Meta Knight Challenge #3: Diddys Bananas

[Staco]

Meta Knight Challenge #2 ICs Down B Wall

In this thread we can discuss specific moves of different characters and figure out the best way to handle them.
You can also make suggestions for new moves, which we can discuss in the future.
Ill put summarys or good posts (like in the MU thread) in the first post when the discussion for a move is finished.

#3 Diddys Bananas starting now

Stolen from the Olimar Board:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=248526

 

[Staco]

#1 Falcos Lasers

Different solutions to get around it, there is no best thing do to against it.
Check page 1-2 to get information.



#2 ICs Down B Wall

If you get hit DI the Blizzard and Dair the ICs out of it or just try to get out of it safely. The move is pretty easy to DI.
If you try to get around the Down B Wall force them to do an Uair. There are also some other more risky ways to stop it, but they can give the ICs the possibility to grab you.



#3 Diddys Bananas

 

[Palpi]

Jump really high.

Power Shield.

DONE.

 

[flytai45]

Jump really high.

Power Shield.

DONE.

dont forget your dair

 

[Omni]

This could easily be focused in the match-up thread, but I'll allow this to stay open if I see it going somewhere.

 

[smasher01]

This is cool we should have a new topic like this every week.

Ok back to the discussion.
Stay high in the air and try to land on the platforms when you come back down.
The lasers are harder to avoid when you play on a level with no platforms like Final D.

 

[Yumewomiteru]

Wavebag approach.

 

[LiL.Will]

I llike to mix it up by:
SH Air dodge
FH Air dodge
Sidestep
Perfectshield
or just plainly going high enough where the Falco user has to start doing FH Lasers to tack on damage.

I slowly move to Falco so if he decides to perform a IAP,reflector,F-tilt,etc. to keep me away I'll have enough time to react to his options.

Just stay paitent and keep your cool and you'll be in position to attack him.

 

[Hobobloke]

I just walk up to him while powershielding.

 

[FunkMaster]

yeah, there you go. powersheild and advance.

i don't see the point in doing anything but walking and powersheilding.

they're not like snake's grenades and litter the area and explode like

randomly. (not really)

with falco's laser, you see it coming, PING, powersheild, continue.

with grenades, you powersheild, and they are still there. so whatever.

 

[Staco]

The problem in my opinion is: when you get really close you cant just PS it, if they shoot the laser at different heights/to a different timing.

They could also just fake a laser, which would give you the disadvantage of beeing into shield + shield lag.

And they can attack out of their laser spam, so we need to find a way to approach without getting into dangers to get hit/not getting into a disadvantaged position to attack after getting around the lasers.

 

[BluePeachy100]

High hop Dair>hop> Dair> so on> Tornado.

Basically get center stage, after that, it should be easier to predict the Falco, and attack accordingly.

 

[smasher01]

I just walk up to him while powershielding.

its good some times but its scarry being on the ground vs falco un less your in complete control.

 

[Staco]

If you jump high up over his lasers he can just change sides with side B.

 

[smasher01]

Its Soo Annoying

 

[Palpi]

What does he do when he changes sides? (rhetorical)

Continue to miss with lasers when MK has a % lead? ... . . . . ..

 

[Staco]

What does he do when he changes sides? (rhetorical)

Continue to miss with lasers when MK has a % lead? ... . . . . ..

You wont try to get around the lasers when you got a % lead and dont want to approach.
We are actually speaking about getting around a move and approaching and not about camping against a certain move.
This means your enemy got a lead and you have to approach or you just want to approach.

Seriously, if you dont like this thread just keep out and stop trolling!

 

[Palpi]

editl;Bah sorry, im done.

 

[FunkMaster]

isn't like FD and That DK stage where they kinda matter? maybe some others too, but I would think how

annoying they are is really dependant on the stage.

besides. you're Metaknight. Falco's just a bird.

maybe Susa can help. I know he plays Snake but he made a thread about projectiles and safe zones and

stuff. he even said Falco's Lasers are hugely overrated. I don't know if i agree with that or not yet.

Help us please? Everyone deserves to know how to deal with Falco's laser. He's so UNCOOL.

