MK...Ive had about enough of this.

[Sago]

Okay so every **** tournament i go to a MK or 2 knock me out, ive actualy never beaten a MK in an offline tournament before that i can think of. I need tips or something because with how common mk i dont stand half a chance of ever wining a tournament. And if i cant figure something out soon, im sorry but bye bye samus. The game isent eve fun geting ***** by a tornado

 

[Crystanium]

Okay so every **** tournament i go to a MK or 2 knock me out, ive actualy never beaten a MK in an offline tournament before that i can think of. I need tips or something because with how common mk i dont stand half a chance of ever wining a tournament. And if i cant figure something out soon, im sorry but bye bye samus. The game isent eve fun geting ***** by a tornado

If you drop Samus simply because you can't beat Meta Knight, then you'll remind me of Natch, but only worse. That n00b cried about how his Lucas wasn't good (he lost in four tournaments), and instead, he decided to pick up Snake and keep Lucas as a secondary. He thought that he could become like "M2K.," simply because someone was saying so. Some big name. I cried about how I wasn't good, either, but there difference is that I didn't give up Samus in favor of some other character. F*** the rest.

Give us some things about Meta Knight that gets to you and that you're having a hard time getting around. Maybe we can help.

 

[Tudor]

You don't need to give up Samus. Space yourself and play gay. Zair bomb plasma, all the gayness and you should be fine.

 

[VirisKnite]

Dryn I do believe he mentioned being ***** by a tornado. I particularly dislike the drill rush. Oh and sago theres a thread that has a list of all attacks that out prioritize the tornado. I know Samus has a fair amount of moves that work. Its in the tactical discussion. If you can't find it I'll put the link here.

 

[DelxDoom]

(This is me wondering if you could space and grab MK out of tornado)

 

[Spoon~]

zair and missile spam, that's as far as i ever get against mk rofl.

 

[Pi]

UB OoS a lot

;o

Should force him to change his playstyle no?

Most MK players don't play MK to be defensive~

 

[Hixxy]

The Bowser and Wolf boards have threads run by Gheb that are dedicated to beating Meta Knight. Maybe mister sexy himself or someone else could start a thread for the Samus boards? Just an idea. ^_^

Bowser's Thread: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=202221

Wolf's Thread: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=6104181#post6104181

 

[MRS1]

Somebody posted a vid a while ago where they bombed the hell out of Metakinght. It wasn't super high level play, but I've had sucess with bombing a whole lot in that matchup and it working. Just constantly bomb to cause him troubling approaches.

 

[-Crews-]

honestly, i love samus more than anyone but, u should just prob just rely onsomeone else when facing mk. but if u have the determination to use samus to beat mk, then u have my full support.

 

[Serris]

In this match-up, you either play like Serris, or use someone else.

 

[n00b]

play like serris + rohins + tudor

 

[xXTACXx]

camp, time your Zairs right and dont let him get under you, meta is a fast runner thats not a good thing for samus considering she depends a lot on her SHs meta can just get under her, if a nado hits you dont get nervous stay calm always stay calm and study when he does the moves that always hit you or get annoying follow the patterns, there is almost lways a pattern with mediocre metas, facing a pro meta just determines how much skill you have. If you get he uses nado and there is no chance in Runner, hold shield, dont let go, dont roll, dont spot dodge just hold shield and direction it to wherever he directons his nado and if your shield starts to get small and your about to get hit roll but only then samus has a ****ty roll so you have to make sure you time this right. Remember to always keep a charge shot on you, it breaks through nado and it destroys meta just dont waste it but spam it. Samus can shield a Dsmash and have time for a Fsmash to meta before meta does his 2nd Dsmash as most metas do dont overestimate metas Dsmash, although this is a given to small chars but when you have a combo going you normally get hyped up and sometimes try for a Usmash never do a Usmash unless on a stage with a curve such as halberd. If you must go off the edge, i know i do considering thats my playground, bewhere of his Up b and try for cheap spikes, meta is weak so once he is below you running dry of jumps use another spike dont try to edgeog him although it works almost 60% if you are good with it, he wont try nothing if you just swoop down for a spike. If he use his drill rush to try and get back then he is screwed just shoot a missile and try to spike him right after, missile stops drill rush and he has no time to get away if you follow with a quick spike. For his nado remember that if you atach it from above it cancels it out. If your on Battlefield Up b the hell outta him e will get annoyed and lse concentration, up b is samus's nado.

