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[T-block]

See my 489?

I do have more to say, but probably in Twilight.

Speaking of which,

@mod: Is there a set duration for Twilight?

 

[Kantrip]

Okay, I'll wait for Twilight then.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

rPSI, if I were lynched and flipped Town, what would your read be on Raziek and T-block?

How about if I flipped scum?

Same questions for if raziek is lynched, and what your read on me and T-block would be.

You're flip read is undisclosed at this time, since at this point, it seems hypothetical and null since you will more than likely not be toDay's play.

However if Raz is lynched (which seems likely), my opinion probably won't change with a town flip, I'll probably just look at connections and look at other players too. If he flips scum than I can pretty much clear T-Block (no sane mafia team would do that to each other... *note to self, check T's IRL sanity*).

 

[Kantrip]

I agree that Raziek scum makes T-Block not scum (doesn't rule out possible indy, however). By extension I would also say Raziek scum makes me town. Would you agree with this?

 

[rPSIvysaur]

It probably makes you less likely to be scum. But doesn't clear you nearly as much as it does for T.
A) the burden of proof mostly rests on T's case
B)

I put him under indy in my brain, so I'd rather see him go incase he's serial killer. but that's a bit of a reach so idk. but I'd rather keep my vote on Kantrip.

I categorize your play as indy more rather than scum.

question:
if you were serial killer / vig, who would you NK depending on Raz's flip?

 

[Kantrip]

I don't see the gain in you asking that question. What do you hope to get from my answer?

 

[rPSIvysaur]

Basically, under guise of anonymity, who would you prefer to be dead, and would Raz's flip influence such decision?

 

[Pluvia]

So there could be a serial killer?

Jeez we're all going to be dead by day 2.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

It's not likely that we'll all be dead

now if Chibo were the host

 

[Kantrip]

I still want an answer to why you're asking this question, rPSI. What will you do with this information?

If I had a killing action I would kill a useless slot like Vinyl. because we would get nothing out of the pressure leading up to that lynch, and vigging is a good method of getting rid of slots that won't help anything.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

reasons need not know

 

[John2k4]

reasons need not know

That made 0 sense to me...Are you saying: "I have my reasons, but you do not need to know them"?

 

[rPSIvysaur]

indeed :rpsivysaur:

 

[rPSIvysaur]

I still want an answer to why you're asking this question, rPSI. What will you do with this information?

If I had a killing action I would kill a useless slot like Vinyl. because we would get nothing out of the pressure leading up to that lynch, and vigging is a good method of getting rid of slots that won't help anything.

in theory, would you prefer to have Vinyl copped or vigged?

 

[Kantrip]

In theory, I would rather vig Vinyl. because even if he is town he won't help town win.

Chibo is the kind of player I would rather have copped, in my opinion.

Or, if Raziek flips town I would cop me in a theory point of view.


Will you share your reasoning in twilight?

 

[rPSIvysaur]

I'm out for the night, mom yellow at me

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

@mod: Is there a set duration for Twilight?

Nope, I'll post the flip immediately.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Note: rPSI knows something more about Serial Killer than just assuming.

 

[Dooms]

Twilight... whats that? :v.

 

[John2k4]

Period of time after the lynch, but before the night/flip for final words from people.

 

[Dooms]

It was a joke lol.

 

[Raziek]

Pheh.

vote: Kantrip

Ankoku, Town Bulletproof. (One-shot)

Kantrip is either obscenely dumb, or scum.

If T-Block lives past Day 3, you should probably lynch him unless a protective claims to have done so. Then lynch him anyway.

 

[Kantrip]

I'm obscenely dumb, I thought we already established that.

 

[T-block]

Final thoughts:

Still unsure about rPSI... definitely don't take this guy off your radar. Nothing to suggest that he is town or scum individually, but he needs to be re-read once Raziek flips. He very well could be scum.

After re-reading, I would actually clear Kantrip on a scumRaziek flip. I cannot see this as SvS, as the interaction started even at the beginning of the day.

I wish I could say I feel better about Joey with his switch, but I don't. I think scum Raziek flip makes Joey my number one scum pick. The switch was very unnatural - read 524, 531, 541, 546, 550 - there's a complete reversal from "I see no scum play in this" and "confident in a town Raziek read" to Raziek being the "obvious lynch choice", and it happens over a very small time period. I wouldn't be surprised if the vote on Acrostic was planned, to give Joey a way to jump onto the wagon.

