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[T-block]

Ah, sorry about that.

I'm trying my hardest to not sheep this game, but with some of the points you've posted, it's hard not to follow them. :/

Quote the post and respond please

 

[Pluvia]

Nah more than 2 on the same mafia faction would overdo it.

You should still answer the question.

But how can I answer that question when I'm not scum? I'm just being used as a scapegoat here for no good reason.

Like really the reasoning behind people thinking Auspher was scum was just because he was busy, and he was, hence the reason I'm here. I think I'm part of a plot here to drag attention away from others. Heck even you are trying to manipulate others into thinking I'm scum. There's something weird going on here.

 

[Kantrip]

T-block, have you gotten anything out of this?

Pluvia, why did you take so long to come to this conclusion?

 

[Pluvia]

Take so long to come to what conclusion? When did I take long?

 

[CT Chia]

Why are people ignoring me <_<

 

[Jim Morrison]

These aren't 20 pages of DGames quality posts, so it really doesn't take that long to read through what happened.
If tomorrow (when I wake up) you've STILL been ignored, I'll help you out some.

 

[CT Chia]

Or if you know you could sum it up in two whole sentences lol.

One sentence on the gambit that happened.

One sentence on why we know Ausupher/Pluvia is mafia.

And perhaps a bonus sentence on how ppl know indies are in the game.

 

[Pluvia]

Nobody knows anything. Auspher said he had finals so he's been away, then he said actually there's no way for him to be able to play so he requests a replacement, and now I'm here.

For some reason this convinced people I'm scum now. I think it's part of a plot to drag attention away from others because come on that's a really crappy reason, and he really did have finals, yet people are so dead set on it. Like really it's suspicious that I'm being teamed up on just because Auspher couldn't play?

 

[CT Chia]

There's no way that is it. If that's it, why would this be said:

We already knew Auspher is mafia, so we know you are mafia =/

 

[Pluvia]

Like I said, I think I'm part of a ploy to drag attention away from others.

Heck Auspher only made 5 posts in this entire thread. One of them was asking what an indie was, 2 was him apologising about not being able to play because he's busy, the other one was him asking why Raz was avoiding a question and the last was "Oh you Nova Scotians."

 

[CT Chia]

So if this is all correct, wouldn't you want to lynch like Tblock or something for comments like that? If Auspher wasn't confirmed as scum and he is trying to pass off that he is, that's hella scummy.

 

[Pluvia]

Yeah I guess. I don't know what to think about TB, but he was dead set on getting me lynched so he has rose on my watch list as possible scum.

I also thought it was weird Guus said "partner" rather than "others", I think that was a slip up on his part, and now that I've read the thread my bets would be on TB and Guus and maybe someone else too.

 

[Pluvia]

Or now that I think of it, just TB and Guus because of the partner thing.

 

[T-block]

Hmm... that's enough of that.

Nope, we never knew that you were mafia. In fact, the case on your slot was pretty weak at the moment, because it very well could have been genuine inactivity. I just wanted to see how you would react to a situation where it seemed like all of us were already convinced you were scum, which was doable because you said you hadn't read the whole thread yet.

In that regard, post 305 is very telling imo. In that situation, town would be much more skeptical about any sort of conclusion that their slot was 100% scum, because as town, they would know that the conclusion is wrong. It's scum that would make the "well why the hell did i even replace in then". Town would want to know why they are being lynched so they can defend. There's no attempt to ask what the incriminating evidence was in the beginning. That's probably because he assumed that his slot indeed already had been caught.

He doesn't even say he's not scum until 317, and this was well over 24 hours after my initial post. The change could easily be a scummate telling him how to act in the QT.

Does that answer one of your questions, Chibo? This play starts with post 295.

 

[Pluvia]

I asked why everyone thinks I'm scum before I made that post saying what's the point in me joining if I'm just going to get lynched no matter what?

