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[T-block]

You'll consider it a scumtell if I contradict myself? Does that mean it's normally not?

(I would argue it is normally not, because I contradict myself as town).

Consider means to consider. I'm not implying any level of doubt, or anything - not sure why you italicized that word.

Anyways, it always was either a dumb tell or a scum tell. I'm just warning you right now to put effort into whatever case you make, because I'm not going to let you off by saying "it's bad play, but he does it as town as well", as I have in the past. I know you have sufficient logical ability

Spoiler

being in the same province as Arcansi will automatically make you more logical =P

for me to be able to say that. I want to see logical flow in your case, and I want to see that it flows from town values.

Basically saying don't make a bad case.

In your conversation you had with Raziek, not only were you in the spotlight, but there was no longer any way you could gain from the exchange.

When you're leading mis-lynches, there is an obvious gain involved as scum.

You are missing a very critical aspect of your analysis here.

You claim you can see me doing everything I'm doing as scum. After Housepets, I can accept that.

Can you see me doing everything I'm doing as town? Is there anything I've done that I would do as scum but wouldn't do as town? Is there even anything that suggests I'm scum over town, or are you actually just showing that there's a possibility that I'm scum, which nobody is going to deny?

 

[T-block]

Oh, I need your thoughts on Gustave too please. Just a quick statement saying whether you would be okay with his lynch, and maybe a bit of reasoning would be cool too.

This goes for everyone. Do not ignore this kthx.

 

[Pluvia]

So I'm away for the weekend, this is litterally the only time I got on a computer and I wont be back till Sunday night/Monday.

I can't get on my phone either, it's got this weird restriction which means I can only get on if I know the key code for the wireless box in whatever house I'm in, so I'll catch up when I get back.

 

[CT Chia]

Oh, I need your thoughts on Gustave too please. Just a quick statement saying whether you would be okay with his lynch, and maybe a bit of reasoning would be cool too.

This goes for everyone. Do not ignore this kthx.

I'm not going to fulfill a request from someone asking everyone to share their thoughts on Gustave when they already promised they would, but soon.

No, you first.

 

[CT Chia]

Why would you even ask such a thing.

I want to see your explanation before everyone elses.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

I'm not going to fulfill a request from someone asking everyone to share their thoughts on Gustave when they already promised they would, but soon.

No, you first.

I concur.
I sorta said this, and it's frustrating me that you want conversation to happen before you put your argument forth.
I can see this as a step back from town leader, while still holding control.
This makes me very iffy about your position in town. You're backing off 'control' while still trying to head town in a certain direction.
I really don't want you around. Also considering the 'mislynch' on Raz (he was playing as town should play since he was indy). You really did it for all the wrong reasons and got lucky he was indy.
FOS: T-Block

 

[Dooms]

Retract replacement if that is okay o.o

My vote is staying on Kantrip.

Gustave is a fine lynch choice as well. He hasn't really added anything useful to the table besides "Lets lynch inactives" and the stuff that seems like an actual attempt to add to the table is there without any reasoning behind it :/.

Kantrip > Gustave lynch priority.

Gonna re-read Chibo, but he doesn't sound like a bad lynch choice either.

Not lynching T-block.

 

[CT Chia]

Why don't you want to lynch TBlock

TBlock what are your thoughts on Gustave? Oh and while you're at it, what do you think of Gustave?

 

[rPSIvysaur]

Not lynching T-block.

I'm interested in this.
Do explain more.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

vVv NinjaSempai

 

[T-block]

I'm not going to fulfill a request from someone asking everyone to share their thoughts on Gustave when they already promised they would, but soon.

No, you first.

Man, all I want is whether you think he is town or scum, and maybe one line of reasoning why.

In return, I will give you a FULL ANALYSIS of all his significant posts in this game. Sounds like a fair trade to me.

I concur.
I sorta said this, and it's frustrating me that you want conversation to happen before you put your argument forth.
I can see this as a step back from town leader, while still holding control.
This makes me very iffy about your position in town. You're backing off 'control' while still trying to head town in a certain direction.
I really don't want you around. Also considering the 'mislynch' on Raz (he was playing as town should play since he was indy). You really did it for all the wrong reasons and got lucky he was indy.
FOS: T-Block

Nah, I'm still town leader ^^

Is 12 hours now really so long to wait?

Why don't you want to lynch TBlock

TBlock what are your thoughts on Gustave? Oh and while you're at it, what do you think of Gustave?

Should both those names be Gustave?

I think Gustave is scum.

 

[Dooms]

What the hell is the case on me anyways. You haven't done **** to show that I'm scum.

Pretty much this.

There isn't anything out there that makes me think "Oh... T-block is scum" and there are better options in Kantrip, Gustave, and Chibo, along with most of the inactives.

