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[T-block]

Here's what I had typed up before John made me withhold it:

Teran because he hasn't contributed anything useful even with his 222. The focus of his "catchup" is on my discussion with Raziek at the beginning of the Day, and he doesn't even offer any insight into that. He makes a brief mention of Joey's push on Kantrip, but says he doesn't think he's scum but wouldn't mind a lynch on him, even though there's the implication that he thinks Kantrip is town. He makes no mention of the push on Auspher, or the "ban" of Auspher, or the questioning of Raziek after that, despite claiming to have caught up in his next post.

Gustave because he was inconsistent in his reasoning behind his lynch choices. He says in 235 he would lynch any inactive but keep Teran around (implying that Teran has been active), yet does not have John on his list of people he would keep. John has literally six times as many posts as Teran does, and has offered more stances in them too. Why, then, does Teran okay while John isn't? When confronted about this, Gustave was surprisingly defiant. His actual reasoning for liking Teran is a bare "he's posted", along with a "personal liking", with a "deal with it" thrown in there. This reads to me as someone caught without reasoning and attempting to substitute for rationale. He was confronted more specifically about the comparison between Teran and John, and has conveniently ignored it, despite having posted since then.

 

[Kantrip]

Because it feels like RVS again, man

But really it's because I would be fine with lynching John until he contributes something that's not useless. I realize he is one to post fluff with no remorse, but usually when he does say something on topic it is at least somewhat reasonable.

I expect John to give me something better than his reasoning on Chibo, and with that in mind my lynch pool for toDay is probably:

rPSI, Vinyl., Chibo.

Maybe Gustave too, as that lynch would actually give us something more than a policy lynch would.

@Mod: Can we have prods on some people please?

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Gustave, who do you think should be on the lynching block?

rPSI..............

Gustave, I wanted to ask you about this, but why did you reply with rPSI. If I recall correctly, your two scum picks previously in the game were Auspher and Teran IIRC. Could you explain this more in depth?

 

[Jim Morrison]

Here's what I had typed up before John made me withhold it:

He was confronted more specifically about the comparison between Teran and John, and has conveniently ignored it, despite having posted since then.

I honestly hope you didn't miss this post:

As I said before, it was just a personal liking to Teran and the hope I had of him playing good, like he did when he caught KOTH a long time ago. I figured he'd also be good at catching scum, but my hopes were crushed when the ******* went off to play Zelda. John is on there because I still can't remember ONE of his posts. I'd have been perfectly fine with lynching Teran now, but you know, since there's Chibo now...

Because there I explained it pretty well. I believed Teran to have potential, based on him catching KOTH once. It was more me HOPING he would do good.
John, I'd be fine with lynching since he hadn't posted anything of substance until recently when he voted Chibo.

Acrostic, neither of them were my scum picks. They were my lynch targets, not distinct scum picks. I've stated multiple times, I'm very willing to lynch inactives. rPSI is an inactive and don't want him to feel like he can just slack off. That's why I'm fine with him also being on the lynch table.
ToDay, my lynch preference really goes out to Vinyl and rPSI, the true detriments(?) to the game.

 

[Kantrip]

Gustave, if we lynch one of those two toDay and the other one is alive and continues to be useless toMorrow, would you advocate lynching them as well?

 

[Jim Morrison]

No, Day one is the time when you lynch an inactive, D2 is already too late.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Acrostic, neither of them were my scum picks. They were my lynch targets, not distinct scum picks. I've stated multiple times, I'm very willing to lynch inactives. rPSI is an inactive and don't want him to feel like he can just slack off. That's why I'm fine with him also being on the lynch table. ToDay, my lynch preference really goes out to Vinyl and rPSI, the true detriments(?) to the game.

To cut the grease, you want to use today's lynch to policy two people that are inactive and haven't been involved in the game. Even though they haven't posted enough information to check whether they are scum or not. If I told you that you couldn't lynch these two people because I have an ability that removes two people as lynch targets from the game, who else would you pick? Also am I correct in saying that you want to basically lynch people who are inactive because you don't have a scum read on any of the players who have been actively contributing?

 

[Kantrip]

Alright. What do you think? Should we get both of them to claim now? Should we wagon one and get just them to claim? Should we just quicklynch with no claims?

 

[Jim Morrison]

To cut the grease, you want to use today's lynch to policy two people that are inactive and haven't been involved in the game. Even though they haven't posted enough information to check whether they are scum or not. If I told you that you couldn't lynch these two people because I have an ability that removes two people as lynch targets from the game, who else would you pick?

