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I'm guessing Auspher will flip nothing.
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It specifically says the flip will happen at the next votecount. There's a reason why votecounts have been happening at fairly regular intervals I guess.
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@mod: requesting deadline extension in lieu of replacement
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^I fully support this.
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T-block, do you have an alignment from Raziek after your argument?
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Indeed I do.
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Please do share.
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Vinyl, I know for a fact that there are two scum among the following players: John2K4, Teran, Auspher, Gustave, and JO_OEY. And one scum among RocketPSI, T-Block, Kantrip, and Raziek. If I had a one-shot vig ability who would you want me to shoot among these two pools and why?
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Vinyl one more question, did you type this before or after you opened your role pm?
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Talk to me after you've caught up? I'd like to hear your thoughts too.
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I'll list the extension at the next vote count, but you get an extra day.
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Everyone believe me yet?
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Interesting.
Hi Acrostic, thanks for replacing in. Here's hoping there's one more active player as a result.
Raziek, I'd like to know your motivation behind ruining the gambit. What drove you to stop it short? Don't give me something about how it was doomed to failure. I want to know the pro-town intentions there.
Besides, T-block's commitment to it makes it pretty clear it's 100% serious business.
Hi Acrostic, thanks for replacing in. Here's hoping there's one more active player as a result.
Raziek, I'd like to know your motivation behind ruining the gambit. What drove you to stop it short? Don't give me something about how it was doomed to failure. I want to know the pro-town intentions there.
Besides, T-block's commitment to it makes it pretty clear it's 100% serious business.
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Hey Raziek, what makes you think Auspher is a competent player?
You would keep Teran around, but you would be fine with a lynch on John.
You say Teran can live because he's posted.
John has made 20 posts. Teran has made 3.
Why?
Totally forgot about this.
You would keep Teran around, but you would be fine with a lynch on John.
You say Teran can live because he's posted.
John has made 20 posts. Teran has made 3.
Why?
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> T-Block kills someone.
> No one cares to check up on it.
> If I die because I'm too impatient to wait until the next page of material to come in, then this is totally T-Block's ability rigging me up to die.
> @ mod: requesting vote count
> No one cares to check up on it.
> If I die because I'm too impatient to wait until the next page of material to come in, then this is totally T-Block's ability rigging me up to die.
> @ mod: requesting vote count
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I'm not sure what you're trying to say, Acrostic. Maybe you're misunderstanding something?
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No. I looked over at the last page to see that you banned Auspher. However no one was interested in asking the moderator for an early vote count in order to verify that your action was legitimate. Therefore that made me feel wary of whether your ability actually killed Auspher, or had some sort of voodoo ability in which someone speaks a given phrase i.e. requesting a vote count or requesting the mod to verify if Auspher died resulting in their death.
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^ Me being paranoid. Will catch up by tomorrow morning.
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That is quite paranoid indeed lol... it's nothing like that.
What is your opinion of my choice?
Does the fact that I took the shot suggest anything about my alignment to you?
What is your opinion of my choice?
Does the fact that I took the shot suggest anything about my alignment to you?
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If you did take a shot at Auspher, then it was a rash decision based on the fact that he only posted four or so times in this thread. There really was no reason to take a shot at him, more so than Vinyl, Teran, or really half this player list for that matter given the lack of content.
If this is a gambit, then it clearly has lost it's value by now as any reactions that you were hoping to get have enough time to be thought out and fabricated if scum bothered to show that much concern. A well performed day-vig gambit would at least involve the other party being present at the time of posting. Therefore allowing one to immediately take into account the reaction of the other player. It didn't seem like Auspher was here at the time and I haven't looked too deep into the reaction of other slots with respect to the gambit. However I'm skeptical that you gained anything definitive as a result of it, mostly due to a general disinterest in this game and|or skepticism that resulted in your gambit being ignored.
