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[Pluvia]

Also I got mad ninja'd. Takes forever to type on touch screen.

 

[Kantrip]

I'd think about the intent behind things and not worry about who defends you to avoid manipulation.

That said, Pluvia's latest post is looking more new town and his explanation made sense. To be honest, I agree with Gustave's analysis more than T-block's.

I still think T-block is town, but I've got enough out of his gambit now to say Pluvia can be town.

Unvote

 

[Kantrip]

@Raz, I want you to weigh in on all this when you can.

 

[Jim Morrison]

I think a Raziek/Pluvia scumteam looks good to me.

Raziek's reaction to the gambit was very telling, as he tried to shut it down to protect Auspher from outing himself or doing something rash in lieu. Your gambit on Pluvia also says the same thing to me. The first responses suggested he is scum, and after like a day he finally says what I would expect from a townie.

Why? Because Raziek told him what to say in the QT and coached a bit.

Not sure where my vote is, but if it's not on Pluvia I want it to be. I like your gambits and agree with what you got from them, T-block.

Vote: Pluvia

I'd think about the intent behind things and not worry about who defends you to avoid manipulation.

That said, Pluvia's latest post is looking more new town and his explanation made sense. To be honest, I agree with Gustave's analysis more than T-block's.

I still think T-block is town, but I've got enough out of his gambit now to say Pluvia can be town.

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What specifically triggered these sudden changes of heart?

 

[Kantrip]

Re-reading the conversation again this morning along with seeing your interpretation made me unsure. The recent post by Pluvia saying he only trusts Chibo changed my mind.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Then, does Chibo/Pluvia scumteam look unlikely to you?

 

[T-block]

Lol Chibo. It's not my fault you somehow have it on your head that you can possibly play this game competently without having read the damn thread. It's not at all unreasonable to expect people to see what I'm doing. Kantrip and gustave did. Yeah you replaced at an unfortunate time with respect to that, but maybe if you read to frickin thread you might have got it.

We need a decision guys. I'm fine with not lynching Pluvia today. Raz, Chibo, Gustave can all still go.

I think I've still not given my reasoning because I was waiting for John...I'll do that when I get home

 

[Jim Morrison]

You don't have to elaborate on why you want to lynch us, but what exactly do you plan to do with the 3 other people who hardly post?

 

[T-block]

Make them feel very bad about themselves

 

[Kantrip]

We're not lynching Raz toDay without more against him, as much as I would like to. If this game were more active I would consider it, but we literally have to remove inactive players with our lynches if we want to have active players left after a few Nights.

Gustave has also been posting frequently and well enough that I wouldn't want to lynch him D1. Chibo I would be fine with. Also all of the people who are apparently in this game but whose name I can't remember can also go.

 

[Kantrip]

Then, does Chibo/Pluvia scumteam look unlikely to you?

Yes it looks unlikely, but I wouldn't rule it out if Pluvia was scum, because Chibo has given me nothing to suggest he is town (besides the WIFOM involved with refusing to read the thread).

 

[CT Chia]

Chibo, you are reaching mad hard. I see the townie intent pretty clearly from both of T-block's plays, and I played along too.

I don't see T-block scum at this moment.

It's like an option select. It's something that could easily benefit scum, but when called out on it, say some townie intent to it. I don't like it though, because the scum intent could definitely be there and the fact that no one jumped to defend Pluvia and debunk what Tblock said is VERY awkward, and seems like it was planned in a QT.

Lol Chibo. It's not my fault you somehow have it on your head that you can possibly play this game competently without having read the damn thread. It's not at all unreasonable to expect people to see what I'm doing. Kantrip and gustave did. Yeah you replaced at an unfortunate time with respect to that, but maybe if you read to frickin thread you might have got it.

We need a decision guys. I'm fine with not lynching Pluvia today. Raz, Chibo, Gustave can all still go.

I think I've still not given my reasoning because I was waiting for John...I'll do that when I get home

I'm not gonna sit here and twiddle my thumbs reading through the entire thread while all the current stuff is going on keeping me inactive from what's important. I'm going to trust summaries of important things that happened so far since no one should have any motive to lie to me. Perhaps when it's night and we don't need to be caught up on the current discussion (since there is none then) I can go review some past of the game. That's the problem with people replacing in games usually, it takes them many real life says to get caught up and it holds up the game.

 

[T-block]

people didn't jump up to defend Pluvia because it was actually quite obvious what I was doing to anyone who is reading at any level beyond the shallowest of surface levels

I'm not going to limit my play just because you were looking for someone to sheep. "I have a play that could catch scum, but I'm not going to use it because Chibo might take my word too seriously". Sorry bro- that's not my style.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Vinyl for policy lynch plz.
The less he posts the madder I get.

 

[Kantrip]

The problem with summarizing is you can't get your own opinion of anything because you won't have it in context. If you want a summary of what has happened as far as I can remember, though:

-At the very start of the game, T-block "breadloafed" that he was a VT this game, spurring a very large back-and-forth between him and Raziek. Raziek argued that the claim had no pro-town intentions behind it and thought it was really dumb.

-I jumped in and argued that Raziek's questions at T-block had no pro-town intentions either (you would need to read back to see the questions and the way the answers looked in context).

-Raziek and I had a back-and-forth about content and RVS and other assorted game elements.

-JO_OEY made a case against me that looked like it had townie intent behind it to me and T-block, but it was a pretty weak case.

-The game slowed down so some players formed a wagon on Auspher to try and get something going. It didn't help much and T-block pulled his "dayvig" gambit on Auspher.

-Auspher replaced out and T-block used another gambit against Pluvia. That brings us generally to where you replaced in.