Joey, but I don't think this is what you wanted to hear.

Also am I correct in saying that you want to basically lynch people who are inactive because you don't have a scum read on any of the players who have been actively contributing?

Correct. I'm not a good player, I can tell you that. I am seriously just unable to point my finger at someone Day 1 and say "That is the person I want to lynch because he plays like scum".
My scum reading skills on Day 1 are terrible, and I admit that.

Kantrip, I'm fine with just lynching them now, I really don't even expect them to read the thread anymore. Seriously, inactives are the lowest of the lowest and should just be lynched.

 

[Kantrip]

Gustave, what ARE your reads? Do you have everyone as town? Is anyone LEANING scum to you?



Also, why would you NOT let them claim?

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Gustave, try to answer Kantrip's question to the best of your ability. If you are having trouble at any point, answer mine, but only when you have tried to answer his question initially.

Spoiler

a. List the players who you don't want to lynch today.
b. List in order the inactives you want to see lynched today.
c. Finally list the order of people who don't fit into either list from most desirable to lynch to the least.

 

[Kantrip]

T-block, I have decided a Gustave lynch is not only fine with me, but I would also find it preferable to a policy lynch. There are a lot more connections involved with a Gustave lynch due to his more active posting, and there are also scummy things coming from his slot. I mean, advocating lynching someone without allowing them to claim? Then he's pulled the noob card to try to cover up for his scum slips, he's tried to use "gut feelings" and "personal preference" to cover up scummy mistakes, and he has backtracked on his reasoning (such as what you showed in your quote at the top of this page). A policy lynch won't help us as much as a Gustave lynch would help us.

I like my vote here a lot more than a policy lynch.

@Everyone: Weigh in on a Gustave lynch and decide if you agree with it or not. Explain your reasoning if you can.

Unvote, Vote: Gustave

 

[Pluvia]

I like how people are like "Well I don't want to lynch Pluvia today.." as in like I'm a worthy sacrifice for the cause.

Vote: rPsi

Because honestly I never even knew he was in the game and I have till midnight to vote for someone.

 

[Dooms]

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page

This site should provide you some help. You can tell who inactives are if they hardly post.
Like Vinyl rPSI, Joey (to a lesser extent, put forth SOME content) for now.

I was gone for three days.

Three. I even posted a V/LA too.

**** you.

(no, that is not serious at all LOL)

Reading up now, and all I can say so far is the stuff against Pulvia is crappy and Kantrip looks way worse after that Pulvia vote -> unvote.

 

[Dooms]

Don't like John so much after he posted the reasoning behind his Chibo vote. Its just a whole bunch of speculation BS that isn't needed at all.

I'm indifferent about the Gustave wagon. The fact that he wants to lynch an inactive doesn't make me jump up and say "OH LETS LYNCH HIM! QUICK!" and everything else that hes done has left me at an "eh".

Also sorry that I spelled your name wrong, Pluvia. @_@.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

With those three things, I can form the basis of a weak case on you. From there, all I have to do is cherry-pick a few of your responses to paint you as scummy, band-wagon up a few votes, and then you're forced to claim. If you are VT and have no PR claim to save yourself, you die. If you ARE a PR, you've outed yourself by being forced to claim. Either way, Town loses, Scum gains.

If you had the material to make a case, then why wouldn't you make a case on T-block? And no, I'd highly doubt that you would bother to start making a "weak" case, as you yourself are prudent enough to knock down reaching cases before you allow them to gain much steam to develop, this is based largely on your reaction to my Dark Horse chain-saw defense case in which I pointed out questionable behavior that I found scummy and you were quick to shoot it down and treat it as a scum tell.

Also, I don't know why you're telling T-Block that it would be a bad thing if he was forced to claim. From what I understand, it seems like you're implying that he's town and you are not concerned with pressure voting him to find out his alignment. The last two lines with regards to T-Block getting lynched as VT and outing himself as a PR still don't make sense as they completely ignore any tells from the actual game and are fundamentally based on speculative mechanics oriented thinking.

tl;dr: This particular paragraph rubs me the wrong way. The whole, Yeah I could have formed a case on you T-Block, but I didn't strikes me as you being safe/conscientious during RVS and playing armchair critic instead of directly trying to push on T-Block in terms of a case.

Vote: Raziek

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

lol @ Raziek guilt-tripping TPK to replace out.

