Meta Knight's Revenge: The Official Match-Up Thread *Wario* -> GO

[BIGM1994]

jem i think thats really good, its harder than it sounds but its real good

 

[OverLade]

I think there's no way to make the matchup easy, but knowing everything you can will make it "winnnable" as when diddy players know the matchup and you don't you're pretty much ****ed.

 

[etecoon]

knowing what to do with bananas can make it a lot easier...I'm curious what we can really do about "banana in hand banana in front/spam peanuts"? if we have a lead we can just run/wait, and you can wait for the banana in front to expire, but doesn't that take almost 30 seconds IIRC? he'd only have to do that like a little over 5 times to have a pretty good lead on timing you out...

 

[Kaffei]

Can anyone give me tips for the MK ditto.. :S

 

[Rushisu]

I need a little advice, since the match up of marth is not up i want it to ask how to play against marth.
i always get end up being grabbed, grab release and then being smacked of stage or sallowing a Blade dance 1> Nair>Fastfall>Upsmash. you could say like this match ' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC5HmUM2LDE '.
also how do i play against marth, being more gay than marth is not posseble xD

 

[FB Dj_Iskascribble]

sdi that grab release it shouldnt ever work.
just camp marth. when hes in the air you can nado him.
when hes on the ground you outrange everything he has except shield breaker.
meta is way gayer than marth cuz you can gimp him and he cant gimp you.
they will try to stall with a double jump and dancing blade but if you dair them one time after his double jump hes dead.

 

[Overswarm]

knowing what to do with bananas can make it a lot easier...I'm curious what we can really do about "banana in hand banana in front/spam peanuts"? if we have a lead we can just run/wait, and you can wait for the banana in front to expire, but doesn't that take almost 30 seconds IIRC? he'd only have to do that like a little over 5 times to have a pretty good lead on timing you out...

Bananas last 10 seconds. If you get in his range when the banana in front of him starts to flicker, he's in a poor spot. The reason " banana in hand and banana in front" is so good is because you take away the option to grab. When you have the ability to grab, the game changes considerably.

When Diddy throws his banana, spawns a new banana, or moves he is at a clear disadvantage. If Diddy is throwing a banana or spawning a new one, you can easily tornado him, and if you can torando him you can do much much more.

 

[etecoon]

wow, it seemed like they lasted a lot longer than that. my post can mostly be disregarded just on that as it is a lot more practical to wait for him than I believed

 

[Kaffei]

MK Ditto tips please T_T

 

[Overswarm]

wow, it seemed like they lasted a lot longer than that. my post can mostly be disregarded just on that as it is a lot more practical to wait for him than I believed

When the banana is in the air or in his hand, the timer doesn't go off. If Diddy throws a banana in the air it lasts a lot longer. This of course, leaves him a bit opening.

 

[K@0S]

I need a little advice, since the match up of marth is not up i want it to ask how to play against marth.
i always get end up being grabbed, grab release and then being smacked of stage or sallowing a Blade dance 1> Nair>Fastfall>Upsmash. you could say like this match ' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC5HmUM2LDE '.
also how do i play against marth, being more gay than marth is not posseble xD

Jump dair after the first side-b~

 

[Jem.]

jem i think thats really good, its harder than it sounds but its real good

Thanks! It's one thing to read it and know what to do, but it's definently another thing to do it vs a really good fast diddy player who knows how to fight MK. Just practice it :]. It's so simple but it seems like people forget diddy's bananas can be used against him, so use them!

 

[OverLade]

Someone else take this thread I dun want it anymore...

 

[Kaffei]

Someone else take this thread I dun want it anymore...

y u. how dare u ditch

 

[DMG]

2 things:

1. I can take over

2. Get better at the Wario matchup

 

[Kaffei]

2 things:

1. I can take over

2. Get better at the Wario matchup

DMG, if you take over please clean up and organize the MUs. Can we have re discussions too?

 

[Jem.]

I've noticed a lot of MK's throw the banana off when they kill Diddy.. Keep hold of it instead! Or if youre doing this because there were 2 when Diddy died, throw one on the ledge and hold the other. Or even do the diddy wall strategy and keep one in front of you, one in your hand.