I have a lot more info on meta vs samus matchup but that should be enough because thats the main things that cause most problems ask for something if your not sure mea is my easiest matchup and i dont mind sharing stratigies at all. If you want me to send you some replays of me facing metas to see what im talking about just say so and i hope you can take care of that bat in your next tourny.

 

[MRS1]

Thats some dope meta advice TAC.. any chance you can upload some of those meta matches to youtube? If not I'd like to see some.

 

[xXTACXx]

Thats some dope meta advice TAC.. any chance you can upload some of those meta matches to youtube? If not I'd like to see some.

if i could upload i would have tons of vids up by now so no sorry i cant >_> I need a dazzler or gamebridge so i can contribute more

 

[Coldfront]

Dude, appreciate the info regarding the match-up, but you gotta use paragraphs D: That's kinda hard to read.

 

[Z1GMA]

I use more zair Vs MK than against most other characters.. It works better than the homers. I still fire homers at him, but not as many as against most other chars.

More zair, less homers.. (works better for me).

 

[SSBKNIGHT]

Do far range attacks to keep him from attacking you then quickly grab him to throw him off ledge then do a meator smash.

 

[Ravin]

Zair,

Zair.

Camp ledge.

If he whorenados, drop a bomb, it blows him out, if your good at camping the ledge like I am, it stops a lot of MK's BS, even if he attempts to gimp you, due to his lightness, you can spike him if hes trying to be fancy offledge.

You can also grab him when he does his side B or Neutral B.

Just try your best to space a MK.

 

[Sago]

see the thing about that is i dont enjoy playing gay to win a match up and why play "gay" with samus when i could play a gay character and do better while haveing more fun, why not main samus and just play meta knight for the sake for MK, Olimar, and D3.

 

[Crystanium]

see the thing about that is i dont enjoy playing gay to win a match up and why play "gay" with samus when i could play a gay character and do better while haveing more fun, why not main samus and just play meta knight for the sake for MK, Olimar, and D3.

No one isn't saying that you shouldn't use alternative characters, Sago, if that's what you were implying. I sure don't, but I do find more satisfaction when I win with Samus.

 

[Ravin]

Playing Gay?

The whole MK character is gay. Attempting to ledge camp to defend yourself from one of the fastest, most broken characters isn't gay. Your attempting to put a *** plug in and hope for the best.

 

[CO18]

Yo TAC if you send me the replays I could upload it to your account if you want. It would be NP.

I wanna see you **** meta too XD.

I always thought she would get ***** in this matchup.

 

[xXTACXx]

Yo TAC if you send me the replays I could upload it to your account if you want. It would be NP.

I wanna see you **** meta too XD.

I always thought she would get ***** in this matchup.

sounds good d00d send wii numbers over pm

 

[tha_carter]

Lol, Samus doest have the capabilities to '****' a pro MK. Or any MK that can shield dash for that matter.

My biggest suggestion is to learn NOT TO GET GIMPED. After you master that, youll do alot better. Especially, against mid level MKs. The best advice i have is to save your second jump, and use the bombs for most of your horizontal recovery. The lower you recover, the less chance of the MK using the over-powered UpB (reversed-up-b for better MKs) for the kill.

