Melee Match-Up Chart (NTSC) [Update 008 - 09.09.28]

[Devil Ray]

marth is garbs.

 

[Blatt Blvd]

marth is garbs.

yeah, so is Shiek

 

[strawhats]

wait that means that m2k is garbs. lol

Marth is not gars. Not enough top level players use him now a days. Come back ken

 

[Strong Badam]

marth is grabs.

fixed lol

Spoiler

obv. marth isn't just grabs, but lol

 

[unknown522]

more marths would be interesting.

 

[x After Dawn x]

We've seen the rise of amazing Marth players (back in the day), Sheik players (in the very early days), Jiggs player (Mango), and Armada (Peach). Now I'm waiting for some super **** Fox player to rise to the top somewhere in the next 2 years and dominate everybody.

 

[KAOSTAR]

more marths would be interesting.

It would be nice to see more top level marths and sheiks.

 

[unknown522]

yeah. Fox too.

 

[-ACE-]

There are a lot of Foxes that are are at least somewhat close to top level already. I'd also like to see more Marths and a few more Sheiks.

 

[john!]

Man just cuz of Genesis you guys really want to see more top tiers again? Years of that wasn't enough? Wouldn't you be more excited if, say an IC's player rose to the top?

 

[A Pimp Named Slickback]

I wanna see a really good Samus again.

HugS where you at.

 

[Fly_Amanita]

HugS is getting back into Melee, although he isn't as good as he used to be.

 

[lordvaati]

really? he was almost Ken's equal before he left( well he fought evenly with him, anyway.)

Man just cuz of Genesis you guys really want to see more top tiers again? Years of that wasn't enough? Wouldn't you be more excited if, say an IC's player rose to the top?

people are still going WTF over a Jiggs dominating. more surprises would rule.

 

[unknown522]

I still haven't watched the genesis GFs and LFs because of how boring the matchups are.

No offence to the player, but those 2 characters actually ruin the game for me.

 

[JPOBS]

Nothing tops jigglypuff dittos on brainstar. nothing.

na but armada vs mango was awesome cuz it was just massive hype and random moments of awesome.

 

[john!]

No offence to the player, but those 2 characters actually ruin the game for me.

Why is that? Lots of people don't have respect for these chars and it baffles me...

And now people are fond of calling them "cheap" even thought it's not ME who's dominating with them...

 

[joeplicate]

HugS is getting back into Melee, although he isn't as good as he used to be.

he's getting there pretty quick
yesterday he was moving a lot tighter



mango vs armada was a great set because there hasn't been a higher level of play yet
**** DA HATERS

 

[unknown522]

Why is that? Lots of people don't have respect for these chars and it baffles me...

And now people are fond of calling them "cheap" even thought it's not ME who's dominating with them...

I tried watching them. I'll probably get around to finishing them.

It's just that jiggs is like: lol camp / poke for mistake, you die in 1 hit, while peach camps back and grinds damage.

They can't do much else, but the 1 or 2 things they are good at is awesome, in the most boring way.

Also, even if they do something stupid, they don't get combo'd much.

It's like watching brawl to me, especially if they are both being played.

 

[KAOSTAR]

You think that because you didnt watch.

Alot of the hype was being there tho, Those were the best ****ing spacing matches ever played.

Mango vs Armada was actually interesting to watch despite the character selection.

Even Mango's selection of tags was epic. It was like he was powering up the entire time until he reached SSj boxtag.

dragonball z moments ftw!

 

[otg]

I thought mango v. armada is one of the best smash sets ever.

my 2cents

 

[x After Dawn x]

I hate Jigglypuff. Some of her gameplay mechanic abilities are just so different from the rest of the cast and it makes it feel like Brawl to me. >_> It's really the only matchup I despise playing against.

 

[Strong Badam]

it was boring past all of the hype and rests and the stitch face combos
might as well have been Mewtwo vs. Zelda

 

[joeplicate]

I tried watching them. I'll probably get around to finishing them.

It's just that jiggs is like: lol camp / poke for mistake, you die in 1 hit, while peach camps back and grinds damage.

They can't do much else, but the 1 or 2 things they are good at is awesome, in the most boring way.

Also, even if they do something stupid, they don't get combo'd much.

It's like watching brawl to me, especially if they are both being played.

you are grossly oversimplifying

and when you take into consideration that mango and armada are the 2 best with their characters IN THE WORLD, it's fair to say they're doing more than "1 or 2 things"

peach doesn't just grind damage, dude, armada 0-deathed mango's JIGGLYPUFF, plus his combos are ridiculous

edit: honestly, anyone who thinks it was "boring" should look deeper into the matches, there is AMAZING thinking going on
it's not just camp camp camp bair bair turnip turnip, scrubs

 

[choknater]

You think that because you didnt watch.

