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[T-block]

Go back and read, Joey and Raziek.

I asked you to enter that hypothetical situation BECAUSE you stated you were scared of what scum could do. See Raziek's post 30. My asking for your take on the hypothetical situation comes well after that.

 

[Kantrip]

JO_OEY, how is being all over the place scummy?

What motivation would I have to do what I have been doing as scum? How does it help my game? I don't see what you're seeing, obviously.

 

[Kantrip]

Vote: Raziek

 

[CT Chia]

If it's between me and Raziek, consider my vote on Raziek for now.

I don't like Chibo right now, but it could just be something about him being way off base.

I would really prefer not being lynched toDay, because of the number game that always comes with disco games. I'll hammer myself if it means avoiding a No Lynch, though. I feel like I was definitely out there toDay and there are connections all around.

Explain the bolded please, I don't get it.

My policy is to give extensions to people who replaced in tome to catch up and read/play.

Regardless if you want it or not I'm giving it to the player list.

All cool,

---

Kantrip, do you think Raz is actually scummy or you just want to vote him so it's not you?

 

[Kantrip]

Chibo, I have thought Raz was scummy from very early in this game.

The number game I'm talking about is the ratio of inactives to players who can possibly win the game for town. In DR games there is always a majority composed of the former.

I'd rather not lynch Raz or myself D1 because of this, but since it seems to be between the two of us and I did find him scummy, I can go for a Raz lynch.

 

[CT Chia]

Could you please summarize your case on Raziek? (This has nothing to do with me re-reading or not)

 

[CT Chia]

In one concise post*

 

[T-block]

Chibo, thoughts on the playerlist so far and scum picks please.

 

[T-block]

Here you go dudes:

Vinyl.: - He is completely null on alignment due to lack of content, and it doesn't help that half his posts don't qualify as intelligible English. I agree that his first post about rPSI could be telling, and should be kept in mind if rPSI ever flips. His vote on Raziek suggests that he is town if Raziek flips scum. He is not skilled enough to know about distancing/bussing, and if he were being coached to do so, I think he would have tried to post more content against Raziek. If Raziek flips town, I've got nothing on Vinyl. He would be a strong choice for a cop target in that case.

Acrostic - A little wary of this slot, but he has shown good effort and what I feel to be genuine scumhunting. Nothing conclusive on a scum or town flip from either Raziek or Kantrip - I could see Acrostic being tricky enough to attack either scum or town as scum. Slight town points if Raziek flips scum though, but don't give that too much weight.

John2k4 - Yeah I've got no clue. John is John. Some of his stuff feels like genuine town trying to play well, and his recent vote on Chibo gives me a decent town vibe from him. However, there are also things like his placing Teran on his lynch list without placing rPSI... although he doesn't try to make up some reason (there ARE differences to be found between Teran's and rPSI's play that could be used) - he just straight up says he forgot, which is more town than scum imo. He's actually leaning town slightly to me overall. A scum flip from Chibo will basically clear him for me though. Decent cop choice, but there are better.

vVv ChiboSempai - See my 401 for my thoughts on this slot pre-replacement. I don't particularly have an alignment read on him with respect to his vote on me or his inability to reconcile my play (although it is annoying as hell and makes me view him as useless so I wouldn't mind seeing him dead). I still wouldn't mind him as a D1 lynch, but I think this is a slot where his alignment will be more clear later in the game, once we have more flips, so I think we have better choices for toDay. He absolutely absolutely needs to give full reads and scum picks before the end of the day though. I'll make a separate post asking for it. If he doesn't, he would make a good cop choice as well, although he is active so there are once again better choices.

Pluvia - Reasoning provided. I still think the initial reaction to my statement was offputting, but I can see that it's not as strong a tell as I originally thought it was. However, I don't see where the noobtown labels are coming from at all - people need to keep in mind that if he is scum, he is being coached. Scum flip from Raziek does NOT clear Pluvia in any way - do not let anyone try to convince you otherwise.

Gustave - See my 401. His zeal to lynch inactives is a little disturbing, but I've seen town members think the same way. However, I think he is hiding behind the inactives to avoid contributing to the actual substance of the Day, and pressuring inactives is very easy to do, and I don't necessarily believe that he hasn't gained enough information about other players to still want to go with an inactive lynch. I also don't believe his reasoning for being fine with Teran but not rPSI. Unlike John, he tried to give a reason for the difference between Teran and rPSI - but is "personal liking" really enough to overcome his hatred for inactives that is supposedly so strong? Moreover, I honestly cannot find any instance of a stance on Kantrip or Raziek - most of his posts are concerned with the inactives of this game. Nothing to be learned about his alignment from any flip, because he hasn't done anything. His 368 also does not sit well with me at all: "You don't have to elaborate on why you want to lynch us, but what exactly do you plan to do with the 3 other people who hardly post? " It is really strange that he says I don't have to elaborate... it's like he doesn't want to have to defend himself from any points brought up against him - it'd be easier for him to propose an alternate course of action - note that he once again deflects to inactives here.

