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[Vinylic.]

You're being a little too null on the past pages.
You voted on raziek. Giving us the option to believe whether you are town or not.
and I still believe you are.

 

[Kantrip]

That made absolutely no sense.

 

[Kantrip]

In the process of re-reading, specifically seeing how Raziek's and T-Block's interactions went down.

This should explain how it's going so far:

Vote: T-block

 

[T-block]

Hella weak, Kantrip. Looking forward to hearing why.

vote: Gustave

 

[T-block]

Vinyl, do you have a posting restriction out something? If you don't, can you post something that other people can understand please?

 

[Kantrip]

I'll wait for a case on Gustave before I make my case against you.

 

[Vinylic.]

That's all the reasons I can give for now.

 

[T-block]

The case has already been laid out. I'll flesh it out later if I have time, maybe

 

[Kantrip]

You're being a little too null on the past pages.

How can one "be a little too null"? This already doesn't make sense, but I can live with it.

You voted on raziek. Giving us the option to believe whether you are town or not.

Yes I did vote Raziek, because I thought he was scum. "Giving us the option to believe whether you are town or not."? When does one NOT have this option? You can believe anyone is any alignment you want at any point in time. I don't understand this either.

and I still believe you are.

You still believe I am? I am what? Town? I'd think this is what you are getting at, because your last line suggests the context for this line, but that would make no sense for why you voted me.

I really hope you have some sort of restriction, because this post was entirely incomprehensible.

I'll look for that Gustave case, T-block, I didn't remember there being one.

 

[T-block]

A better use of your time would be to find any instance of Gustave giving a scum or a town read that's not based on activity.

 

[Kantrip]

I put him under indy in my brain, so I'd rather see him go incase he's serial killer. but that's a bit of a reach so idk. but I'd rather keep my vote on Kantrip.

Was this rPSI predicting Raziek's role? What is this, I don't even?

 

[T-block]

I will post a summary of the stuff on Gustave in 24 hours.

I reserve the right to delay this by up to another 24 hours if I feel people haven't been posting enough in the meanwhile.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Drinks Drinks Drinks! It is now Day 2.1

1. Vinyl. [0]
2. John2k4 [0]
3. vVv Chibosempai [0]
4. Pluvia [0]
5. Gustave [1] T-Block,
6. JO_OEY [0]
7. RocketPSIence [0]
8. T-Block [0]
9. Kantrip [1] Vinyl.

Note Voting: Gustave, JO_OEY, vVv Chibosempai, Pluvia, RocketPSIence, John2k4,

Deadline is set to December 2nd 11:59 PM CST. It takes 5/9 to lynch.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

Why are you withholding info?

 

[T-block]

I'm not withholding. You'll get it soon enough.

Where's your head at atm, rPSI?

 

[Dooms]

I'm not going to be able to get a new premium subscription any time soon I believe :/.

Vote: Kantrip

 

[T-block]

Can anyone catch me up on the past couple pages? I didn't have Disco Room access. I'm going to read either way within the next day or so, just wondering.

Would you even trust a summary from me? xP

Starting from 561:

rPSI comes in and actually does stuff. He thought Kantrip was SK for some reason, thinks Raziek is not scum.
People question rPSI because he's actually here.
Raziek claims town BP, votes Kantrip.
T-block makes a bunch of connections to Raziek mafia (584)
Gustave comes in and posts, but does nothing.
John hammers Raziek.
Raziek admits he was SK.
Raziek flips out and lets emotions overcome him, saying there's no way T-block is town, despite saying he wasn't sure that T-block was scum with his post right before that.
Raziek calls for Chibo and Gustave to ensure that T-block dies D2.
T-block scrambles to throw info out in case he dies, because indyRaziek means all the connections he put out are no longer valid

Take it as you will - this is from MY perspective, so I'm not trying to be unbiased or anything here. Others will tell you if this is an inaccurate account though.

 

[Dooms]

Requesting replacement.

I'm not getting more premium until after Christmas or later, and I want to give the replacement enough time to read and stuff before the day is over so my vote isn't stuck on some random at the end of the day.

Sorry :/.

 

[T-block]

SOMEBODY BUY THE MAN PREMIUM

caps

 

[Kantrip]

Oh that reminds me, my premium is out in a couple of days too. I should probably get on that.

 

[CT Chia]

Kantrip weren't you relatively on TBlocks side yesterday? My mind is a little hazy.

 

[CT Chia]

Raziek calls for Chibo and Gustave to ensure that T-block dies D2.

This is odd... I'm surprised he acted in such a way since he was indy and without a winning team per se. I need to go read into this.

Anyone have thoughts on Gustave, more relating to this than anything else? My thoughts have been askew about him.

 

[Kantrip]

Yes Chibo, I was. However, I'm going back on that now. Raziek flipped indy, which isn't mafia. This means if T-block is scum he would have thought his back-and-forth with Raziek was TvS. Meaning I'm treating Raziek's flip as town for the sake of reading T-block's intent from their interactions. I'm not liking what I'm seeing.