If this is a gambit, then it clearly has lost it's value by now as any reactions that you were hoping to get have enough time to be thought out and fabricated if scum bothered to show that much concern. A well performed day-vig gambit would at least involve the other party being present at the time of posting. Therefore allowing one to immediately take into account the reaction of the other player. It didn't seem like Auspher was here at the time and I haven't looked too deep into the reaction of other slots with respect to the gambit. However I'm skeptical that you gained anything definitive as a result of it, mostly due to a general disinterest in this game and|or skepticism that resulted in your gambit being ignored.
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I will admit though that my prior post was me skimming and believing that you had actually shot Auspher. That is, before I did an ISO on Auspher and realized that he contributed nothing. As with other players present, therefore making me skeptical that you would waste such an ability in the middle of the day on a slot that wouldn't be guaranteed to flip scum in any way or form.
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I decided to streamline my reads due to the deadline approaching. I started around post #7 and took Red Ryu’s notice that Teran and Auspher remained the only two players left to confirm at face value and looked into slots with the assumption that they were cognizant of their own role and alignment. I am working off the assumption that there are at least two scum that are cognizant of each other being in a relationship and have been designated as “mafia” for the purpose of this game. You will note that many of my reads this game will be relationship reads, since I am horrible bad at this game, but would still like to contribute my own two cents.
John2k4 reads off as being flirty in his #5 and #8. His syntax is particularly awkward in his eight post when he notes that Kantrip “must” be a “hiding scum.” However this pales in the awkward department when it comes to Vinyl.’s #11, in which he states that rPSI could be town in response to Gustave’s #10 in which he states, “rPSI will only troll.”
Gustave’s commentary though touched on a number of slots: T-Block, Gustave’s own slot, Red Ryu, John, and Joey for one are a list of other players who Gustave chooses to discuss. It remains a point of interest why Vinyl singled out rPSI in particular and also what his impression of “trolling” would entail… at the moment I’m led to the assumption that Vinyl thought that we would lynch rPSI for such behavior. If either rPSI or Vinyl flip scum, I would look into the other slot given such RVS behavior. Based on this interaction I do not believe that Gustave|Vinyl are a likely mafia team.
John2k4’s post in #13 is an imitation of Gustave’s #10. Imitation is the finest form of flattery. And there is little to no need for mafia partner to flatter one another. Therefore Gustave|John2k4 is not a likely mafia team. I would like to note at this point that I find Gustave’s #10, town-telling, mostly because his sense of sarcasm and criticizing other slots in #10 is something I find relatively unorthodox for scum to do relatively early in the game. I am a bit apprehensive about him mentioning his own death. On one hand, town would be aware of their own mortality. However on the other hand, it is highly possible that such a read was constructed with that intention in mind. Gustave’s future play will point towards which hand seems more believable.
Kantrip’s #15 and John2k4’s #16 are too transparent to take at face value. I’d say the interaction is ugly, but that really isn’t an alignment tell. Just my sense of personal aesthetic on what I like to look at in a relationship. But yeah, it’s pretty fugly.
T-Block starts a gambit in #21. VT claims is safe from a town perspective and pseudo-plausible from anyone new to mafia. Not sure if anyone would take the claim seriously from T-Block. If T-Block did seriously claim VT early into the game then it would constitute a town tell on the basis of commitment stupidity. This is based on the idea that mafia would want to remain flexible with regards to claims in the future in case they find themselves in a jam or want to progress their case further by claiming a role that would enable them to bus their own partner. My gut tells me that T-Block is not claiming VT at face-value though, so prior analysis is somewhat non-applicable.
T-Block’s #25 is awkward. The elipses are placed haphazardly as if T-Block intentionally wrote the post to maximize it’s scumminess, “Yeah it’s all good…” Seriously? Not sure if you were trying to give me the impression of you smoking a blunt, but you totally pulled it off. Frustrating post is frustrating.
Raziek’s #26, thank you.
T-Block’s #27, T-Block get out of here.