The only other big issue is the glide attack. The best way to handle this, is pivot grabbing. Because most G-air to N-air, Dsmash or grab. In the event that they DO n-air, you can Upb OoS. Other that that, the other two, if used properly are pretty much impossible to punish. To TAC; a fsmash cannot punish a missed dsmash, unless perfect shielded. Even a frame perfect f-smash would be trading hits.


PS: Sago, at this point id LOVE to get MKs in tourney. All i get is infinite grabbing 3De's.... </3

 

[Ravin]

Lol, Samus doest have the capabilities to '****' a pro MK. Or any MK that can shield dash for that matter.

My biggest suggestion is to learn NOT TO GET GIMPED. After you master that, youll do alot better. Especially, against mid level MKs. The best advice i have is to save your second jump, and use the bombs for most of your horizontal recovery. The lower you recover, the less chance of the MK using the over-powered UpB (reversed-up-b for better MKs) for the kill.

The only other big issue is the glide attack. The best way to handle this, is pivot grabbing. Because most G-air to N-air, Dsmash or grab. In the event that they DO n-air, you can Upb OoS. Other that that, the other two, if used properly are pretty much impossible to punish. To TAC; a fsmash cannot punish a missed dsmash, unless perfect shielded. Even a frame perfect f-smash would be trading hits.


PS: Sago, at this point id LOVE to get MKs in tourney. All i get is infinite grabbing 3De's.... </3

Samus has plenty of options against MK. There is no ****** him, there is ways to beat him.

And noone is talking about D3, infact I have yet to be beaten by a D3. Even played a few including some who were pro players, and you simply have to keep away and ledge camp, they cant grab mid air, or if they attempt to approach, camp with Zair and missile, Wads cant eat a Zair animation. Stop putting Samus down because you have complications with the matchs, and better yet encourage yourself and play more MK's, D3's and Snakes till you get used to the playstyle and know what to expect. You ARE going to get your *** beat the first dozen times, We all do.

We call this learning. Use it and apply it.

 

[Rohins]

Run away a lot, don't bother trying to hit a lot too many things are so easily punished. The main thing with hitting metaknight is not trying to hit him after he does a move because generally he has no lag. You need to "punish" while he does a move. For example say you can call when he's going to dsmash, this is your opportunity to land a dair on him since his dsmash hitbox isn't above him.

Depending on how good the MK is you can get away with some ledge camp. If he refuses to approach you while you are on the edge you might as well stay on there and just time out and win by %. If he knows how to gimp you while you are on the edge don't stay there (duh).

Hmm tornado I just try to SDI the first hit and move away not too much to do about that move when you get caught in it. Sure you have a "ton of moves" that go through it but really...you're not likely to hit through it. If he just spams tornado hold the edge and missile until he does something different.

DO NOT JUMP within a certain distance. I don't know how to describe this distance but basically there is a distance that if you short hop attempting a missile or zair he can just run up on you and have his merry way before you even land.

What else is there...

Oh yeah don't be above him you're not going to hit him. Try not to be below him unless you are positive you are going to uair or upB him.

Recovering...umm...don't be predictable? Seriously Samus' recovery is really easy to gimp with MK if he knows what you are going to do (dair goes through upB and messes up tether.) If they are actively pursuing me off stage I don't bother with sweet spotting, I just try to upB them and get on the level. Of course they can SDI out and dair you from an aerial upB but w/e

 

[xXTACXx]

Lol, Samus doest have the capabilities to '****' a pro MK. Or any MK that can shield dash for that matter.

My biggest suggestion is to learn NOT TO GET GIMPED. After you master that, youll do alot better. Especially, against mid level MKs. The best advice i have is to save your second jump, and use the bombs for most of your horizontal recovery. The lower you recover, the less chance of the MK using the over-powered UpB (reversed-up-b for better MKs) for the kill.

The only other big issue is the glide attack. The best way to handle this, is pivot grabbing. Because most G-air to N-air, Dsmash or grab. In the event that they DO n-air, you can Upb OoS. Other that that, the other two, if used properly are pretty much impossible to punish. To TAC; a fsmash cannot punish a missed dsmash, unless perfect shielded. Even a frame perfect f-smash would be trading hits.