 

[Kaffei]

I've noticed a lot of MK's throw the banana off when they kill Diddy.. Keep hold of it instead! Or if youre doing this because there were 2 when Diddy died, throw one on the ledge and hold the other. Or even do the diddy wall strategy and keep one in front of you, one in your hand.

Is it a bad idea to throw Bananas away when there are two? Because I always try to keep it so there is only 1 or none.

 

[TLMSheikant]

Hey Metaknight boards. Toon Links are discussing the metaknight matchup. Please contribute, thanks .

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=264209

 

[Jem.]

Is it a bad idea to throw Bananas away when there are two? Because I always try to keep it so there is only 1 or none.

If you aren't comfortable trying to control two bananas I suppose so. But, "in theory", you could form the same wall that diddy does if you got control of both. one in front of you, one in your hand.

TLM - I posted in it since I've played vs Chip in a lot of tournament sets.

 

[kirbyfan66]

Diddy Kong... Ugh.

To be honest, I have a harder time against Yoshi's than I do Diddy's with MK, but he's still very annoying and is a huge threat against MK's perfect MU record. The most important thing an MK does against Diddy is stay in the air- you can't trip midair.

BAN FINAL D!!! It should be obvious at this point, but Diddy does great on Final D and MK does meh. Rainbow Cruise is the stage of choice- MK's best and not Diddy's.

On Final D, I say 50-50. On Rainbow Cruise, either 55-45 or 60-40. On a stage that they're both meh, 55-45, in MK's favor.

...We're still talking about Diddy, right? XP

 

[etecoon]

idk about diddy specifically(barely ever play them...) but I think RC might be a little overrated in general, brinstar is really really amazing

 

[kirbyfan66]

Brinstar is great, too, but it's smaller. Diddy is good on small stages, although not so much Brinstar. =P

Also, RC is all air. MK is beast midair.

 

[Nitrix]

Don't be so fast to D-Air camp vs Diddy. His F-Air hurts....alot. And any Diddy that has sufficient experience in this matchup will make you eat it over and over if you try to air camp

 

[Jem.]

Diddy Kong... Ugh.

To be honest, I have a harder time against Yoshi's than I do Diddy's with MK, but he's still very annoying and is a huge threat against MK's perfect MU record. The most important thing an MK does against Diddy is stay in the air- you can't trip midair.

BAN FINAL D!!! It should be obvious at this point, but Diddy does great on Final D and MK does meh. Rainbow Cruise is the stage of choice- MK's best and not Diddy's.

On Final D, I say 50-50. On Rainbow Cruise, either 55-45 or 60-40. On a stage that they're both meh, 55-45, in MK's favor.

...We're still talking about Diddy, right? XP

Are you playing vs a good Diddy? Just curious.

I'm actually thinking about banning Battlefield vs Diddy instead of FD. I'm not that threatened and It'll guarantee a predictable recovery due to FD's lip. Sure the bananas are a threat, but you can rely on just reading. I find Diddy's do really well on Battlefield and I don't have an explanation for it. I've seen ADHD beat M2K and several other good players on Battlefield.

Also, Brinstar > Rainbow. 'Nuff said. All diddy's will ban Brinstar though.

 

[etecoon]

Also, RC is all air. MK is beast midair.

the carpet area isn't that long and a lot of characters can outrun you during this part and just avoid your air dominance. I play snake and I don't mind RC at all, I'd much rather go there than brinstar. brinstar just has a tendency of keeping opponents in bad positions, it's really easy to keep people above you, you can get cheap kills off the side, you can separate the stage to make yourself harder to approach, you can use the pillars to keep your moves fresh...it's like battlefield on steroids and the platforms are harder to use against you(as jem said, diddy actually does well on BF, and from my experience as snake the plats on BF can be useful where as they really aren't on brinstar)

as I said, it's probably MU dependent, but I think brinstar is a really underrated stage for MK, or maybe it isn't and *I've* just underrated it for a long time, but I think it should be in the discussion with RC as MK's best CP's.

 

[DMG]

Brinstar is a top 3 MK stage. You can abuse the close proximity the stage offers with shuttle loop/Dsmash/Tornado, you can plank/shark extremely well on this stage (actually incredibly well, almost ******** frankly), you generally have the upper hand when the Lava Rises, etc.