Raziek’s #30, I’m not sure why Raziek thinks that town is under obligation to lynch T-Block for simply existing. The only justification is that he himself finds #25 a major scum tell that pushes T-Block to the top of his scum list. I’m not sure what constitutes a T-Block lynch being a necessity either. The presumptions in the in this paragraph need more explanation. I can’t follow his thought process on what he has explained alone.
I also disagree with his analysis in the second paragraph. I find if pro-town if he did commit to a face value claim of being VT for reasons aforementioned. I believe that if T-block is a PR, then it his maneuver would be a liability as a protective might choose another slot for it’s night actions due to T-Block not receiving any mod-confirmed information. Raziek should have explained more on this, but this is more mechanics related speculation and not really of interest to me.
In the third paragraph I believe Raziek is assigning a read to his own post lol. I suppose this is a really minor town tell as I usually don’t see scum noting their own behavior as an alignment tell. It does remain questionable that Raziek settles on his irritation only being a null tell? Hmm, null tell? Really? Why not a town tell Raziek? If you were trying to preserve objectivity by assigning yourself a null tell, you already lost any sense of objective assessment by assigning YOURSELF a tell. I like the “big steaming dump of WIFOM” statement at the end. It leaves behind some sentiment that the exchange is sincere. Therefore Raziek|T-Block aren’t a likely mafia team.
Unlikely Mafia Teams (TvT or TvS i.e. either no mafia or one mafia in these pairings):
a. Gustave | John2k4
b. Gustave | Vinyl
c. T-Block | Raziek
John2k4’s #37: Pays attention to T-Block and his commentary but ignores Raziek. Really? More playful interaction, his ribbing at T-Block strikes me as being similar to how he treated Kantrip. Isn’t treating the interaction seriously. This is relevant at a later point. Also, no Gustave? Where is Gustave D:?
T-Block’s #38: T-Block basically addresses the gist of what I wanted to get at with regards to Raziek’s #30. “The rest of your questions are garbage. Tell me why.” Damn. There is a lot of end heat attached to the end of each post. It left me some doubt as to whether the similarity is coincidence or construct.
Raziek’s #39: “If you're VT, Scum can mislynch you later. Pro-Scum. If you're VT and they kill you, Town gains.”
> Completely ignoring T-Block’s contributions in terms of producing reads on other players.
“If you're a PR, you've likely drawn enough WIFOM for someone to kill you just to clear the air. Either your PR hides behind the curtain of WIFOM (pro-Town), or you die. (Pro-Scum)”
Yes. If T-Block is a PR and he dies, that would suck.
“The only way this benefits you is if you're scum, because now Town has to consider the above possibilities, because you've precluded any intent of your play by claiming VT.”
That’s reaching.
“If you think my questions are garbage, YOU are going to tell me why, or you're going to answer them.”
“T-Block, talk to me about the playerlist. Who have you played with before? Who is a threat? Who's an easy mislynch?”
I believe those are standard RVS questions. T-Block’s #21 indicates that he wants to move away from RVS by choosing to claim VT. Whether he is fake-claiming VT as scum or a PR or legitimately claiming VT as a VT, it is clear that he is not setting up an orthodox RVS that you were appealing to in your list of questions.
Auspher's #40: Very awkward. Not sure of what to make of this post at the moment.
I decided to streamline my reads due to the deadline approaching. I started around post #7 and took Red Ryu’s notice that Teran and Auspher remained the only two players left to confirm at face value and looked into slots with the assumption that they were cognizant of their own role and alignment. I am working off the assumption that there are at least two scum that are cognizant of each other being in a relationship and have been designated as “mafia” for the purpose of this game. You will note that many of my reads this game will be relationship reads, since I am horrible bad at this game, but would still like to contribute my own two cents.
John2k4 reads off as being flirty in his #5 and #8. His syntax is particularly awkward in his eight post when he notes that Kantrip “must” be a “hiding scum.” However this pales in the awkward department when it comes to Vinyl.’s #11, in which he states that rPSI could be town in response to Gustave’s #10 in which he states, “rPSI will only troll.”