PS: Sago, at this point id LOVE to get MKs in tourney. All i get is infinite grabbing 3De's.... </3

try it, MKs speed of hisDsmash is overrated, you can shield or spot dodge it and have time to Fsmash before he gets his 2nd Dsmash off.

 

[Hive]

hmm... I always thought ledge camping was fairly effective... mk probably has the better ledge game though, however, its at least more even since samus has a lot of options here..... but I wouldn't rely on just this....

I hate that tornado <.< I can't remember how many times its eaten through my zair T.T
also, I use bombs often in between spams and such in this matchup... I usually dislike bomb use though because of the vulnerability... but they help prevent tornado I guess...

 

[tha_carter]

And noone is talking about D3, infact I have yet to be beaten by a D3.

Its was a sidenote, and i was talking to Sago. And because you can beat your regions scubby 3De's doesnt mean anything.

Even played a few including some who were pro players, and you simply have to keep away and ledge camp, they cant grab mid air, or if they attempt to approach, camp with Zair and missile, Wads cant eat a Zair animation. Stop putting Samus down because you have complications with the matchs, and better yet encourage yourself and play more MK's, D3's and Snakes till you get used to the playstyle and know what to expect. You ARE going to get your *** beat the first dozen times, We all do.

We call this learning. Use it and apply it.

Hm, my opinion comes from IN TOURNEY, against this regions top MK (kingace/ambrose/JL), King Dedede (Lain/Mikey), and Snake (Percon/Ally). Im FAIRLY sure, ive had a bit of experience in high level playstyle. From what youve said, i sincerely doubt you have.

And im not 'puting Samus Down'. Im just a realist. You have to know your characters weaknesses to get better. Not to mention, ive taken an active role in advancing Samus as a character on these boards.

try it, MKs speed of hisDsmash is overrated, you can shield or spot dodge it and have time to Fsmash before he gets his 2nd Dsmash off.

Both of their hit boxes come out at the same time. As i said, the BEST case scenario is trading hits. Now if youre actually facing a MK that has common sense, and knows how to space.... its not likely to punish. As theyd hit with dsmash outside of fsmashes range.

hmm... I always thought ledge camping was fairly effective... mk probably has the better ledge game though, however, its at least more even since samus has a lot of options here..... but I wouldn't rely on just this....

I hate that tornado <.< I can't remember how many times its eaten through my zair T.T
also, I use bombs often in between spams and such in this matchup... I usually dislike bomb use though because of the vulnerability... but they help prevent tornado I guess...

Lol, ledge camp... against the best gimper in the game?

Even if he decide to be nice and just stand on the ledge and shield. He can UpB OoS most Samus' ledge camp options.



I agree with Rohins; run and be unpredictable when recovering. Learning how NOT to get gimped will seriously let you do alot better in the matchup.

 

[Sago]

lain barley beat me in a money match that son of a *****s d3 is a monster, and MK is possible its just hard, anyone have any off the stage gimp possibilities because for the most part i have to wait till 150 with a hard to get d tilit to kill that *******?

and ravin the thing i dont think you realize is that i dont have a few dozen matchs to beat the MK's i fight, the real reason im asking is because i need to hurry up and beat michigan because they keep kicking my *** and there like all MK and D3 and stupid ****. The ledge is the last place i want to be against MK

 

[Crystanium]

So, I have beaten two people who main Meta Knight. The problem is, one of them I was able to three-stock most of the time. The only time I lost was on Lylat Cruise. There was another person who played as Meta Knight, but I also won. I knew there was something wrong here, since it shouldn't be that easy to beat Meta Knight with Samus. So, when Havokk wanted to brawl with me, he brought out Meta Knight. It was the first time I lost against a Meta Knight, and I thought that was more like it.