 

[kirbyfan66]

But Diddy can still take advantage of certain things on Brinstar. On RC, once you're off the flying ship, he'll struggle.

 

[DMG]

Diddy cannot do crap about planking/sharking on that level. Tornado now is super super safe against Diddy on this stage because of the terrain changes, and because of the layout (not to mention getting to grab the edges for free after tornado because of the "pillars" that block bananas). Like sure, he can fool with Bananas on some parts, and do weird stuff, but MK can do a lot of things on that level that frankly Diddy cannot deal with at all.

Diddy can try to run on the bad parts of RC, and try to avoid you. Brinstar... NOOOOOPE! lol.

 

[MiniTroika]

That, as well as the fact that if you're not paying attention You can get spiked chasing diddy around in the air on RC.

 

[kirbyfan66]

@Mini: While I get what you're saying, going below Diddy at that point wouldn't be the best option. =P

@DMG: Alright, alright, I can't counter that. =P

So, RC is the second best option, and Brinstar is the best?

 

[Jem.]

Ci at Kirbyfan

 

[Zozefup]

lol @ getting spiked by Diddy on rainbow cruise.

I'm not very comfortable on Brinstar. I like Delphino a lot against Diddy though.

And... my favorite neutral against Diddy is FD.

 

[kirbyfan66]

Isn't Final D Meta Knight's worst starter?

So, we've established Brinstar is beast and RC is semi-beast. Third option?

I'm also going with Delfino, but I'm cluseless to how good Diddy is there.

 

[Kaffei]

Isn't Final D Meta Knight's worst starter?

So, we've established Brinstar is beast and RC is semi-beast. Third option?

I'm also going with Delfino, but I'm cluseless to how good Diddy is there.

Can Diddy do banana wall infinite there?

 

[kirbyfan66]

Can Diddy do banana wall infinite there?

D=

While the obvious stay away from the wall idea could be thrown out, he can still do it, so Delfino's out.

Any others?

 

[Kaffei]

D=

While the obvious stay away from the wall idea could be thrown out, he can still do it, so Delfino's out.

Any others?

I don't think it's THAT bad..

 

[Max Ketchum]

Yes, he can wall infinite. The stage is still a really good counterpick against Diddy. Imo, it's:

Brinstar, RC

Delfino, Frigate

Yoshi's, Castle Siege

Lylat, Halberd

Smashville, Battlefield

Final Destination, Pokemon Stadium

Order of how good stages are for MK vs. Diddy, best first.

 

[Overswarm]

Yes, he can wall infinite. The stage is still a really good counterpick against Diddy. Imo, it's:

Brinstar, RC

Delfino, Frigate

Yoshi's, Castle Siege

Lylat, Halberd

Smashville, Battlefield

Final Destination, Pokemon Stadium

Order of how good stages are for MK vs. Diddy, best first.

You're missing a lot of stages

I mostly agree with the top part. The bottom part I'd change drastically. PS1 is pretty epic vs. Diddy since when you get to high % you can camp until a transformation and then stay in the center and he can't kill you for ****. Easiest time out vs. Diddy ever.

Brinstar, RC

Delfino, Frigate

Yoshi's, Castle Siege

Lylat, Halberd

I might switch the bottom 4 around; MK's infinite glide on halberd makes recovering a good banana waster, and sharking when the stage is moving destroys diddy. Sharking in general does; I really think Brinstar and Delfino are amazing for that reason alone.

To add a trick to Delfino for you guys: the section of the stage with the umbrellas and the walk-off on the right and small pool on the left has a wall on the far left side. It's very short, so you can't use it reliably to survive (you can DI down if someone d-smashes you there), but you CAN jump on top of it. In the bubble you can't tell if you are on top of it or in front of it, so when diddy comes in and tries to do something you get a free hit. It's a unique one-time trick, but it can be pretty amazing.



I'm still working on all the info for this matchup. You'll see more soon.

 

[etecoon]

You're missing a lot of stages

most of us don't have pirate ship and hyrule temple legal in our region yo