Gustave’s commentary though touched on a number of slots: T-Block, Gustave’s own slot, Red Ryu, John, and Joey for one are a list of other players who Gustave chooses to discuss. It remains a point of interest why Vinyl singled out rPSI in particular and also what his impression of “trolling” would entail… at the moment I’m led to the assumption that Vinyl thought that we would lynch rPSI for such behavior. If either rPSI or Vinyl flip scum, I would look into the other slot given such RVS behavior. Based on this interaction I do not believe that Gustave|Vinyl are a likely mafia team.
John2k4’s post in #13 is an imitation of Gustave’s #10. Imitation is the finest form of flattery. And there is little to no need for mafia partner to flatter one another. Therefore Gustave|John2k4 is not a likely mafia team. I would like to note at this point that I find Gustave’s #10, town-telling, mostly because his sense of sarcasm and criticizing other slots in #10 is something I find relatively unorthodox for scum to do relatively early in the game. I am a bit apprehensive about him mentioning his own death. On one hand, town would be aware of their own mortality. However on the other hand, it is highly possible that such a read was constructed with that intention in mind. Gustave’s future play will point towards which hand seems more believable.
Kantrip’s #15 and John2k4’s #16 are too transparent to take at face value. I’d say the interaction is ugly, but that really isn’t an alignment tell. Just my sense of personal aesthetic on what I like to look at in a relationship. But yeah, it’s pretty fugly.
T-Block starts a gambit in #21. VT claims is safe from a town perspective and pseudo-plausible from anyone new to mafia. Not sure if anyone would take the claim seriously from T-Block. If T-Block did seriously claim VT early into the game then it would constitute a town tell on the basis of commitment stupidity. This is based on the idea that mafia would want to remain flexible with regards to claims in the future in case they find themselves in a jam or want to progress their case further by claiming a role that would enable them to bus their own partner. My gut tells me that T-Block is not claiming VT at face-value though, so prior analysis is somewhat non-applicable.
T-Block’s #25 is awkward. The elipses are placed haphazardly as if T-Block intentionally wrote the post to maximize it’s scumminess, “Yeah it’s all good…” Seriously? Not sure if you were trying to give me the impression of you smoking a blunt, but you totally pulled it off. Frustrating post is frustrating.
Raziek’s #26, thank you.
T-Block’s #27, T-Block get out of here.
Raziek’s #30, I’m not sure why Raziek thinks that town is under obligation to lynch T-Block for simply existing. The only justification is that he himself finds #25 a major scum tell that pushes T-Block to the top of his scum list. I’m not sure what constitutes a T-Block lynch being a necessity either. The presumptions in the in this paragraph need more explanation. I can’t follow his thought process on what he has explained alone.
I also disagree with his analysis in the second paragraph. I find if pro-town if he did commit to a face value claim of being VT for reasons aforementioned. I believe that if T-block is a PR, then it his maneuver would be a liability as a protective might choose another slot for it’s night actions due to T-Block not receiving any mod-confirmed information. Raziek should have explained more on this, but this is more mechanics related speculation and not really of interest to me.
In the third paragraph I believe Raziek is assigning a read to his own post lol. I suppose this is a really minor town tell as I usually don’t see scum noting their own behavior as an alignment tell. It does remain questionable that Raziek settles on his irritation only being a null tell? Hmm, null tell? Really? Why not a town tell Raziek? If you were trying to preserve objectivity by assigning yourself a null tell, you already lost any sense of objective assessment by assigning YOURSELF a tell. I like the “big steaming dump of WIFOM” statement at the end. It leaves behind some sentiment that the exchange is sincere. Therefore Raziek|T-Block aren’t a likely mafia team.
Unlikely Mafia Teams (TvT or TvS i.e. either no mafia or one mafia in these pairings):
a. Gustave | John2k4
b. Gustave | Vinyl
c. T-Block | Raziek
John2k4’s #37: Pays attention to T-Block and his commentary but ignores Raziek. Really? More playful interaction, his ribbing at T-Block strikes me as being similar to how he treated Kantrip. Isn’t treating the interaction seriously. This is relevant at a later point. Also, no Gustave? Where is Gustave D:?