 

[CT Chia]

Gustave, why don't you think there is a TBlock and Kantrip scum team?

 

[CT Chia]

Yes Chibo, I was. However, I'm going back on that now. Raziek flipped indy, which isn't mafia. This means if T-block is scum he would have thought his back-and-forth with Raziek was TvS. Meaning I'm treating Raziek's flip as town for the sake of reading T-block's intent from their interactions. I'm not liking what I'm seeing.

Could you please elaborate a tad on why you think TB vs Raziek was TvS and not possibly TvT (where indy can be considered T)

 

[CT Chia]

If the consensus is slowly becoming TBlock as much as I think it is/will, then I am dowwwwnnnnn

Haven't liked his play all game.

 

[Kantrip]

The way the conversation mutually ended, the amount of WIFOM involved, etc.

It just did not resonate as the kind of conversation two townies would have with each other. I'll make a proper case when I'm not feeling so lazy (probably after T-block does his thing against Gustave, as I said earlier).

 

[CT Chia]

Food for thought:

I think one of the most "obvious" people Scum-TBlock would want killed is me. Me calling him out and dissecting his play from the moment I joined, to Raziek's dying wish wanting me (and well, Gustave) to get TBlock (and I have no reason not to believe Raziek's beliefs).

This means, if TBlock is not scum, scum would probably try to kill me to pin the NK on TBlock, and if TBlock is scum, he would not kill me to not draw the connection.

 

[CT Chia]

The way the conversation mutually ended, the amount of WIFOM involved, etc.

It just did not resonate as the kind of conversation two townies would have with each other. I'll make a proper case when I'm not feeling so lazy (probably after T-block does his thing against Gustave, as I said earlier).

The case is fine and you can wait a bit as you said, but I'm still interested in this TvT or TvS argument since we're talking about it now.

How did it not resonate like TvT? What about how it mutually ended didn't seem TvT? What WIFOM made it not seem like TvT? You're being very vague.

 

[Kantrip]

That is composed of 100% WIFOM, and I am ashamed that you even said it.

 

[T-block]

I can't even believe what I'm reading

 

[Kantrip]

@ninja: If I recall correctly, the conversation was mutually ended very quickly by both parties. They didn't even reach an agreement. It was more like "I don't want this to be the focus of the day". That makes sense from RazIndy, as he would want to get out of the spotlight a bit. It would also make sense that scumT-block would want to end it. He's now arguing with one of town's strongest players (in his eyes at the time) and suspicion was starting to go to both sides of the exchange. The way it was ended so quickly and neither of them wanted to keep pressuring just seems... off to me.

 

[T-block]

Kantrip, if you think I was looking to get away with a Raz lynch without being in the spotlight I question your sanity. Look at the bigger picture please.

 

[CT Chia]

That is composed of 100% WIFOM, and I am ashamed that you even said it.

I'm not basing any hard accusations off of it, just trying to make any kind of heads or tails on the night kill and sharing my thoughts about it outloud. Could I be wrong? Of course.

I can't even believe what I'm reading

Oh hi, since you're here, could you perhaps post your Gustave thoughts? Though I do notice the mobile icon.

@ninja: If I recall correctly, the conversation was mutually ended very quickly by both parties. They didn't even reach an agreement. It was more like "I don't want this to be the focus of the day". That makes sense from RazIndy, as he would want to get out of the spotlight a bit. It would also make sense that scumT-block would want to end it. He's now arguing with one of town's strongest players (in his eyes at the time) and suspicion was starting to go to both sides of the exchange. The way it was ended so quickly and neither of them wanted to keep pressuring just seems... off to me.

If that's your thoughts on it, then why did you think it was TvS yesterday (I believe you did)? That seems like SvS (of different factions, aka indy and mafia).

 

[Kantrip]

T-block you were front and centre last DR game and you led town right off a cliff you scummity scum scum. There is an inherent difference between a horrid argument about WIFOM and role claims with a player, and trying to get a player lynched.

@Chibo: My mind was changed by reading it over again.

 

[T-block]

Then what are you trying to say? that's proof that trying to avoid the spotlight is not a scum tell for me, no?

man I'm going to destroy you both when I get to actual computer. Get your thoughts together,Kantrip - I will consider it a scum tell on you if you contradict yourself

 

[T-block]

I said 24 hours for gustave thoughts,chibo. They'll come

 

[Kantrip]

You'll consider it a scumtell if I contradict myself? Does that mean it's normally not?

(I would argue it is normally not, because I contradict myself as town).

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Joey I'll buy you premium.

 

[Kantrip]

Then what are you trying to say? that's proof that trying to avoid the spotlight is not a scum tell for me, no?

man I'm going to destroy you both when I get to actual computer. Get your thoughts together,Kantrip - I will consider it a scum tell on you if you contradict yourself

In your conversation you had with Raziek, not only were you in the spotlight, but there was no longer any way you could gain from the exchange.

When you're leading mis-lynches, there is an obvious gain involved as scum.