MK
- We have the best ZSS
- We have the best GW
- We have the best Donkey
- We have the best Sonic
- We have the best PT
- We have the best Ness
- We have the best Falco
- We have the best Peach (Peach is severely underplayed in Japan btw, we dont have the same amount of people at all)
- We dont lose to gimmicky characters such as Pit and Zelda
I dont like this logic at all.
You've never heard of Selcia? Japan has more good Ike's then the US has [even if none of them are on San's level, at least one of them comes close to him].You're missing Ike and Snake (if you are including Canada) from that list, probably Bowser as well.
Just looking at their position in their tier list says enough.1.) Sonic, PT and Ness are so irrelevant that it doesn't really matter because of how bad they are. Also, I don't think you even know the names of their best Ness and PT let alone having seen them. You have no basis for such a claim.
Having seen their vids and some of their results, they really arent incredibly impressive.2.) Peach isn't that underplayed, I don't know why you as a Peach main think so. There are at least 4 Peach mains doing well in tournament on a regular basis [White, Kii, Ma-tan and Yukke] and their overall level easily matches the better US Peaches. EU only has Leon anyways who doesn't use her as much anymore.
She's 18th on the tier list, outplacing Kirby, Pikachu and Peach. That means something.3.) Japan doesn't lose to Zelda wtf are you talking about.
And we cant say that about GW/ZSS/Donkey Kong?And Pit isn't a gimmick - bad players just make him look like he is but the good Pit players [aka Earth and Masashi] don't rely on gimmicks ever. He's just really good and underrated.
It probably only matters if Japan has the upper hand.4.) Falco is true, MK possibly is but as crazy as it sounds you shouldn't take it for granted. I'll give you DK, ZSS and G&W, not like it matters...
I'm going to go out on a limb here, and say that I, as an Ike main-make that somebody who has been maining Ike since day 1-knows more about what a good Ike looks like than somebody who doesn't use Ike, and IIRC claimed that Ike loses against Snake something stupid like 2-8. The Japanese Ikes try to go for things they shouldn't go for, don't play it as safe as they could, and end up taking damage for it. Saying that the Japanese Ikes are that good would be as stupid as claiming that Inui has a good Ike, even though he plays Ike like it's early 2008.As much as I respect Mr. Doom I can't believe that you as an Ike player earnestly think that he is better than Japan's best Ike.
The "flashy" argument has never worked anyway - before RAIN came to Apex he was considered flashy and gimmicky. Before Mr.R started to beat player from North America he was considered flashy and gimmicky. Now they are beyond any doubt easily top 3 players of there characters. I think you confuse "flashy" with "clean" because technical execution is one thing japanese players seem to excel at. If the japanese Ike's look flashy in your eyes, then it's probably just because they visually impress you of how good they are.
Also, the Ike list is more like San / Selcia > Rydle > Mr. Doom
Let us put it this way, you are attempting to draw a conclusion from studies relating to different games.
Saying "Well since the Japanese outperform the Americans in SSF4, they must do so with Brawl."
Wait what?
So no, you don't have two comparable case studies.
Just because your molecular compound contains the exact same composition doesn't mean you will obtain the same effect when the orientation is 180 degrees.
Not street fighter. It's that they're playing a very, VERY different game.I still don't get why you're assuming that I am using street fighter as an example. I'm not using m2k and brood as an example either, still.
I'm drawing from my own speculation, since we don't know much about the japanese, that they are better at smash because they are better at EVERY GAME THAT ISN'T A SHOOTER. That is a widely considered fact. That was the purpose of my other question.
buthay, I bet if they only used fox, falco, and wolf, we'd whoop them with our amazing lazor gun actions
OSHI- They have fox on high for some reason.
: D
"Being forced to play on your character's worst stages every match" is, IMO, a very, very legitimate john. And if you're able to win despite that, well then...thought i read somewhere that m2k will visit japan and brawl with their best someday (dont remember , just recall him postin this) we'll see what happens then. if m2k loses its cause the ruleset "fails", if he wins japan is trash. im callin it.
Whoever made the OP clearly forgot to add Sheik to Zelda. It made Zelda look better than she actually is, but he must have completely forgot because no where else on the list is another slash.D
Zelda / Kirby Pikachu Peach Ike Sheik Wolf
What about Zelda then?Whoever made the OP clearly forgot to add Sheik to Zelda. It made Zelda look better than she actually is, but he must have completely forgot because no where else on the list is another slash.
What are you talking about?1.) Sonic, PT and Ness are so irrelevant that it doesn't really matter because of how bad they are. Also, I don't think you even know the names of their best Ness and PT let alone having seen them. You have no basis for such a claim.
Your ego is getting in the way of your reading comprehension, lolWhat are you talking about?
Have you -seen- me play? I'm a champion of justice!
its a typoWhoever made the OP clearly forgot to add Sheik to Zelda. It made Zelda look better than she actually is, but he must have completely forgot because no where else on the list is another slash.
Could you calm down a little bit? He was clearly kidding about the "champion of justice" thing.Your ego is getting in the way of your reading comprehension, lol
He's talking about the best Japanese Ness/PT players
Thank you ^^I can ask. However I wouldn't expect their opinion to change a lot
What if you're wrong?While Kirby is a better character.
Which leaves us where?