T-Block’s #38: T-Block basically addresses the gist of what I wanted to get at with regards to Raziek’s #30. “The rest of your questions are garbage. Tell me why.” Damn. There is a lot of end heat attached to the end of each post. It left me some doubt as to whether the similarity is coincidence or construct.
Raziek’s #39: “If you're VT, Scum can mislynch you later. Pro-Scum. If you're VT and they kill you, Town gains.”
> Completely ignoring T-Block’s contributions in terms of producing reads on other players.
“If you're a PR, you've likely drawn enough WIFOM for someone to kill you just to clear the air. Either your PR hides behind the curtain of WIFOM (pro-Town), or you die. (Pro-Scum)”
Yes. If T-Block is a PR and he dies, that would suck.
“The only way this benefits you is if you're scum, because now Town has to consider the above possibilities, because you've precluded any intent of your play by claiming VT.”
That’s reaching.
“If you think my questions are garbage, YOU are going to tell me why, or you're going to answer them.”
“T-Block, talk to me about the playerlist. Who have you played with before? Who is a threat? Who's an easy mislynch?”
I believe those are standard RVS questions. T-Block’s #21 indicates that he wants to move away from RVS by choosing to claim VT. Whether he is fake-claiming VT as scum or a PR or legitimately claiming VT as a VT, it is clear that he is not setting up an orthodox RVS that you were appealing to in your list of questions.
Auspher's #40: Very awkward. Not sure of what to make of this post at the moment.
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Soon I shall vanish, to not be seen til Sunday. Day 1.4
1. Vinyl. [0]
2. The Paprika Killer [0]
3. John2k4 [0]
4. Teran [0]
5. Auspher [2] Gustave, Kantrip,
6. Gustave [0]
7. JO_OEY [0]
8. RocketPSIence [0]
9. T-Block [0]
10. Kantrip [3] John2k4, JO_OEY, Raziek,
11. Raziek [1] Vinyl.,
Note Voting: Acrostic, John2k4, Teran, Auspher, RocketPSIence, T-Block,
Deadline is set to November 21st 11:59 PM CST. It takes 6/11 to lynch.
1. Vinyl. [0]
2. The Paprika Killer [0]
3. John2k4 [0]
4. Teran [0]
5. Auspher [2] Gustave, Kantrip,
6. Gustave [0]
7. JO_OEY [0]
8. RocketPSIence [0]
9. T-Block [0]
10. Kantrip [3] John2k4, JO_OEY, Raziek,
11. Raziek [1] Vinyl.,
Note Voting: Acrostic, John2k4, Teran, Auspher, RocketPSIence, T-Block,
Deadline is set to November 21st 11:59 PM CST. It takes 6/11 to lynch.
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I really hate that I have to do this, but there's just way to much going on for me right now to keep up with this game. I'm in the middle of finals and cranking out papers, and this won't all be over until after Monday...and even then, there will be a lot of family stuff going on for the upcoming holiday.
I'm sorry, guys...
I really hate that I have to do this, but there's just way to much going on for me right now to keep up with this game. I'm in the middle of finals and cranking out papers, and this won't all be over until after Monday...and even then, there will be a lot of family stuff going on for the upcoming holiday.
I'm sorry, guys...
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Is the previous votecount 100% correct?
Is the previous votecount 100% correct?
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Teehee
vote: Auspher
vote: Auspher
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Auspher. Do you really have to replace out? At this point you are just encouraging people to lynch you as there is likely not going to be a ready replacement unless Red Ryu gets someone from D-games Premium and also your previous posts have given little to no information with regards to your alignment and has no connections on flip. I don't believe that you are so inconvenienced that you can't contribute something. A paragraph even, to help us out.Request replacement
I really hate that I have to do this, but there's just way to much going on for me right now to keep up with this game. I'm in the middle of finals and cranking out papers, and this won't all be over until after Monday...and even then, there will be a lot of family stuff going on for the upcoming holiday.