I don't see gathering opinions on a player before you give an analysis as a scummy thing, either.

 

[CT Chia]

Yes, both of the names are Gustave. It's to get you to post your stuff.

I'm not in the deal here for bartering explanations. Idc if all you want is a yay or nay and a snippet in return for your glorious analysis, it's not gonna happen.

Fact of the matter is, you said you would do it, will soon, but have been posting other stuff first. And now you're not on your phone, so you could easily do it now instead of posting what you just did.

You don't go "I'm going to make a huge analysis on someone" only to go "well.. first could everyone tell me what they think of him?" To potentially spin your analysis into the correct light, help give you ideas for your analysis, etc. Perhaps if you didn't promise your thing before, but you did, and now it's expected, and you're not getting it from us first.

When did you declare yourself town leader?

I'm usurping the title.

 

[CT Chia]

Pretty much this.

There isn't anything out there that makes me think "Oh... T-block is scum" and there are better options in Kantrip, Gustave, and Chibo, along with most of the inactives.

I don't see gathering opinions on a player before you give an analysis as a scummy thing, either.

What makes me scummy? I've yet to see any shred of a case at all.

What do you think about my early game thoughts on TBlock? If you don't remember them, just view my posts from the thread and go to my earliest posts. He's the first person I make a case on.

 

[Dooms]

I just don't like your play compared to everyone else that isn't listed below you, and I wouldn't mind seeing you go at all. Not going to bother making a case on you, since I'd still prefer a Kantrip and Gustave lynch before you obviously o_O'.

 

[CT Chia]

You can't really call my scummy for no apparent reason lol

You're not really going to play the game like this are you? I don't mind you saying this about myself, since frankly, your pressure on me is 100% non existent, but I'm worried of potentially thinking you may end up lynching or thinking someone is scummy for all the wrong reasons.

You say you don't like my play. What about it don't you like?

 

[Dooms]

Your early game thoughts look poorly made, and there isn't anything there that I agree with. It was obvious that you didn't read, since there were things besides the Auspher mafia thing (which btw, looks better than I thought it did at first), and all of the stuff you said doesn't make me think hes scummy in the slightest. It honestly looks like you're reaching, instead. You look at everything at face-value and push it based on that. You don't even consider the fact that reactions were key to get reads on the players at that time, which counters your whole case on T-block early game easily.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

JO_OEY - if we were to lynch Kantrip and he flip town, would you accept responsibility and have town lynch you?
T-Block - if we were to lynch Gustave and he flip town, would you accept responsibility and have town lynch you?
Chibo - if we were to lynch T-Block and he flip town, would you accept responsibility and have town lynch you?

 

[Dooms]

I would accept responsibility, and if town were to lynch me for that, I wouldn't blame them. I'd still try to defend myself, though .

 

[Dooms]

Actually, why did you add the last part into those questions? The "and have town lynch you" part?

 

[Dooms]

You can't really call my scummy for no apparent reason lol

You're not really going to play the game like this are you? I don't mind you saying this about myself, since frankly, your pressure on me is 100% non existent, but I'm worried of potentially thinking you may end up lynching or thinking someone is scummy for all the wrong reasons.

You say you don't like my play. What about it don't you like?

You're reading everything at face value.
Your reads are complete and total ****.
You're jumping to conclusions way too quickly.

Those three alone make me think you're a fine lynch target behind Gustave and Kantrip.

 

[CT Chia]

No I would not.
I don't think he's the wow scummiest person ever in existence to be so sure as to agree to that, but I do currently think he's our best choice for lynch. My gut has been on him ever since I joined the game, and I'm finding more reasons (whether or not people agree with me on them) to believe that my gut reaction is correct.

No townie in their right mind should accept such responsibility without 1,000% certain and factual evidence, and no townie should hold true to issuing such responsibility (what rPSI is doing) without knowing the aforementioned (Joey, TBlock, and me in this case) has 1,000% certainty and concrete knowledge.

 

[CT Chia]

You're reading everything at face value.
Your reads are complete and total ****.
You're jumping to conclusions way too quickly.

Those three alone make me think you're a fine lynch target behind Gustave and Kantrip.

Lynch target, or scummy?

 

[Dooms]

Both.

10char.

 

[CT Chia]

How are those things scummy?

How do those things make me a valid lynch target?

And please, in scope of the game. Don't use you not agreeing with me as a reason. And if you absolutely must, please explain why you don't agree with me and how your thoughts should be seen as townie and mine as scummy.

 

[Dooms]

Oh, its not that I don't agree.

Not reading for the intentions is very scummy. Nothing that T-block has done is scummy if you look at WHY he did it. Trying to get reactions to get reads is a PERFECT reason to do what he did, which is why no one but you is calling him scummy for that. If you're only looking at the surface, then yes, it would be scummy to you. This only leads to mislynches, which is what town doesn't want at all. Scum, however, can use this to paint a target scummy even though they aren't really scummy. Free mislynch for them.

