Megaman X: Day of Death. ~ EVERYBODY DIED. SCUM WINS. GAME OVER.

[Analytical Buttheads]

Hey nich, sup. You convinced yet?

 

[Gova]

1. Inferno3044 ()
2. JTB ()
4. Red Ryu (1) Boat
6. Analytical Buttheads ()
8. Nicholas1024 ()
10. Terywj (3) RR, AB, Inferno
12. Boatchouli (1) Nich
13. Frozenflame751 ()
Not voting - JTB, Tery, FF

With 8 playing, it takes 5 to lynch!

Deadline is October 11th at 11:59 PM EST (GMT-5).

 

[Inferno3044]

I personally think that going with tery is the better option of the two. Today is the safest day to lynch him because assuming he is town and he shoots wrong, we have another day to reevaluate. If he is mafia then we lynch scum.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Kay, so who am I executing after I self-hammer?

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

I personally think that going with tery is the better option of the two. Today is the safest day to lynch him because assuming he is town and he shoots wrong, we have another day to reevaluate. If he is mafia then we lynch scum.

Yes, tery is the best lynch at this point, but boat should hammer and boat should be the target.

Reread the entire game, nobody else had even a quarter of the scummyness that boat has. Tery isn't safe per say though, he's an extra question mark that we can get rid of without losing anything. His only major scummyness stems from his association with boat.

Kay, so who am I executing after I self-hammer?

No, boat hammers you, or we lynch him if he refuses, then you next game day.

Assuming you're telling the truth, boat is your target.

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

You do NOT self-hammer Tery, period.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Oh. I guess I misinterpreted. Should I vote myself now then?

"Move Tery to l-1 ASAP and tell him to hammer, if he refuses or it gets to within 20 hours of the deadline we're immediately lynching him, no ifs ands or buts."

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

Would be appreciated tery, I meant Boat though.


For those playing at home, the ONLY reason why this course of action is ok is that even if Tery were confirmed town, his survival makes no difference whatsoever, due to his claimed status as a vengeful and the even number of remaining townies. This means that it's to town-Tery's advantage to expedite his lynch so his power can be utilized. (if this is scum-tery he's put himself in a bind).

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Which I would not be smart enough to do anyway (the scum Tery scenario).

Vote: Terywj

 

[JTB]

Tery, give me your stances, don't make me ask again

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

I find it rather odd that you're asking for Tery for stances when even he's agreeing that he should be the lynch target for the day both for reasons tied to his alignment and the fact that he's essentially a free lynch if he's town, and you're STILL pressuring him for stances, and you're ignoring the giant-*** case I just posted against boat.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

And if I refuse? What're you gonna do, lynch me?

Town: Nicholas1024, Inferno3044, Terywj
Pro-Town: Analytical_Buttheads
Neutral: Frozenflame
Pro-Scum: JTB
Scum: Red Ryu, Boatchouli

LOL Y U MAD THO

 

[Inferno3044]

Does it really make a difference who hammers? I personally wouldn't have a problem with JTB hammering tery.

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

Yea it does, mafia bomb Tery means that we're almost definitely dealing with boat-scum, and that's exactly what we're trying to hedge against.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Can someone tell me what a Mafia Bomb is? LOL

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

Kills whoever kills him, can extend to night action, the hammering play in a lynch wagon, or both.

 

[Inferno3044]

Can someone tell me what a Mafia Bomb is? LOL

A bomb means that whoever hammers you dies as well. I believe same goes with if you get NK'd. Basically its like vengeful but you don't get to choose. A bomb can be either faction.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

That sounds like a terrible role. Anyway, why haven't I been hammered yet.

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

Waiting on ryker obviously.

 

[Inferno3044]

That sounds like a terrible role. Anyway, why haven't I been hammered yet.

Well it can go both ways because it punishes opportunistic scum trying to hammer a mislynch. Or if scum decides to NK you they die with you. Most of the bomb's power comes from people not knowing that they are the bomb. As scum that means if you die you take a townie out with them. On the down side you don't get to choose who dies.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Adum, I'm not trading walls with you. Instead, I'm dealing with your TL;DR. NOBODY MOVES UNTIL I GET DONE.