What I'm trying to get at here is that I agree with tha_carter when he said that "Samus doest have the capabilities to '****' a pro MK."

 

[Hive]

you missed my point thecarter- I wasn't saying you should ledge camp the whole game at all <.<
and yes mk owns samus on the ledge....
however he also owns samus on platform... I was only suggesting ledge fighting might be more effective at times (though still not giving samus the advantage) than fighting him close range... or... trying to zair to be hit by the tornado...
but of course you want to mix it up...
ledge play is risky, yes, but if used right it could help samus gain some damage if you don't use it too predictably....
didn't gum say that awhile ago too?

 

[Ravin]

Gum did.

I never said stay on the ledge, but use it.

MK only owns with Dair when your near the ledge.

Maybe I am just playing smarter then you? I need to play WTflux more (Colorado MK player, really good, placed fourth out of like 60 semi people. ) We went back and forth a lot, which is why im saying a lot of that works. You must be letting the whole fact that "****" is coming to you. Chill and be patient. Sometimes you have to take a hit to punish them back.

 

[Sago]

o **** **** drop by ravin

 

[Ravin]

XD

not trying to be mean, just experiment, Most MK's never fought a Samus, and will use the whole "Rush like mad" and try to kill you as fast as possible. Dash attack, Grab, Shuttle loop, Dsmash are all avoidable, just watch the Side B or Neutral B. Its really NOT that bad if your getting used and how to avoid it, but sometimes you simply can't and you have to be prepared for that as well.

 

[tha_carter]

Lol, is it possible to NOT use the ledge?

Lol, i play with the leader of the WT clan. And if thats the calibur of MK youre talking about, than i understand. As i said, im talking about higher level. Youre talking about above average MKs that 'never fought a Samus.' Lmao

Than again, since YOUR samus is SO good against MK's.... why arent you dominating the tourney scene? LOL!


@Hive, sorry, i guess i took ledge camping too literal. I agree.

@Sago, good stuff. I just cheated and switched to pikachu.... =)

 

[Ravin]

Lol, is it possible to NOT use the ledge?

Lol, i play with the leader of the WT clan. And if thats the calibur of MK youre talking about, than i understand. As i said, im talking about higher level. Youre talking about above average MKs that 'never fought a Samus.' Lmao

Than again, since YOUR samus is SO good against MK's.... why arent you dominating the tourney scene? LOL!


@Hive, sorry, i guess i took ledge camping too literal. I agree.

@Sago, good stuff. I just cheated and switched to pikachu.... =)

You figure this.

1 samus

vs, 30 or so MK's

I have a 1/60th chance winning with using Samus.

If there are 30 mks in a 60 people tounry, that means its a 1/2 a chance a MK will be in the top .

Thats a hard road to go.

And im sorry :3 Why arnt you winning either? Oh wait..

 

[tha_carter]

Lol, youre being such a snob. You said ledge camp, drop bombs for his tornado (lol), and grab him threw his Side/neutral B (lmao)....

I gave good advice. I dont see what your issue is. Regularly, i would entertain your silly quarrellings, but id much rather Samus' IMPROVE their tourney results. So if you insist on continuing; make it a pm.

Id much rather HELP the MK situation than senselessly bicker.

 

[Ravin]

Lol, youre being such a snob. You said ledge camp, drop bombs for his tornado (lol), and grab him threw his Side/neutral B (lmao)....

I gave good advice. I dont see what your issue is. Regularly, i would entertain your silly quarrellings, but id much rather Samus' IMPROVE their tourney results. So if you insist on continuing; make it a pm.

Id much rather HELP the MK situation than senselessly bicker.

No :3 I said use it, it helps.

Your taking things out of context. You started this, im simply proving you wrong.

And those tips do help, by the way. More then what your saying?

So dont start something then go, Oh stop bickering, go to the message. I simply proved you wrong when you started a debate.