Oh wow. T-Block's #98. there we go. I can actually follow his thought process, aside from his gambits :l. Kantrip's reasoning isn't as easy to follow.

By claiming that I should be pushing a case I outright admitted was weak, you're suggesting I'm not hunting scum. Such a claim is false. Why would I push a weak case on you when I do not even believe you're scum?

Most of your dialogue seems committed to T-Block so it is assumed that your back and forth with T-Block is because you assume that he may be scum. If you were scum hunting, then who else were you scum hunting via your interaction with T-Block? Was it rPSI or John2k4, because you addressed little to not questions with regards to them and solely seemed interested in T-Block who you apparently don't believe is scum.

Idek.

lol @ guilt-tripping TPK again.

I'm unsure about how Kantrip is pushing on Raziek during the Raziek v. T-Block interaction. I feel that he missed the central issues between the two when it came to debating. Still null on him @ #181 since I can't really see where he is going with his arguments or where his intentions lie.

 

[T-block]

Sooo many directions.

vote: Gustave

 

[Pluvia]

So whats the votecount at? Does anyone have more than 1 vote?

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

T-Block, do you feel that Kantrip's intercession comments between you and Raziek struck you as being genuine? And also I highly doubt that you have an alignment read on Raziek based on the material from the prior discussion, unless I missed an important detail in the writing. Namely the way you phrased ending the argument struck me as being more of a conciliatory remark that you wanted to look in other directions, rather than remain stagnated:

Interesting that Raz and T-block are agreeing to move on so easily.

I'll be noting how willing Raz was to accept it as trying to get out of RvS. He brought up that point before and said it wasn't good enough, and now suddenly it is?

Not buying it, but I'll let the Day move on.

I like the bolded. Showing paranoia over the exchange reads off as a town tell to me, even after both parties have agreed to end the argument.

He is turning Raziek's words against him EXTREMELY to make him look way more scummy than he really is. This is reaching on so many levels that its unbearable. Calling that a scum slip when you twist the intentions of the post like that is... :/.

JO_OEY, thoughts on my #416. Do you think that is a reaching case? Actually more important, do you think that Raziek is town?

I read the case and saw you analyzing at surface value.

Ugh. Ugh. Ugh.

The keyword there was "semantics". You know, the actual words and phrasing and how they fit into context? What Raziek was doing at this point was trying to let on that T-Block's posts were scummy by how he was wording them. I found nothing wrong with Raziek's questioning and I actually liked how the conversation had helped progress the game. What I didn't like is how Raziek went about it. I believe I've explained the part already, but basically what I'm trying to get across is that what Raziek was doing was something that I did not like. Does that mean I want to see him lynched? Probably not. Does that mean I was interested in seeing who thought I did want him lynched? Probably.

Remind me again why you saw something you did not like, and DON'T WANT TO SEE A LYNCH. This meme encapsulates how someone SHOULD think about things they do not like:

Spoiler

Syntax is all fine and dandy, but did you miss the part where Raziek said he had a hidden case in his mind where he could have pressured T-Block, but then decided he didn't want to because T-Block didn't strike him as being scummy? But T-Block still didn't strike him as being town? Find that a lot more pertinent than syntax.

You can find town performing scum tells and scum performing town tells, and none of it will ever matter. What will matter is when you can discern alignment from within the WIFOM of tells. If I get a better read on hard to read players by arguing with them, I will argue with them. If I think I will be able to read someone by buddying them, I will buddy them. If I have no clue how to go about reading someone (see: usually), I will probably do whatever I fancy at the time and see how they react. Either that, or I will just watch their play to try to get a handle on them and how to go about reading them.

blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa I think JO_OEY knows how to play mafia.

Again, it seems as though you are under the impression that a very weak attack is something that scum would do. Why? Why would scum ever want to attack someone with something that obviously has more holes than swiss cheese?

Oh my god.

I don't like the last point you made there. Since there is NO evidence, the attack has no value? Really? Sure, it doesn't hold any weight as a legitimate case, that's fine. It doesn't need to hold weight, though. That does not make it valueless.

I'm pretty sure that weightless things are pretty valueless, by intrinsic definition... and I am going to skip the rest of this rebuttal and do a re-read maybe if I have time.

I'm fine with my vote staying here.

I'm okay with your vote staying there. Actually...

Unvote, vote: Kantrip

I like you, JO_OEY. Leaning town read on Joey as of now.

Agreed.