Bearing in mind it was a 11pm, on a Friday night, on my birthday, and I posted it from my phone, so I'd clearly had a bit to drink and I thought you meant I was going to die no matter what I said to try and convince you otherwise. There's nothing scummy about asking what's the point in me being here, in fact it's more scummy to lie and say that I'm going to get lynched because everyone thinks I'm scum like you did.

 

[T-block]

Can someone explain this gambit that happened to me please?

It starts at 204. I think it really would be beneficial to read from 204 to 263.

Basically, I claimed day vigilante and killed Auspher. Auspher had been posting once per day before, but didn't post at all the day I pulled the gambit. He posted only after the mod confirmed that the day vig claim was fake, and only to request replacement.

Gustave asked whether my ability was one-shot or unlimited.
Gustave said he agreed with my action.
John was okay with my action (said "Kudos if Auspher flips scum")
Raziek brought attention to the fact that it might have been a gambit. He says he did it because the gambit wasn't going to do anything anyways - he offers no pro-town reason for doing so, however.
Gustave tells Raziek that exposing the gambit was a bad idea.
Kantrip asks why Raziek brought attention to the fact that it might be a gambit.
Acrostic said that if I did take the shot, it was a rash decision. He also brings attention to the fact that it is a gambit. However, he does so claiming to believe that any value in the gambit has been lost because there was a significant time delay between the initial "kill" and Acrostic's post. I therefore take it to be that he did believe the gambit was over, and was providing a detailed response to the question I asked him, so I'm fine with it.

 

[T-block]

I asked why everyone thinks I'm scum before I made that post saying what's the point in me joining if I'm just going to get lynched no matter what?

Bearing in mind it was a 11pm, on a Friday night, on my birthday, and I posted it from my phone, so I'd clearly had a bit to drink and I thought you meant I was going to die no matter what I said to try and convince you otherwise. There's nothing scummy about asking what's the point in me being here, in fact it's more scummy to lie and say that I'm going to get lynched because everyone thinks I'm scum like you did.

When you asked, you thought people thought you were mafia because of the post YOU made, and it's natural to wonder that whether you are scum or town. However, I explained that it was because of Auspher's play and you didn't say "well what did auspher do that makes you think i'm mafia?"; you said "well what's the point in me joining if i'm just going to be lynched?"

Why is it scummy to lie, given that I've explained my motivation behind it, including how it will help town?

 

[T-block]

T-block, have you gotten anything out of this?

What are your conclusions from this whole ordeal?

 

[T-block]

And Chibo, we don't know that indies are in this game. That was part of the play.

 

[CT Chia]

What was the goal of your gambit TBlock?

 

[T-block]

Okay, here's what needs to happen.

Gustave

Totally forgot about this.

You would keep Teran around, but you would be fine with a lynch on John.
You say Teran can live because he's posted.
John has made 20 posts. Teran has made 3.

Why?

This needs an answer.


John

I was going to post my reasoning on other players, but HANG ON

John, you're not sheeping me this game, right?

What is your reasoning for being okay with a Teran lynch? How does his play differ from rPSI's, and why are you not okay with an rPSI lynch?

What is your reasoning for Gustave?

This needs answers. Specifically, why is Teran on his list but not rPSI, and why Gustave.

Raziek

Raziek, when you get here, tell me everything you know/have deduced about Pluvia's slot.

This needs an answer. More specifically now, does you agree with the tells on Pluvia, and if so, is he our lynch for toDay?

 

[T-block]

What was the goal of your gambit TBlock?

It's in 334, Chibo. Just eight posts up.

 

[T-block]

What was the goal of your gambit TBlock?

Oh, you mean of the dayvig gambit. To see how Auspher would react to being shot, and to view others' reactions to the shot.

 

[Pluvia]

When you asked, you thought people thought you were mafia because of the post YOU made, and it's natural to wonder that whether you are scum or town. However, I explained that it was because of Auspher's play and you didn't say "well what did auspher do that makes you think i'm mafia?"; you said "well what's the point in me joining if i'm just going to be lynched?"