 

[T-block]

This is pathetic. You are either scum or you are completely terrible at this game.

I am hereby willing to lay my life on the line on Raziek being scum. Lynch him toDay, and if he flips town you can lynch me.

If he flips town I don't even want to play this game anymore anyways.

I really think town Raziek would have reacted to this post.

His play has not lined up at all with a BP, and Raziek was the one going on at the beginning about how we need to reconcile our play with our role. Admittedly, he's been under fire for much of the day, which is going to hamper his scumhunting ability, but still, I've seen Raziek put more effort into a game as VT - I would expect more effort to draw the NK as a BP.

Someone hammer him.

 

[Pluvia]

I think we're all just getting cranky waiting for the day to end. We've all basically made up our minds on who we want to lynch, the deadline extension was unnecessary I think.

 

[Jim Morrison]

But, T-block, on a Kantrip lynch, would you clear Raziek then?

 

[T-block]

If Kantrip flipped scum, yes.

But Kantrip would flip town. Raziek is the one who's going to flip scum.

 

[Jim Morrison]

I'm hammering in 2 hours, when I'm off to bed. If anyone else wants to ninjahammer, be my guest!

Any questions?

 

[Kantrip]

Welp, he better flip scum.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Welp, I'm still re-reading to decide who I actually will hammer.

 

[Kantrip]

Are we both at L-1?

I thought he was a vote ahead.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Oh right. In that case I'll still re-read and vote later tonight if I'll hammer Raziek or L-1 you!

 

[Jim Morrison]

Gustave - See my 401. His zeal to lynch inactives is a little disturbing, but I've seen town members think the same way. However, I think he is hiding behind the inactives to avoid contributing to the actual substance of the Day, and pressuring inactives is very easy to do, and I don't necessarily believe that he hasn't gained enough information about other players to still want to go with an inactive lynch. I also don't believe his reasoning for being fine with Teran but not rPSI. Unlike John, he tried to give a reason for the difference between Teran and rPSI - but is "personal liking" really enough to overcome his hatred for inactives that is supposedly so strong? Moreover, I honestly cannot find any instance of a stance on Kantrip or Raziek - most of his posts are concerned with the inactives of this game. Nothing to be learned about his alignment from any flip, because he hasn't done anything. His 368 also does not sit well with me at all: "You don't have to elaborate on why you want to lynch us, but what exactly do you plan to do with the 3 other people who hardly post? " It is really strange that he says I don't have to elaborate... it's like he doesn't want to have to defend himself from any points brought up against him - it'd be easier for him to propose an alternate course of action - note that he once again deflects to inactives here.

Gonna try again...

Teran still had my benefit of the doubt over other inactives because I had hope for him, that he would still TRY. Vinyl, I had given up on before the game begun, rPSI, I couldn't imagine him being more active. Teran, I could see, or moreso, hope that he would still try. Needless to say, I was disappointed .

In defense of my 368: Reading the post now, I am quite beating myself up for it. It's easy to say now, but the whole idea of the post was to include the word "yet". You didn't have to elaborate yet, since you said you were waiting with that for John, which I respected. You know I'd rather have something to defend against than being on someone's 'red' scum picks without being given a reason.


I think my mind is made up on who I want to vote in 90-120 mins!
For now, back to studying biology...

 

[Raziek]

T-Block, is going into direct and open confrontation with you over something fairly insignificant not enough aggression to draw an NK?

God you're so scummy this game. I'm not sure you're scum, but your play is disgustingly scummy.

 

[John2k4]

TB's points against Raz are great...You've sold me.
And with that, my first hammer;

unvote; Vote Raziek

 

[Jim Morrison]

CBA to make the quite longer post I was going to make later on when I'd vote, now.

See y'all tomorrow.

 

[Raziek]

Oh my god you're a huge scrub John. T-Block was right, but his case was completely bogus and he's probably mafia.

I'm actually Twinkie, Independent Serial Killer.

Like, that was literally THE greasiest play I've ever seen by T-Block and if he's Town I'll eat my hat.

 

[Raziek]

Town better win this.

So much salt.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Well goddamnit Raziek.