 

[Inferno3044]

@AB- do you really think tery is a bomb? Unless you think he is playing dumb (and I mean playing REAL dumb) I don't think he is lying. To me it sounds like RR pulled the mafia bomb thing out of his ***.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

For the record, I'm STILL waiting on JTB and RR to respond to me.

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

Adum, I'm not trading walls with you. Instead, I'm dealing with your TL;DR. NOBODY MOVES UNTIL I GET DONE.

The walls are the evidence, and there's a lot of it, if you're not gonna respond to the evidence you might as well not respond at all.


Oh and folks, if you're not on the existing tery wagon, put your votes on boat.

Some incentive to be done quickly, and it better be good.

@AB- do you really think tery is a bomb? Unless you think he is playing dumb (and I mean playing REAL dumb) I don't think he is lying. To me it sounds like RR pulled the mafia bomb thing out of his ***.

Not only is it possible, it's pretty much the only explanation if he's scum for his claim beyond sheer ridiculous stupidity.

Note how when me and OS were discussing a tery lynch when he claimed initially, we discussed wagon orders and who would drop the hammer. I don't think we ever said it directly, it was implicit in the discussion because that was the only reason to dictate that (I'm gonna assume that OS at some point ran into a role that kills the lynching wagon's leader). Given circus' earlier play it makes more sense, and his interactions with boat makes them being mafia together a strong possibility.


It's all there in my case, with supporting quotes.

 

[Nicholas1024]

@AB
Actually, I remember Leonardo had a role like that in TMNT 2 mafia. Basically he'd kill the person that vigged him or the hammerer on his wagon.

Regarding the Tery thing, the one problem I see is that there's just no way that Boat-scum (or even Boat town) would hammer Tery regardless of alignment, as either way he dies.

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

@AB
Actually, I remember Leonardo had a role like that in TMNT 2 mafia. Basically he'd kill the person that vigged him or the hammerer on his wagon.

Regarding the Tery thing, the one problem I see is that there's just no way that Boat-scum (or even Boat town) would hammer Tery regardless of alignment, as either way he dies.

If tery is town then boat has a chance of convincing tery to kill jtb or RR instead, in this case at least he has a chance versus a guaranteed death if we just outright lynch boat instead, assuming of course he can't outright convince us he isn't scum (I'm open to the possibility, but in my entire reread, the closest to a townread he had was declaring FF town and switching his read on me, both of which were pretty much universally held at the time. And that was when he was once again a popular lynch target, under pretty much the same conditions as he created the raziek wagon. Feel free to reread yourself if you have any doubts).

Of course if tery is a mafia bomb, then he isn't gonna hammer, unless he just gives up cause we've caught the team.

 

[Inferno3044]

So ryker isn't going to lynch tery. Why not have someone else do it?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

JTB or FrozenFlame would be nice.

 

[Inferno3044]

I just don't get why the hammer is such a big deal. I don't think he is a mafia bomb.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I also wish FrozenFlame was active this game.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Back from traveling to Iowa for a party and back and lolmidtermsmidtermsmidterms. >_<

Not quite done reading everything just yet but I've gone through D1 and D2 so far and RR, JTB, and Boat still remained the biggest question marks in my book. I actually have tery leaning more town now but given his claim and its utility (and definitely not utility we want to "face check" in endgame so to speak), lynching him now and cleaning up another question mark is def. a plus in my book. I'd honestly prefer he shoot JTB over boat but meh, I'm not really that picky about it atm and having been inactive for so long I dont particularly expect my opinion to stick much.

I'm still convinced that if we get rid of Tery, RR, JTB and Boat we'll win for sure. For extra certainty toss in Infern as well but he'd be the last of my scum picks. I'm not really expecting to be around in this game for much longer before I get NK'd but I figure you're all interested in my lynch order thoughts.

So yeah, if I could have it my way these are the scummiest players, in order from should die most to least:

JTB, Boat, RR, Tery, Infern

If we can make them all go bye bye magically we should def. win.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

I'm also willing to hammer Tery if you guys need a hammer and Boat won't do it or something.