That was the main point I was getting at. The other two are minor points.

Having reads that are backed up very poorly and are generally ****ty just leave you here as a useless townie/scummy and there isn't any good purpose to have you in a town. More of a reason to get vig'd, but seeing that a SK has died makes a vig seem impossible.

Jumping to conclusions is part of reading at face value. When you were stating your T-block read, you were calling him scummy without reading everything he has done, which was VERY obvious in your post. Calling him scummy for only one thing he has done versus everything he has done is also only going to lead to mislynches, and also gives scum free mislynches.

These things are both scummy and make you a valid lynch target.

 

[John2k4]

Oh good, D2.
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Acro died - not much discussion (if any) about this. Who was he talking a lot about D1?

 

[rPSIvysaur]

No I would not.
I don't think he's the wow scummiest person ever in existence to be so sure as to agree to that, but I do currently think he's our best choice for lynch. My gut has been on him ever since I joined the game, and I'm finding more reasons (whether or not people agree with me on them) to believe that my gut reaction is correct.

No townie in their right mind should accept such responsibility without 1,000% certain and factual evidence, and no townie should hold true to issuing such responsibility (what rPSI is doing) without knowing the aforementioned (Joey, TBlock, and me in this case) has 1,000% certainty and concrete knowledge.

I'm not holding them responsible, I won't use this against them, I'm just trying to gauge if they are 1000% certain

 

[Dooms]

T-block, thoughts on Chibo?

 

[T-block]

I'm not in the deal here for bartering explanations. Idc if all you want is a yay or nay and a snippet in return for your glorious analysis, it's not gonna happen.

I've actually done quite a bit on Gustave already.

I think Gustave is scum because he's been using his pressure of inactives to fake contribution.

I've given you all that I want from you.

 

[T-block]

T-block, thoughts on Chibo?

More conflicted than I've ever been on the dumb or scum question.

Leaning scum over dumb I guess.

I obviously wouldn't miss him if he were to die though

 

[T-block]

JO_OEY - if we were to lynch Kantrip and he flip town, would you accept responsibility and have town lynch you?
T-Block - if we were to lynch Gustave and he flip town, would you accept responsibility and have town lynch you?
Chibo - if we were to lynch T-Block and he flip town, would you accept responsibility and have town lynch you?

Nah. I was willing to say that with Raziek because I was actually 100% sure, I'm not quite as confident with Gustave.

rPSI, do you think Gustave is scum or town?

I've already said I think he's scum - there's no way for me to twist my analysis to popular opinion now.

 

[T-block]

Oh good, D2.
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Acro died - not much discussion (if any) about this. Who was he talking a lot about D1?

We'll get to that when we get to that goddammit.

Thoughts on Gustave, Chibo, Kantrip, and me please. Focus on what has happened already D2. Why are you trying to pull our play in such a different direction?

You know how in Amnesia you go lose sanity if you're in darkness for too long? I feel like Joey is the only candle in the room, and I just want to read his posts all day but I have to read through the rest of the posts which are driving me crazy to progress the game.

 

[Jim Morrison]

well thats a ****ton to read up on.

 

[John2k4]

Thoughts on Gustave, Chibo, Kantrip, and me please. Focus on what has happened already D2. Why are you trying to pull our play in such a different direction?

I've been watching what's been happening so far.
I brought up Acro because that's what people usually do at the start of D2, discuss why so-and-so was killed, who was he pressuring, etc. I found it odd that a good few pages into D2, no one had even discussed it yet. Why are you trying to avoid it, TB?

 

[Kantrip]

John, Night Kill speculation is too much WIFOM to be worth getting into in most cases. This is one of those cases.

 

[T-block]

I'm not trying to avoid it, but you are avoiding the questions that were asked to you. I wouldn't even have minded if you had answered the questions and then said "by the way, what about Acrostic?", but that's not what you did. You completely ignored the ongoing discussion instead. You still haven't answered the question.

Kantrip, have your thoughts on Gustave changed from yesterday?

 

[Kantrip]

I haven't been giving this game its proper attention. I'm going to be re-reading stuff when I can and hopefully be back up to understanding this game in a few days.

 

[John2k4]

I don't see a dodged question. If you're referring to my thoughts on those people, they are as follows:

TB - Well, lynching an indy is good in my book, some of the posts from Twilight made me think it was a bad thing. You could be town.
Chibo - His posts are creepy, but I feel there is pro-town behind them if you ignore the graphics.
Guus - He has yet to comment on any D2 things
Kanty - You get a comment in a bit, I need to read into you.

 

[T-block]

If you had to bet on Gustave's alignment, what would it be?