Alot of the hype was being there tho, Those were the best ****ing spacing matches ever played.

Mango vs Armada was actually interesting to watch despite the character selection.

Even Mango's selection of tags was epic. It was like he was powering up the entire time until he reached SSj boxtag.

dragonball z moments ftw!

lmao i love that analogy

and yea joe is right

those matches were ****, greatest matches i've ever watched

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

lol @ unknown being bored watching spacing. if you're watching any match up and they are doing something other than spacing, they are doing it wrong. end of story. even if they are playing fox, they should be just spacing/staying safe.

 

[Cosmo!]

I still haven't watched the genesis GFs and LFs because of how boring the matchups are.

No offence to the player, but those 2 characters actually ruin the game for me.

wow I didnt think you were a scrub, guess i was wrong

 

[lordvaati]

I tried watching them. I'll probably get around to finishing them.

It's just that jiggs is like: lol camp / poke for mistake, you die in 1 hit, while peach camps back and grinds damage.

They can't do much else, but the 1 or 2 things they are good at is awesome, in the most boring way.

Also, even if they do something stupid, they don't get combo'd much.

It's like watching brawl to me, especially if they are both being played.

that's because they are both Floaties, and Floaties naturally have slower movements(sans Luigi and Samus) plus Peach and Jiggs are 2 of the slowest dashers, so naturally anyone accustomed to speedy fights(usually with fastfallers) would probably get Bored.

I hate Jigglypuff. Some of her gameplay mechanic abilities are just so different from the rest of the cast and it makes it feel like Brawl to me. >_> It's really the only matchup I despise playing against.

they pretty much took the slowest running and falling character in the game and gave it godly aerials and an Fsmash as fast as 64 Kirby's.

so yeah, it's an oddball, but it's a fun to use oddball.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

I think 55-45 ice climbers vs pikachu is way off, unless it's just popo vs pikachu. they grab and win and pikachu can't camp them or anything that messes them up bad up-smash is good I geuss, pikachu can't fight them in the air very good they should be able to sheild grab a lot of stuff, and pikachu can't play the spam your smashes game like ice climbers, I would think it's 70-30

upair gimps would help pikachu

 

[choknater]

pikachu can separate them pretty well

but yea ic's still **** em pretty bad

i would say 60 40

or 62.38 : 37.62

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

How? I play as pichu and that would be sweet to know how.

 

[choknater]

pichu sucks against ic's.... its like 110:-10 ic's lol

pikachu can separate them with stuff like fair->dsmash lol, or bthrow

pikachus generally decent at not getting grabbed

but if he does, hes so easy to cg, and ic's are just too powerful for him in general

 

[BentoBox]

Brawl d-smash of coz

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

thanks chok I disargee with the 110--10 that's sheik she has at least double the grab range

 

[choknater]

pikachu's dsmash is still good in melee, very good against ic's if u connect it (link it from fair)

its a separator

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

hmm maybe pichu up-smash they suck in the air pichu can juggle heck maybe if your lucky you could get a few nairs on nana, but your F***ed from the point you pick pichu

 

[unknown522]

yeah, pichu gets ***** really hard by ICs.

Pika is still pretty bad, because the CG is ****.

I think 55-45 ice climbers vs pikachu is way off, unless it's just popo vs pikachu. they grab and win and pikachu can't camp them or anything that messes them up bad up-smash is good I geuss, pikachu can't fight them in the air very good they should be able to sheild grab a lot of stuff, and pikachu can't play the spam your smashes game like ice climbers, I would think it's 70-30

upair gimps would help pikachu

They next update has pika v ICs as 65-35. The update just still hasn't come yet.

wow I didnt think you were a scrub, guess i was wrong

MM.

You think that because you didnt watch.

Alot of the hype was being there tho, Those were the best ****ing spacing matches ever played.

Mango vs Armada was actually interesting to watch despite the character selection.

Even Mango's selection of tags was epic. It was like he was powering up the entire time until he reached SSj boxtag.

dragonball z moments ftw!

as I said before, I tried to watch them. I watched like 2 mins of some matches, that's pretty much it.







FYI to everyone else, I didn't say that they ruin the game period. They ruin the game for ME. I am allowed to have my own opinion on this ****.

 

[x After Dawn x]

unknown, does the next update have Fox vs Falco as 50-50?

 

[KirbyKaze]

Probably.

10chars

 

[x After Dawn x]

<3

10kirbykazes

 

[Pink Reaper]

It should have Kirby/Sheik at 55/45. Everyone knows Kirby counters Sheik, there's a match of Isai almost beating Ken's Sheik with Kirby in a friendly 5 years ago. That PROVES it.