JO_OEY - Debating on whether to put him as Yellow or Pale Green, since my read on him is very conditional on Raziek's alignment. I liked the case on Kantrip and saw townie intent behind it. HOWEVER, if Raziek flips scum, Joey drops to orange to me. Raziek was the main focus at the time Joey presented his case, with nobody making any motion to move in a different direction. Could easily be moving attention off a scummate. If Raziek flips town, though, Joey can be town.

RocketPSIence - Completely null. Only thing he's done is to voice dislike for Kantrip while stating he wasn't actually scummy. Strong cop choice. Definite vig target if we have one.

Kantrip - A bit hesitant to use the lime green with this being only D1, but there is a player who would get it, it would be Kantrip. He's definitely my strongest town read at the moment. Joey's case made some points of worth, but I take them as null because I have seen Kantrip do it as town before. He has since stepped up his play by quite a bit. He's worked with me to hunt scum (Pluvia incident) while putting in effort to hunt scum by himself - I can see that he is thinking logically, and his play has been fairly consistent. He is also coming to his own conclusions, showing independent thought.

Raziek - 448 pretty much covers everything. Add that he is still defending himself with things that are simply false in his most recent post.

As you can see, we're actually not doing that badly on inactivity. It's really only Vinyl. and rPSI who are inactive. The rest have shown that they are able to contribute. Let's not be that scared of inactivity - it's not THAT big of a problem this game, now that these replacements have happened.

 

[T-block]

Gustave also needs to list his scum picks and GIVE REASONING for them.

Gustave, if you are going to once again insist on lynching inactives, then at least give thoughts on Kantrip and on Raziek. If you had to guess their alignment right now, what would it be? Again, provide reasoning.

 

[T-block]

Raziek at L-2. I'm fine with a claim whenever.

 

[CT Chia]

Unvote Vote Kantrip

And now Kantrip is at L-2 as well.

So who's gonna claim? Equal pressure again.

I would advise against either of them claiming atm unless they feel it is imperative or until one of the two becomes the main focus on the lynch. Two claims in a day is a bad idea imo, just putting that out there.

Will answer your question very soon TBlock, within 40 min minimum, or a couple hours max (since I'm going on my lunch break soon at work and won't be at a computer for that hour).

 

[CT Chia]

Because I like being random and seeing my Nemesis avatar makes me think of him in UMvC3 lol

 

[T-block]

Unvote Vote Kantrip

And now Kantrip is at L-2 as well.

So who's gonna claim? Equal pressure again.

I would advise against either of them claiming atm unless they feel it is imperative or until one of the two becomes the main focus on the lynch. Two claims in a day is a bad idea imo, just putting that out there.

Will answer your question very soon TBlock, within 40 min minimum, or a couple hours max (since I'm going on my lunch break soon at work and won't be at a computer for that hour).

I'll hold you to it. Should be implied, but I'm expecting reasoning for choosing Kantrip.

 

[T-block]

Actually, if anyone could summarize the points on Kantrip that'd be cool. Is it really mostly Joey's case?

@mod: The votecount in 454 has John listed twice. I think he is voting Chibo

So Kantrip is actually at 3 votes.

Speaking of which, John, it looks like you're going to play an important role in deciding who gets lynched here. Read my 448 and my 489. Then read whatever comes up against Kantrip.

 

[CT Chia]

Vinyl.

Need to see him post more before I can decide. Has he played any other mafia games before? I don't like how his vote is still on Raziek to my knowledge. This quote is awkward:

I'm not good at mafia games, bro.
I'll try to manage on why I'm not scum.

Vinyl is basically going to be my next go to discussion target once I'm past the Tblock and Kantrip business. Giving Vinyl the benefit of the back burner so he can post more, because atm I don't feel about about Tblock and Kantrip and they are being active at least.

Acrostic

He doesn't seem bad to me, but his views on players in the game contradict mine... He's active, which is good, and nothing immediately stands out as a red flag to me. I would like to read into him more for the sake of it, but no specific reason (I don't suspect him of anything yet).

John2k4

His call out on me screams dumb-town, and doesn't feel scummy at all. I don't think scum would ever make a case like that on someone.

ChiboSempai

Pluvia

I don't know much about Pluvia himself yet since he replaced in recently (same time as me), but hasn't spoken as much about me. His coyness in being put under fire from TBlock isn't particularly telling, and is null, or at least more good than scum. His reaction didn't seem scummy.