That's as much as I remember, though I'm probably forgetting lots of little things and it really would be best if you just read through whatever you could if you're concerned about what happened before now.

 

[T-block]

vote: Chibo

 

[Kantrip]

I'll need explanations on that one.

 

[T-block]

Eh maybe I want Gustave...you sure you don't want to lynch him?

 

[Kantrip]

You'd have to sell me on Gustave, but it's not out of the question.

We'd need to start now, though.

 

[T-block]

I agree things need to start happening. I'm not at a computer though =(

 

[Kantrip]

rPSI could be town though.

Interesting.



Vote: Vinyl.

 

[Kantrip]

rPSI, I see you viewing. I hope you're catching up and posting thoughts, but if not:

What do you think of T-block and his gambits?

Did you get anything out of Pluvia from his reactions and responses?

Who do you want to lynch?

 

[Raziek]

Had a tournament yesterday.

T-Block, I think you're off base on the Pluvia-scum read, and I even let you play that one out for a second chance on that slot's alignment. Your first gambit was poor because Auspher wasn't even here.

On that note, suggesting a Pluvia/Raziek scumteam is WAY off-base and I don't see where that conclusion is even being drawn outside of obviously opportunistic WIFOM by Kantrip.

Okay, here's what needs to happen.

Gustave



This needs an answer.


John



This needs answers. Specifically, why is Teran on his list but not rPSI, and why Gustave.

Raziek



This needs an answer. More specifically now, does you agree with the tells on Pluvia, and if so, is he our lynch for toDay?

I think a Raziek/Pluvia scumteam looks good to me.

Raziek's reaction to the gambit was very telling, as he tried to shut it down to protect Auspher from outing himself or doing something rash in lieu. Your gambit on Pluvia also says the same thing to me. The first responses suggested he is scum, and after like a day he finally says what I would expect from a townie.

Why? Because Raziek told him what to say in the QT and coached a bit.

Not sure where my vote is, but if it's not on Pluvia I want it to be. I like your gambits and agree with what you got from them, T-block.

Vote: Pluvia

This is really ****ing grimy.

I think I am already, but vote: Kantrip.

I will take a Kantrip lynch or an inactive today. John needs to post more content, Vinyl just straight up needs to post.

 

[Raziek]

Sorry, that T-Block quote isn't supposed to be there. Was referring only to Kantrip's post.

 

[Kantrip]

If you had to pick another lynch, who would it be? You said you would lynch me or an inactive; which inactive would you prefer?

 

[Kantrip]

I re evaluated the Pluvia read and I have him as town, Raz.

The main reason I lumped you in on that is because you were already a scum read of mine.

 

[Pluvia]

So what happens if the vote is a draw?

 

[Jim Morrison]

There can't be a draw with a majority lynch.
If the number of votes for a lynch is not met, no lynch will take place.

 

[Pluvia]

Also what does WIFOM mean? And who are all the inactives?

 

[Jim Morrison]

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page

This site should provide you some help. You can tell who inactives are if they hardly post.
Like Vinyl rPSI, Joey (to a lesser extent, put forth SOME content) for now.

 

[John2k4]

@Mod - Request Votecount

I don't like Chibo, but I do not want to vote him just yet.

 

[Jim Morrison]

John, you should think everytime you post something like "I like person X" or "I dislike person X", it makes it easy on everyone say "I like/dislike person X BECAUSE..."

Because, I mean, reasoning will be asked and needed anyway.

John, what is your reasoning?

 

[John2k4]

Alright, let's see...

He doesn't want to read through 10 pages of fluff, and a few pages of play. He says that he will trust people to sum up the gameplay for him. How does he know a scum player wouldn't try to bend things while talking to him? My thought is that his scumbuddy(ies) told him what he needed to know gameplay-wise, so he wanted the town summary of what was going on, to see where their mindsets are. Therefore, he would know who they feel is scummy, and if it is not one of his scumbuds, then he would make a case on a townie, to get a mislynch.

Vote: Chibo

 

[Kantrip]

Unvote, Vote: John2k4

Why would scum ever do that? If he already got caught up by scumbuddies he would probably post in thread saying he has read or, or just not address the situation in the first place. Saying you don't want to read after replacing in is a null tell that might even lean towards lazy townie (but WIFOM, so it doesn't), and you're beyond reaching trying to say it makes Chibo look scummy.

Try a real lynch target, please.

 

[John2k4]

My point is, it's Day 1, and with only 300-ish posts (probably a good 1/3rd being pregame shenanigans between TB and Raz), why would he be so opposed to reading?

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Have been unbelievably busy. Pluvia's intro post struck me as something noob town statement. I do not want to see him on the lynch block today. Add in Gustave to that list. The following players I do not want to lynch today at the moment are: Pluvia, Gustave, and T-block.

 

[John2k4]

Kantrip, if you *just* replaced into the game at this point, would you make an attempt to at least skim through and get a general idea as to what's going on for yourself, or would you block your mind out and demand summaries?

 

[Kantrip]

Acrostic, I assume you've read everything now?

@John: Yes I would, but that's just me and we can't make assumptions about other people's time or willingness to read through a bunch of pages of a game they weren't involved in. Your justification for it being a scum tell is very off base by assuming not wanting to read = scumbuddies already caught him up.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Acrostic, I assume you've read everything now?

I should be ready with my lynch pick and reasons within two or three hours. Any time I've had available has been spent on U'Trick since it started. So I've been slacking hardcore on this game. Sorry :l

 

[T-block]

Ew Raziek. Kantrip is pretty solidly town in my eyes atm.

On the other hand, why the hell is he voting John?