Why is it scummy to lie, given that I've explained my motivation behind it, including how it will help town?

Because that's too complicated to think at that time, I was just drunk and mad that I wasn't going to be able to play and that I was going to be killed because everyone thinks I'm scum even though I'm not, by no fault of my own. You're overthinking this or trying to twist my words.

I thought that no matter what I was going to get lynched. Seeing as though I can't help people find scum, or well even do anything, then what was the point in me joining?

I still think I'm part of a plot to try and take the heat off others. I think that because I'm new, and because you knew I hadn't read the thread, you knew I'd be an easy target. Look you're even trying to twist my words now and make it look like I was meaning all that nonesense you made up, rather than what I really meant of "What's the point in me being here?"

 

[CT Chia]

Ok TBlock so why do you think there is an indy?

 

[T-block]

Chibo you are incredibly frustrating to play with.

Look at the post RIGHT ABOVE your 340.

 

[CT Chia]

Sorry it slipped my mind since when I was re-reading your posts from earlier as reference.

So, has ANY of your game so far NOT been deceivery?

 

[John2k4]

John, you're not sheeping me this game, right?

Trying not to.

What is your reasoning for being okay with a Teran lynch? How does his play differ from rPSI's, and why are you not okay with an rPSI lynch?

Teran would have been an inactivity lynch for me. I would have put rPSI on there too but it slipped my mind when I posted my list (via mobile).

What is your reasoning for Gustave?

He's a "meh" for me. I need to read into him some more.

 

[Kantrip]

I think a Raziek/Pluvia scumteam looks good to me.

Raziek's reaction to the gambit was very telling, as he tried to shut it down to protect Auspher from outing himself or doing something rash in lieu. Your gambit on Pluvia also says the same thing to me. The first responses suggested he is scum, and after like a day he finally says what I would expect from a townie.

Why? Because Raziek told him what to say in the QT and coached a bit.

Not sure where my vote is, but if it's not on Pluvia I want it to be. I like your gambits and agree with what you got from them, T-block.

Vote: Pluvia

 

[T-block]

Talk to me about Gustave.

 

[Kantrip]

Give me a bit on that one. I'll get back to you after a re-read tomorrow

 

[Jim Morrison]

Right, got it.

Yeah, about here I joined in on what T-block and Kantrip were doing with Pluvia, seemed like it would be fun.
I also joined to get a read out of Pluvia and got one. I disagree with T-block's conclusion though. I find Pluvia to have played a much more town game than scum.

T-block, your main point on Pluvia is that he took 24 hours to post, correct?

Yeah whats the point in me joining if no matter what i'm going to get lynched?

You have to realize that it was already 12:37 AM when Pluvia posted this. As we all know, from the Oops, Ignore This thread, it was Pluvia's birthday on the day of him posting that. I assume he went out soon after and this party animal didn't wake up until FAR into the day. After that he has to read the whole thread through to find why Auspher was scum, and also probably had some other stuff to do that day.

I'm fine with him posting 24 hours later.

Also,

But I'm not even scum in the first place. And why do you think there's only 2 scum? I thought there could be like 3 or 4?

I can't place my finger on this, but the fact that he brought this up got him some more credibility in my book. I don't think noob scum would've said that in a situation where someone dead on asks him who his partner is. Personally.

For now on, I'm glad with Pluvia staying, if he tries to help us.

Gustave

Totally forgot about this.

You would keep Teran around, but you would be fine with a lynch on John.
You say Teran can live because he's posted.
John has made 20 posts. Teran has made 3.

Why?

This needs an answer.

As I said before, it was just a personal liking to Teran and the hope I had of him playing good, like he did when he caught KOTH a long time ago. I figured he'd also be good at catching scum, but my hopes were crushed when the ******* went off to play Zelda. John is on there because I still can't remember ONE of his posts. I'd have been perfectly fine with lynching Teran now, but you know, since there's Chibo now...