Thoughts as promised: I think Joey's case isn't very convincing, but I can see his reasoning and I like the intent. Part of it is that I don't think he's seen Kantrip play before, and as evidenced by Housepets, he does try to do sneaky things even as town. However, I'd like to warn Kantrip that this sort of play is going to make it very difficult to read him, to the point where it might be considered bad play. I don't like how he's set himself up to be able to throw out stances and reads with no thought without any real repercussions. He better have a plan to show himself to be town, because he is always going to be a question mark if we can't pin him to what he says.

Let me get this straight. You find Kantrip a question mark which means that his rebuttal did not clear up any questions that you may have had with regards to his alignment. Which makes this the second opportunity of pushing a slot until you have a definitive read. At this point I'm curious, why do you feel inclined to put a damper on JO_OEY's push, are we looking at Kantrip town here? Because honestly, I see little to no skin off your nose for halting JO_OEY producing a solid Kantrip read in their back and forth, while you could be using information from their interaction.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Auspher not because of his replacement request, but because he has been bothering to read the thread but his contributions are:

• "An indie? What's that? "
• "You Nova Scotians and your extra time... "
• "I want to hear T-Block's answers to Raziek's question. He gave a lot of good insight in the last game, so I would love to hear his thoughts on the player list. "

...with the last one being the only one with any relation to this game. The others were him popping in to comment on a sideline issue. He clearly read enough to know we were talking about independents, and supposedly cares enough about the discussion to ask for clarification, yet doesn't care about any of the more serious discussion. If he has time to make a post, why does he focus on this? It feels he's trying to keep up a semblance of activity. He has also been posting once every day, but conveniently did not post on the day I "banned" him. I believe that he does have a lot of IRL things on his plate, but I think he did check this thread (or if he's scum, his scummates told him), even if he didn't post. His post comes only after the votecount confirming that he didn't die, and it's a request for replacement. This suggests to me that he was somewhat relieved that he was killed and didn't have to keep up with this game any longer (and would have been as either faction), but I think as town he would have at least made a post yesterday. This is, of course, under the assumption that he read the thread. I can't know that he read the thread, but he was on SWF at least three time yesterday... if he didn't read the thread, then I still have to wonder why he didn't, when his previous activity suggests he's been reading at least once per 24 hours.

Are you passing this up then with the information you got from pluvia's replacement.

 

[Pluvia]

Like I pointed out he was just busy, hence the reason I'm here.

Just to mention if I was in Ausphers place when TB pretended to kill him, I would've kept on posting because I would've thought I'd get a PM when I'd been killed, so someone in the thread saying lol ur dead at random wouldn't have convinced me.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

I'm caught up. Saw that T-Block's whole chode of a post was some type of pressure case. So there is no need to really answer that question.

Actually T-Block pinned him as scum with how he didn't respond. Silence is very telling, and the fact that Auspher was clearly here to check in and post some fluffy prod dodge every day is very incriminating coupled with the fact that the one day he didn't post is when he thought he had been shot by T-block.

If he was town he would have said something: Final words, some reads, perhaps getting upset with T-block. However, silence means he probably didn't want to out his scummates by mistake and he knew that posting would be useless becuase he was already a dead man walking.

From a scale of 1-10, how genuine was this case?

But how can I answer that question when I'm not scum? I'm just being used as a scapegoat here for no good reason.

Like really the reasoning behind people thinking Auspher was scum was just because he was busy, and he was, hence the reason I'm here. I think I'm part of a plot here to drag attention away from others. Heck even you are trying to manipulate others into thinking I'm scum. There's something weird going on here.

Nobody knows anything. Auspher said he had finals so he's been away, then he said actually there's no way for him to be able to play so he requests a replacement, and now I'm here.

For some reason this convinced people I'm scum now. I think it's part of a plot to drag attention away from others because come on that's a really crappy reason, and he really did have finals, yet people are so dead set on it. Like really it's suspicious that I'm being teamed up on just because Auspher couldn't play?

Like I said, I think I'm part of a ploy to drag attention away from others.

Heck Auspher only made 5 posts in this entire thread. One of them was asking what an indie was, 2 was him apologising about not being able to play because he's busy, the other one was him asking why Raz was avoiding a question and the last was "Oh you Nova Scotians."

Yeah I guess. I don't know what to think about TB, but he was dead set on getting me lynched so he has rose on my watch list as possible scum.

I also thought it was weird Guus said "partner" rather than "others", I think that was a slip up on his part, and now that I've read the thread my bets would be on TB and Guus and maybe someone else too.

I asked why everyone thinks I'm scum before I made that post saying what's the point in me joining if I'm just going to get lynched no matter what?