I'm sorry, guys...
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Have a legal lease dumped on me at the moment, I should be able to burn through it in the next two hours. Expect me to finish catching up later this afternoon approx. next five to seven hours or so. I would like to note that we should shape up a lynch today and get claims by today | tomorrow. Lynching Auspher today is a policy lynch at this point which will leave us little to no connections tomorrow. I want Auspher to man-up and stay in the game since I think he's an easy read when he actually plays i.e. Higurashi mafia, however that requires heavy content from him right now. Also I may not be as active with UTrick mafia going up. That takes priority over this game.
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Are you surprised?Oh look, apparently TB was BS'ing that ban...
I told you I was vee teeeeee
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Acrostic, I appreciate the effort you're putting into this, but some of the conclusions you draw are... iffy.
Interesting point on rPSI/Vinyl. Nothing at all conclusive, but something to keep in mind.
Gustave/John not being on a team is silly - I don't see how the fact that John chose to copy Gustave's post suggests that they are not on a mafia team together.
Why the hell wouldn't scum note their own behaviour as an alignment tell, especially if the tell in question is null? How can you call noting your own behaviour a minor town tell? I don't see it.
Interesting point on rPSI/Vinyl. Nothing at all conclusive, but something to keep in mind.
Gustave/John not being on a team is silly - I don't see how the fact that John chose to copy Gustave's post suggests that they are not on a mafia team together.
Why the hell wouldn't scum note their own behaviour as an alignment tell, especially if the tell in question is null? How can you call noting your own behaviour a minor town tell? I don't see it.
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Ok, I'll see if I can get one, I'll be V/LA this weekend though, so I'll do what I can.Request replacement
I really hate that I have to do this, but there's just way to much going on for me right now to keep up with this game. I'm in the middle of finals and cranking out papers, and this won't all be over until after Monday...and even then, there will be a lot of family stuff going on for the upcoming holiday.
I'm sorry, guys...
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Had to change the number on Auspher from 1 to 2, error on my part, but other than that I believe so.
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Pointless gambit was pointless. I seriously don't think Auspher even recognized your gambit.
Why didn't you pick a more active player?
Why didn't you pick a more active player?
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I agree now would be a good time to start deciding on a direction. Thought about it about it a bit, and I'm not sure Auspher is still where I want my vote though.
I am okay with lynching the following players toDay:
Auspher, Raziek, Teran, Gustave
I agree now would be a good time to start deciding on a direction. Thought about it about it a bit, and I'm not sure Auspher is still where I want my vote though.
I am okay with lynching the following players toDay:
Auspher, Raziek, Teran, Gustave
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Auspher not because of his replacement request, but because he has been bothering to read the thread but his contributions are:
- "An indie? What's that? "
- "You Nova Scotians and your extra time... "
- "I want to hear T-Block's answers to Raziek's question. He gave a lot of good insight in the last game, so I would love to hear his thoughts on the player list. "
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I was going to post my reasoning on other players, but HANG ON
John, you're not sheeping me this game, right?
What is your reasoning for being okay with a Teran lynch? How does his play differ from rPSI's, and why are you not okay with an rPSI lynch?
What is your reasoning for Gustave?
John, you're not sheeping me this game, right?
What is your reasoning for being okay with a Teran lynch? How does his play differ from rPSI's, and why are you not okay with an rPSI lynch?
What is your reasoning for Gustave?
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V-LA from today till sunday for a marching band audition :v.
I just bought Skyward Sword.
I'll do the decent thing and drop out.
Sorry, but I didn't realise it was coming out today in Europe instead of on the 20something so :/
If I manage to complete the game quickly enough I'll let you know (if I haven't been replaced), but yeah.
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I'll do the decent thing and drop out.
Sorry, but I didn't realise it was coming out today in Europe instead of on the 20something so :/
If I manage to complete the game quickly enough I'll let you know (if I haven't been replaced), but yeah.
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