Chibo, what are your thoughts anyway? You have just asked questions, but never stated your thoughts.

Is Vinyl still in here? If so,

Vote: Vinyl

 

[Pluvia]

Yeah 24 hours is nothing, heck 12 hours after that post I woke up on my friends couch that I didn't remember falling asleep on, 13 hours after I made it home and went back to bed, and then for the rest of the day I recovered and bought Zelda. Heck I don't think I posted on smashboards at all yesterday until late, bar maybe 1 or 2 posts in the MW3 thread.

You're overthinking this, or I'm being stitched up.

 

[CT Chia]

So, has ANY of your game so far NOT been deceivery?

Talk to me about Gustave.

Got an answer Mr. T?

 

[T-block]

I thought it was rhetorical. That's a stupid question then, buddy.

No, not all of my game has been deception. The only lying I've done was the day vigilante gambit and this recent play with Pluvia.

Let me ask you this, Chibo. What if I had lied more? Would that have been scummy in itself? What if I had pro town motivation for each time, as I do in this game? You are clearly willing to judge me based on the black and white condition of whether I've been lying (you asked about my past play but you're not even planning to read the whole thread for Christ's sake). Can you not see that this is bad play?

 

[Pluvia]

But you're only making it look pro-town. You're twisting my words and lying to keep me on the defensive, therefore making it look like I've got something to hide when I don't.

 

[Jim Morrison]

That's not what he ACTUALLY tried to do. It's just what he made it look like to you, so he could see what you'd react like. He feigned the whole thing with making you look like scum (as did I) to see how you'd react to it. That's usually telling.

 

[CT Chia]

I thought it was rhetorical. That's a stupid question then, buddy.

No, not all of my game has been deception. The only lying I've done was the day vigilante gambit and this recent play with Pluvia.

Let me ask you this, Chibo. What if I had lied more? Would that have been scummy in itself? What if I had pro town motivation for each time, as I do in this game? You are clearly willing to judge me based on the black and white condition of whether I've been lying (you asked about my past play but you're not even planning to read the whole thread for Christ's sake). Can you not see that this is bad play?

What kind of things or questions have you done that isn't related to this? And this recent play as you say, is all based around deception trying to make it seem like the entire town has already decided someone is scum, likely from a flip or something. What it looked like to me was, replacing into a game and hearing someone was already outed as scum, so should I not vote him? I'm glad I poked around more to see it's bs. And before you go and say I shouldn't blindly listen to people, am I supposed to not follow the majority? The majority is TOWN. When all this talk about Pluvia being confirmed scum happened, no one jumped up to say it was wrong, so the consensus (aka Town) easily seemed like it was true. And why would Town not try to defend him? Not try to call out someone saying fake things? And how would people NOT know to call it out, through a Quick Topic????? And it wasn't finally debunked until you had to say it yourself. So where is everyone else? This doesn't look good for those who are active now either.

You can try to put as much of a townie spin on it as much as you want TBlock, but this whole thing reeks of scum.

That's not what he ACTUALLY tried to do. It's just what he made it look like to you, so he could see what you'd react like. He feigned the whole thing with making you look like scum (as did I) to see how you'd react to it. That's usually telling.

Let TBlock speak for himself scummy.


Unvote Vote TBlock

 

[Kantrip]

Chibo, you are reaching mad hard. I see the townie intent pretty clearly from both of T-block's plays, and I played along too.

I don't see T-block scum at this moment.

 

[Pluvia]

Well,

Not sure where my vote is, but if it's not on Pluvia I want it to be. I like your gambits and agree with what you got from them, T-block.

Vote: Pluvia

What a rubbish reason. Isn't that like the second time you've voted for someone for no good reason? It's like you read everything TB said and just completely ignored what I said.

So far the only person I think isn'y scum is Chibo, because there's too much mind games going on and too much people being silent.