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

So ryker isn't going to lynch tery. Why not have someone else do it?

If he has to chose between being lynched outright and having the opportunity to convince tery to not kill him, I think the decision is obvious.


Unless he is a mafia bomb, in which case his refusal tells the story.

I just don't get why the hammer is such a big deal. I don't think he is a mafia bomb.

Hedging our bets, remember I pointed out significant evidence that pointed in that direction.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Whatever. I'm not Mafia, as you will see with my eventual flip. I'm to execute Boatchouli unless massive support for JTB / Red Ryu / a new target arises. Understood.

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

Back from traveling to Iowa for a party and back and lolmidtermsmidtermsmidterms. >_<

Not quite done reading everything just yet but I've gone through D1 and D2 so far and RR, JTB, and Boat still remained the biggest question marks in my book. I actually have tery leaning more town now but given his claim and its utility (and definitely not utility we want to "face check" in endgame so to speak), lynching him now and cleaning up another question mark is def. a plus in my book. I'd honestly prefer he shoot JTB over boat but meh, I'm not really that picky about it atm and having been inactive for so long I dont particularly expect my opinion to stick much.

I'm still convinced that if we get rid of Tery, RR, JTB and Boat we'll win for sure. For extra certainty toss in Infern as well but he'd be the last of my scum picks. I'm not really expecting to be around in this game for much longer before I get NK'd but I figure you're all interested in my lynch order thoughts.

So yeah, if I could have it my way these are the scummiest players, in order from should die most to least:

JTB, Boat, RR, Tery, Infern

If we can make them all go bye bye magically we should def. win.

Why is JTB scummier then Boat? Note the massive case I just pointed out that points out his behavior from a variety of angles.

How does inferno's unCC'd claim factor into this?

Claim please.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Why is JTB scummier then Boat? Note the massive case I just pointed out that points out his behavior from a variety of angles.

How does inferno's unCC'd claim factor into this?

Claim please.

I get JTB scum over Boat scum just based on his D1 actions, and circus's statements regarding him and other players (circus's treatment of other players has calrified my reads of them in a positive direction, and though not all of what Circus said necessarily implicates JTB at all, it's just the fact that there is a lack of clarity there and a lack of particular connection that makes me not like him being around).

I'm sure your case on Boat is all well and good and I'll be getting to it eventually. I'm sure you've probably articulated a lot of the same ideas I have about Boat that make me not want him around later in the game or just remaining in the game as a question make in any way.

I'll get back to you if I can before deadline and let you know what I particularly think jives with me in your case on Boat and what doesn't, but don't expect anything too spectacular. JTB and Boat for me are both top priority kills in this game, separate from my other picks for people can can die, and as such the one degree of separation in my desire to remove them both doesn't mean much and really shouldn't mean much to anyone.

Infern's claim doesn't factor into much of anything for me. If anything, I guess I feel a little bit more comfortable with him being on the very tail end of my "should die" list since if he's telling the truth he's gonna get NK'd anyway (which removes a questionmark). Also, even if he's left around, we can hold him accountable to protecting who we tell him to and thus force the scum's hand in who they can kill if they want to keep up infern's fake claim charade, if that's what his claim ultimately is.

So yeah, the fact that he claimed doc makes me feel a little bit safer with keeping him around for now, but it doesn't really influence my read of him either way. We just gotta keep him accountable and make sure he isn't fake claiming, and do so before it gets too late in the game if the scum don't show us whether or not he is legit for us.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Oh and I'm Armored Armidillo, Maverick Bulletproof.

One shot BP. Got shot N1 like I said.

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

JTB isn't happening today, but given boat-scum, if tery isn't scum, then he's the most likely scum. For now, take a glance at the material I gathered and if you agree, place your vote on boat. If not explain why not.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Wait I thought we were having me execute Boat?

 

[Inferno3044]

Wait I thought we were having me execute Boat?

That's still the plan. They are saying if you're town and shoot boat, if he flips scum then JTB is most likely the remaining scum slot.