"In order to perform this AT, you need timing. Also, don't mess up, because that's bad ("don't be slow/tired")."
What did this have to do with anything, anyway?
I've agreed with pretty much everything you've said Yuna (I've read the entire thread, half last night until I stopped posting and then played Brawl and then went to sleep) and the rest just now.
I quoted the above post to basically answer the included question. This thread is not solely about whether or not the technique is to be banned, but about the discovery of the technique, and the technique in general. Just because he wasn't replying to your posts, doesn't mean that the post has no relevance.
In fact, it's pretty important to note that this technique doesn't require spamming, it requires timing and rhythm. You want to push UpC at the RIGHT time.
Now that I've gone over that, I'd like to aid Yuna in his argument.
Many of you are complaining that this technique is difficult to perform, but I did it for over a minute last night EASILY.
"Oh, great master? How did you perform such a feat?" Simple. I already knew that I couldn't change my controller settings to use any other button for smash on the GAMECUBE CONTROLLER, so I simply switched to a WIIMOTE and NUNCHUK and proceeded to invisibly lap around FD. It's pretty easy to rapidly spam Dpad up.
Furthermore, once I get the timing down, I'm sure I can do it longer. After all, I practiced for less than a half hour.
Outside of the stalling potential, this technique should be banned anyway. It's the ONLY technique I'll need to kill you. I'm sure even staled it'll kill somewhere around 250. I'll initiate it at the beginning of the match. The only way to avoid me is to recycle the ledge, or stand on a very high platform (one of the two lower platforms on battlefield are not high enough, because I can still warp up that high). If you recycle the ledge, I can hog you with good timing, and Metaknight's edgeguarding is the best in the game anyway. If you're anyone that doesn't have a retardedly good recovery, you're now screwed.
When I hit you, it'll provide enough knockback for me to do it again. You can't shield it, because if you are shielding, I'll just wait for your shield to run out, and then attack. I can be right next to you the WHOLE TIME, but you'll never know when I'm going to strike, and you can't possibly dodge or block it reliably. It's not like I'm just going invisible, and invincible. I also have a relatively decent attack on reappearance. Rinse and repeat till victory by stock or time.
And for those of you who are worshiping this as a technique to bypass spammers, I've BEEN doing that without the glitch. SHDC gets behind Falco and Wolf from moderate distances if they're shooting grounded lazers, and if Falco is double lazering, then you should be able to get to him anyway. You'd have to be retardedly far from your opponent for this to need to be applicable, which you never should be because you have no long range, and you're rapely fast. You just neglected a good move and an awesome mindgame and wrote it off as bad because the "metagame masters" say that lag is bad. Yeah, it is, but every move has lag. Risk vs reward, DC has good rewards all by itself, when used properly.
I agree. My theory is that people want a cop-out to instantly ban it by saying it's stalling and then using our precedent on that issue. I haven't tested it enough to know full well (nor could I know without seeing it affect tournament and competitive play), but I think the move is broken enough that, at this point, the technique should be flat-out banned at some point in the near future.
Not to mention, the stalling aspect is able to be monitored for reasons I gave before. We constantly rely on a TO's subjective moderation on issues of stalling in the past, and it has practically prevented stalling up till this point. I went into more detail before, but I don't feel like copy and pasting.
I don't know if you realized this or not, but you spent an entire post trying to refute me when I was agreeing with you. About everything.
I said that someone IS going to master being able to stall for 30+ seconds with this technique. You claimed I had 'selective reading' and responded by saying that you added 'humanly possible.' I was agreeing with you, yet you decided that I wasn't and tried to refute me anyway.
I know what Mookie was saying, I read what Sirlin had to say about Akuma. I responded the exact same way you did: banning the technique will prevent that situation.
If anyone has selective reading, then, it's you. I agreed with you, and you tried to argue against me. Your response is proof that you really don't know what you're talking about.
Here is what you do, Yuna:
You skim things, assume what someone is saying, and then post a one-line blanket response that barely covers what was said and ignores a lot of analysis.
I will fully admit that I've done that in the past, and I probably will do it in the future. You do it in every. single. response.
If you want real life credentials so you know what I'm talking about, just ask. I'm not a genius by any stretch, but I know a logical charlatan when I see one.
Actually, Yuna only does this after he's ALREADY made his point over and over again. He just doesn't feel like repeating himself IN DETAIL, but continues to reply to everything in a simpler way, since people haven't actually come up with reasonable responses to counter what he's said (things like: if this weren't banned than how would we monitor this). Yuna generally starts multiquoting AFTER his main posts which state his argument, and the first few posts after that which actually usually do throughly refute other arguments. If said counter-arguments aren't believed to be thoroughly refuted, then he usually goes into more detail, but like I said, doesn't like repeating himself over and over in detail.
, I'm such a prick...). I think that's what he's trying to say anyways...