Gustave

Gustave looks to be all over the place, if that makes any sense to you. I'm more null on him, I don't feel town or scum on him yet. I don't enjoy his play however as it feels a little too much by the book, like "THIS IS WHAT YOU DO ON DAY 1, THEN ON DAY 2 YOU DO THIS." He is basically what prompted my earlier post about my annoyance on people throwing around terms and not using instinct. However this doesn't attribute to scummy play, just sayin'.

JO_OEY

Little on the inactive side, but not a big problem. He's around. His posts don't raise any flags to me, and the little bits he's shared I somewhat agree with (maybe not 100% completely though), like what he said about Joey. No problem here I think.

RocketPSIence

Has said like nothing, though he did mention Kantrip at one point (I think it's the only person he's mentioned). Interested to see how he reacts to Kantrip's flip, whatever it may be, if he is lynched.

T-Block

I don't like your play at all this game, I feel like it's based to much on deceiving actions and tricks than playing a legit townie game.

Kantrip

Feels fairly buddy buddy with Tblock, and since I don't feel good about Tblock, guess how I think about you lol. I don't like how you're reacting to you and Raziek being on the chopping block, you feel far less legit than him.

Raziek

All of his posts from what I have seen have raised no flags to me. I see no reason to think poorly of him, and I agree with him on most of his stances that I see.



If anyone could answer my Vinyl question I bolded that would be awesome.

 

[CT Chia]

Not going to be around for a couple hours, since my lunch break is soon. Just letting people know since time is of the essence here.

This game is going to be awkward to read in the future if I change my avatar lol.

 

[CT Chia]

Oh wait deadline is tomorrow, that's right. Ok it's a little more lax then I suppose (EVEN THOUGH I'M OK WITHOUT THE EXTENSION, GET AT ME).

But I'ma still be around with my command grabs, tentacles, and rocket launcher.

 

[Pluvia]

Unvote, Vote: Kantrip

I realised that I should go with my gut feeling here. Voting for rpsi seems almost pointless seeing as though he's not here, and Kantrip is just setting me off like crazy, so yeah I'm voting for him.

I've been mulling about it for ages now and I'd rather have a vote that did something rather than a vote on rpsi that affects nothing.

 

[T-block]

Vinyl played D1 of Housepets before replacing out. He didn't do much at all - I'm not even sure if he kept up with the game.

Chibo, I really hope you can get over the fact that I've been using deception and begin looking at my play as a bigger picture. I played "legit townie" in Pokemon Mafia in LoD, didn't I? I was scum there and wrecked your ****. I played pretty straight up in Housepets as scum and wrecked town there too. You're not going to be able to meta me based on my playstyle, ESPECIALLY when we haven't been in the same game for quite a while now. My style this game is not a scum tell. It's not a town tell either. It's completely null. Not to sound arrogant, but I'm far too strong of a player for you to be able to discern my alignment off of something so trivial.

You think Kantrip and I are the scum team then? Do you have reasons for suspecting Kantrip other than his relationship with me?

 

[Raziek]

Man, that T-Block response is grossssss. You aren't Ryker.

 

[T-block]

I'm not trying to be - stop being stupid. The fact that I've lied is null - surely you're not going to disagree with that, Raziek?

 

[Raziek]

Yes, actually, I am.

Townies need a very good reason to lie, and excluding your gambit on Pluvia as he replaced in, I'm not seeing one. You've twisted almost everything I've said almost completely out of what my original points were.

 

[Pluvia]

And you tried twisting my words after I found out about the gambit.

 

[Vinylic.]

Vinyl.

Has he played any other mafia games before?
If anyone could answer my Vinyl question I bolded that would be awesome.

I've only played Housepets mafia before.

 

[T-block]

Nah dude. You've just been sidestepping all of my points by claiming I've been twisting.

Stop playing so mechanically - with a player list like this (with more inexperienced players) it's impossible to reliably catch competent scum using this straight up LAL play. I've lied because I think it will help me catch scum. That's the only reason I need as a townie.

 

[Kantrip]

I don't see the problems people have with T-block. I have him as a town read but I wouldn't give him a pass quite yet. He could be trying to get town points by going against the grain and saying I'm town. It's a possibility.

We may need time to process a claim, so we need to know who John wants to lynch, I think.

 

[T-block]

I think the votecount looks like this now FYI:

1. Vinyl. [1] Gustave,
2. Acrostic [0]
3. John2k4 [0]
4. vVv Chibosempai [1] John2k4
5. Pluvia [0]
6. Gustave [0]
7. JO_OEY [0]
8. RocketPSIence [0]
9. T-Block [0]
10. Kantrip [4] JO_OEY, Raziek, vVv Chibosempai, Pluvia
11. Raziek [4] Vinyl., Acrostic, T-Block, Kantrip

Not voting: RocketPSIence

 

[Raziek]

10. Kantrip [3] John2k4, JO_OEY, Raziek,
11. Raziek [3] Vinyl., Acrostic, T-Block,

Note Voting: RocketPSIence,

Deadline is set to November 22nd 11:59 PM CST. It takes 6/11 to lynch.