 

[Kaffei]

Do Falco's lasers cancel out Mach Tornado?

 

[smasher01]

Yes. It would be cool if they did not tho lol

 

[Staco]

One thing I noticed M2K and Kaos (best european MK) doing is:
They approach from above and shortly before they reach him, they sometimes try to punish the side B with Dair.

 

[Crizthakidd]

smart falcos like to lazer lazer side b lazer lazer on the other side lol

u come in powershileding, jumpin up high and he runs in for a grab or upsmash -___-

 

[TheMike]

MK has two options:

a) Power Shield. Then, something like OoS quicky because the Falco will probably try to mix-up with a Grab.

b)

approach from above and shortly before they reach him, they sometimes try to punish the side B with Dair.

This, but not only the Side B, but anything else Dair can punish if used well.

 

[smasher01]

We should do the next one on diddys bananas or robs spam.

 

[Kaffei]

We should do the next one on diddys bananas or robs spam.

O god .

 

[Staco]

I also thought about ICs down B wall.

 

[smasher01]

Quick someone say somthing really helpful so we can move on.

 

[Palpi]

Robs spam? Robs spam is a gimmick. Once you realize the patten that the rob does, you will get past and find room to nado spam.

I watched hype vs holynightmare and i saw holy would shoot top, hype would shield, holy would should laser up, because hype would jump for the approach and eat the laser. If you stay on the ground, they are both easy enough to shield. Rob's projectiles shouldn't be that big of a deal. Top in his hand is very good, but it limits some of his options.

 

[Staco]

#2 ICs down B wall starting now.

(I think we will do Diddys Bananas afterwards)

 

[etecoon]

I've heard it said that you can SDI into it and get a free dair/nair to separate them, idk how effective that is exactly I have a lot more experience against IC's with snake than MK, but if it does work and you could master that it would be pretty matchup breaking IMO

 

[TheMike]

Separate the ICs first, then you'll not have problems with the Down B wall. But in case you have some problems before separating him, do what etecoon said. SDI into it > Dair is probably the best option. If you shield, Up B OoS.

Also, Staco the titles still says that we are discussing Falco's Lasers. :]

 

[Corrupted~X]

run into it, it doesn't matter how much damage you take, your MK, you'll win anyway.

Discussionclosed.


inb4flames


Anyway, couldn't you just dair them and seperate, and from that point take control?

 

[TheMike]

Anyway, couldn't you just dair them and seperate, and from that point take control?

It's not that easy to separate them. If you make a simple mistake, you'll be punished hard... you're MK, but they are ICs. =]

 

[Staco]

I cant change the title of the thread. :/

Sadly you cant just jump into the Down B wall, else you will get UAird or they just release the situation.

And if you runt into the Down B. Down B can lead into grab, if they are seperated. (and they are when doing Down B Wall)

Down B Wall = Seperated Pepe + Nana doing down Bs rotational so that there is no gap where you can go through the down Bs the normaly way.

 

[TheMike]

I cant change the title of the thread. :/

Sadly you cant just jump into the Down B wall, else you will get UAird or they just release the situation.

And if you runt into the Down B. Down B can lead into grab, if they are seperated. (and they are when doing Down B Wall)

Down B Wall = Seperated Pepe + Nana doing down Bs rotational so that there is no gap where you can go through the down Bs the normaly way.

Edit your post in the "Go Advanced" option. Then you'll find a space above your post where the title is. Just change it. I can my thread's titles lol


And the "separate" I mean is real separate(one far from the other), not desync. :]

 

[Jupz]

Dash shield into blizzard so you go far in with your momentum->SL OOS

 

[FB Dj_Iskascribble]

no they can grab you out of shieldstun
the best advice against blizzard wall is wait it out. you cant really do anything when they are doing it if its done correctly.

 

[Jupz]

no they can grab you out of shieldstun
the best advice against blizzard wall is wait it out. you cant really do anything when they are doing it if its done correctly.

why would they stop doing it then?

 

[smasher01]

Wow can you really not change the title of the thread.
you should just make a new one where you can change it and while your at it write the summery for falcos
lazers on the first page.