Bearing in mind it was a 11pm, on a Friday night, on my birthday, and I posted it from my phone, so I'd clearly had a bit to drink and I thought you meant I was going to die no matter what I said to try and convince you otherwise. There's nothing scummy about asking what's the point in me being here, in fact it's more scummy to lie and say that I'm going to get lynched because everyone thinks I'm scum like you did.

This all reads as being noob townie especially the defensiveness and his willingness to push on two other slots rather than be introspective. Pressuring pluvia was a good move.

I think a Raziek/Pluvia scumteam looks good to me.

Excuse me. This makes no sense. If you would pair up pluvia as scum, then his partner may have been T-Block who tried to plan ahead this gambit with Auspher and then pluvia. Notice that T-Block does his day-vig gambit on Auspher and also does the auto-mafia assignation on pluvia? This could be either be T-Block having lingering doubts about his scum read on Auspher, which he said was insubstantial or it could have been the desperate attempt to force a town read on a partner who wasn't active. The coincidence in time periods could also be explained by the interactions being planned. The Raziek scum claim literally comes out of left field. As I have stated previously, I do NOT follow your thinking this game.

Raziek's reaction to the gambit was very telling, as he tried to shut it down to protect Auspher from outing himself or doing something rash in lieu.

klasjfkljasklfjlka qt?

Your gambit on Pluvia also says the same thing to me. The first responses suggested he is scum, and after like a day he finally says what I would expect from a townie. Why? Because Raziek told him what to say in the QT and coached a bit.

I see this as reaching until you're able to substantiate further.

I still think T-block is town, but I've got enough out of his gambit now to say Pluvia can be town. Unvote

Can you tell me what made you think T-Block was not town?

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Like I pointed out he was just busy, hence the reason I'm here.

Just to mention if I was in Ausphers place when TB pretended to kill him, I would've kept on posting because I would've thought I'd get a PM when I'd been killed, so someone in the thread saying lol ur dead at random wouldn't have convinced me.

From my experience, day vig deaths don't result in people getting personal messages. Although it can vary from moderator to moderator based on how they designed the role to work. I have yet to see the mechanic pan out in that manner.

 

[Pluvia]

Couldn't anyone pretend to be a day vig just to stop someone posting for a while then?

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

My reads for now:

1. Vinyl. - hasn't posted enough. Null. If Vinyl. is scum, will blacklist in future games. Should be copped or vigged.
3. John2k4 - interjecting from the sidelines. I personally dislike it. I remember looking at some questions he posted on Page 2, and I'm not sure where he went with them. Posting empty questions has been a familiar scum trait in my book, however there is not enough for me to feel confident in him being scum. Need to iso sometime tomorrow. Do not care if lynched.
4. vVv ChiboSempai - what are you doing. I don't know. He doesn't want to re-read and he thinks that T-Block is scum based on supposedly using current knowledge without bothering to read back. Will throw computer out the window if he is scum faking. Push on T-Block of all slots doesn't seem like a scum motive. Want to see alive another day.
5. Pluvia - noob town with dumb tells. Dumb tells because I skimmed pgs. 9-11 and if he was scum then I would have to iso to spot a lie or deceptive trait in his interaction with Chibo and also his rudimentary answers of finding scum.
6. Gustave - tentative town read. Admits to pl'ing people for the sake of pl'ing them. Reminds me of RR in FF IX mafia. May be biased due to Page 1 read where I had him as null slight town. May reconsider on re-read, but probably am not going to do that by tomorrow.
7. JO_OEY - I think he called out Kantrip on points I did not really understand. I think there was a better case to make on Raziek then the one he made on him. And I also think the case was obvious as I came to the same conclusion on T-Block on what I disliked from Raziek at the time. This doubles as a yellow read for Kantrip.
8. RocketPSIence - More or less Vinyl commentary except I think he should be copped, not vigged. If curious, would explain why tomorrow or D2 if I'm still alive.
9. T-Block - Town for now. Keeping my eye on this slot. Just in case. Reasons/justificatoin are in surrounding posts. Will explain more in depth tomorrow or D2 if alive.
10. Kantrip - Kantrip your read is on JO_OEY. Throw in pluvia material and pluvia|Raziek scum team conclusion as being more dubious confusion.
11. Raziek - I don't understand your position on how T-Block's VT claim was something that could result in his easy lynch. Most of your points really didn't convince me and I think this was the case for a lot of people. I still don't understand your slot, and you disappearing didn't help me either. I'm really stuck on this one, but if I had to decide between you and Kantrip...