Telling you right now, I'm not claiming when my voting choice, T-Block and Vinyl are the only votes on me. (And Acrostic, not sure what I think of him yet.)

 

[Kantrip]

I could say the exact same goddamn thing Raziek, don't be stupid.

 

[Pluvia]

Also Vinyl has played before but is keeping quiet and only adding fluff to the thread every once in a while.

And TB said he was a good player at this game, yet he twist peoples words and constantly has to remind us that what he's doing is pro-town, so I wouldn't put it past him as being a really smart scum. Heck he even pointed out that he's wrecked people in other games when he was scum, and maybe the thing we're looking for is right in front of us, and TB seems to be the centre of everything yet is keeping our attention off him enough and onto each other, hence his lack of votes.

But still, regardless of that, I still think Kan and Raz are more likely to be scum than him. I'd mark him as being as likely as Guus, so like a yellow?

 

[Raziek]

Not really, since the 4 people voting you are actually somewhat active and have expressed reasoning to be voting you.

Vinyl's vote is literally as hollow as it gets, I may as well only have 3.

 

[Pluvia]

It really does take forever to type on toucnscreen.

 

[Kantrip]

The people on your wagon all have reasons, whether they are good reasons or not is different.

Chibo has bad reasoning for voting me.
You are my vote choice and we cancel out apparently.
Pluvia has bad reasoning for voting me.
JO_OEY is the only one on my wagon I'm okay with.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Gustave also needs to list his scum picks and GIVE REASONING for them.

Gustave, if you are going to once again insist on lynching inactives, then at least give thoughts on Kantrip and on Raziek. If you had to guess their alignment right now, what would it be? Again, provide reasoning.

No elaborate post, got an English presentation I had no idea about and a chemistry test tomorrow, after ruining my maths test today.

I suppose this is basically what everyone wants to see, my scum picks.

Correct. I'm not a good player, I can tell you that. I am seriously just unable to point my finger at someone Day 1 and say "That is the person I want to lynch because he plays like scum".
My scum reading skills on Day 1 are terrible, and I admit that.

Wrestling bears in mind, my scum reading skills are, once again, terrible on D1.

I guess I'll just post what I'm thinking.

@Mod - Request Votecount

I don't like Chibo, but I do not want to vote him just yet.

Alright, let's see...

He doesn't want to read through 10 pages of fluff, and a few pages of play. He says that he will trust people to sum up the gameplay for him. How does he know a scum player wouldn't try to bend things while talking to him? My thought is that his scumbuddy(ies) told him what he needed to know gameplay-wise, so he wanted the town summary of what was going on, to see where their mindsets are. Therefore, he would know who they feel is scummy, and if it is not one of his scumbuds, then he would make a case on a townie, to get a mislynch.

Vote: Chibo

John did something ridiculous here. He stated he didn't want to vote him yet, though 9 minutes later his vote is on Chibo after reaching mad hard with scenario's. I'm not even going to play the noob card on this one, like I always do with John, this is just terrible play against town.


I am liking Acrostic, he has done nothing to suggest he's not town. Acrostic is a town read for me.

I'd lynch Kantrip over Raziek, based on things others have pointed out which I couldn't.

I actually have no idea what to make of this game. I'll be back tomorrow.

 

[Vinylic.]

Gustave, give me your specific reasons why I'm scum.

 

[Kantrip]

Gustave would rather lynch me for reasons others have pointed out?

Which reasons?

Gross. Class now, back later.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Gustave, give me your specific reasons why I'm scum.

You're null, but useless, so I'd be fine with seeing you go but I suppose that's not happening.

I've lately also been thinking, someone who plays for scum for the first time can't literally be THIS apathic towards the game, so I'm kind of leaning to letting you live because I got more of a town read on you.

Since my vote is pretty useless now
unvote

 

[Dooms]

JO_OEY, how is being all over the place scummy?

What motivation would I have to do what I have been doing as scum? How does it help my game? I don't see what you're seeing, obviously.

If I've read fully/correctly, you have yet to put any legit pressure on anyone in this game except maybe some slight pressure on Raziek. Key word is maybe.

Seriously, I think you've been riding people's votes the whole entire game with no power behind your pushes at all.

Prove me wrong?

Also, yes, if this is the case, then this is scummy.

 

[Dooms]

JO_OEY

Little on the inactive side, but not a big problem. He's around. His posts don't raise any flags to me, and the little bits he's shared I somewhat agree with (maybe not 100% completely though), like what he said about Joey. No problem here I think.

Bolded in my section should be Kantrip, I assume?