Vote: Raziek

OH CST. GODDAMN. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.

 

[John2k4]

We have about 3½ hours left, Acro.

 

[John2k4]

Blah you confused me there by panicking over CST; I thought deadline was tonight.

* We have 27½ hours left.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Blah you confused me there by panicking over CST; I thought deadline was tonight. * We have 27½ hours left.

Yeah. I looked it up. I have you down as a yellow. Am I really that non-intimidating to you at the moment that you're not bothered by this. If so, then sad.

 

[Pluvia]

Ok so I have no opinion on Vin, Joey and rpsi really. At first I thought that they could be scum trying to hide it out, but the more I think of it the less likely that seems because they'd actually be hurting themselves by not posting wouldn't they? They'd get inactived lynched.

So now if I had to choose out of the people that was posting it's either Kantrip, because he seems to be all over the place and changes his opinion all the time, or Raz because he was my first choice and he hasn't really done much to change my gut feeling on him.

 

[Kantrip]

Pluvia, if one of me or Raziek is scum, does that change your read on the other?

Acrostic, I'll get to your stuff in a bit.

 

[John2k4]

Pluvia what's your opinion on Chibe?

 

[Kantrip]

John I want your reads.

 

[John2k4]

Vinyl. - Wait, Vinyl's in this game? [Would be fine with lynch]
Acro - I like the cases he is providing. [Do not want to lynch]
RocketPSIence - Oh look rPSI is in here too... [Would be fine with lynch]
Chibo - See #393
Pluvia - Noob town, he didn't give up with everyone calling him scum, and instead provided arguments to the contrary. [Leaning NoobTown]
Gustave - I'm going to read him in a bit.
JO_OEY - Made a good case on Kanty, don't have much of a read yet apart from that.
T-Block - I'm leaning town, due to your Vig gambit on Auspher/Pluvia, but after Housepets, I'm very reluctant to label you as so.
Kantrip - Need to read on Kanty too.
Raziek - I really didn't like the back and forth in the beginning, but apart from that, you provide some interesting points...

 

[John2k4]

I knew I'd mess up those colors somehow...

I'd color him as this.

 

[John2k4]

*Him is Acro

My goodness I need to slow down >.<

 

[Pluvia]

Pluvia, if one of me or Raziek is scum, does that change your read on the other?

Acrostic, I'll get to your stuff in a bit.

I dunno to be honest, I haven't planned that far ahead. Seeing as though I could get killed in the night I'm just going to take it on a day to day basis.

 

[Kantrip]

John your colour coding is really strange.

But you need less nulls and more scum reads, I think.

I hope you can do those reads on players you need to soon.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Vote count incoming, also another day extension since two more people replaced in and prods for people to hand out.

However that will be the last extension I will give for replacing in.

Also want to apolegize for not getting this up to date, I got Megaman Legends 2 and I've been at it for a good while.

 

[T-block]

T-Block, do you feel that Kantrip's intercession comments between you and Raziek struck you as being genuine?

Yeah... I just came off of playing Housepets with him, and I've seen all of these things from Kantrip as town before. Yes, sometimes he tries to do too much and gets tangled up in what he says, but he does so as town as well - I haven't seen anything from Kantrip this game that I would consider a scum tell on him.

And also I highly doubt that you have an alignment read on Raziek based on the material from the prior discussion, unless I missed an important detail in the writing. Namely the way you phrased ending the argument struck me as being more of a conciliatory remark that you wanted to look in other directions, rather than remain stagnated:

I absolutely did want to look in other directions at that point in the Day, but that should not suggest at all that I didn't have a read on his alignment. I didn't want D1 to end with information only on me and Raziek generated.

Let me get this straight. You find Kantrip a question mark which means that his rebuttal did not clear up any questions that you may have had with regards to his alignment. Which makes this the second opportunity of pushing a slot until you have a definitive read. At this point I'm curious, why do you feel inclined to put a damper on JO_OEY's push, are we looking at Kantrip town here? Because honestly, I see little to no skin off your nose for halting JO_OEY producing a solid Kantrip read in their back and forth, while you could be using information from their interaction.

I was asked for my thoughts on the case, and promised to give them after one more response from Kantrip, in case you missed that. Just fulfilling that promise.

Plus, I think we had already seen enough... I don't necessarily think allowing that avenue to continue would have been the best to way proceed in getting a read on Kantrip.