Megaman X: Day of Death. ~ EVERYBODY DIED. SCUM WINS. GAME OVER.

[Boatchouli]

F*** it.

Spark Mandrill, Maverick faction. Essentially a VT. Maverick is in purple.

http://www.smashboards.com/member.php?u=72031

 

[Nicholas1024]

From the Circus case.

Not counting AB who couldn't vote, there were 5 people on Frozen's wagon before he even had a chance to respond.

Those 5 people are OS, Red Ryu, Circus, Inferno, and Raziek.

I want to focus on these people, plus Boat/Tery.

For reference, here's the lynch vote count.

1. Inferno3044 ()
2. JTB ()
3. Overswarm (1) Boat
4. Red Ryu ()
5. Circus (7) Nich, Raziek, RR, Xatres, Tery, OS, Rajam
6. Analytical Buttheads ()
7. Rajam ()
8. Nicholas1024
9. Xatres ()
10. Terywj (1) Circus
11. Raziek ()
12. Boatchouli (2) Inferno, FF
13. Frozenflame751 ()

Not voting - JTB, AB

With 13 playing, it takes 7 to lynch!

Circus has been lynched! The game is in twilight until further notice.

Anyway, of Frozen's wagoners...

OS I need to think a lot more about. His gambit play makes getting a good read agonizingly difficult, since just about anything scummy he can pass off as a gambit, and I don't know what the truth is. However I'm not giving him town points for his role on Circus's lynch, since it was pretty obvious Circus was dead by the point he hopped on.

Red Ryu puzzles me, on the one hand he was a big help in the Circus lynch (3rd vote), but on the other hand he was also a big factor in Frozen's wagon, and I haven't liked his D2 play at all. (Don't remember much of the other stuff he did D1).

@RR
Why were you on Frozen? (apologies if you answered this before)

Circus is a dead mafia, not much else to say.

Inferno is also tricky, but of note is that Inferno was on the Frozen wagon and not the Circus one.

Raziek I have a good townie read on. I accept his reason of preventing a no-lynch on the Frozen wagon (deadline was approaching fast and his vote was L-2), and he really helped get the Circus wagon off the ground. So he's not in my lynch pool.

 

[Boatchouli]

Vote JTB

Unvote

Vote Xatres

Unvote

Maybe Vote AB

Unvote

Vote Xatres

 

[Nicholas1024]

MUST RESIST URGE TO STRANGLE RYKER

MUST RESIST URGE....

MUST RESIST.....

Seriously, at this point the only even half-good reason NOT to kill him would be that there are better possible targets. Ugh.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

MUST RESIST URGE TO STRANGLE RYKER

MUST RESIST URGE....

MUST RESIST.....

Seriously, at this point the only even half-good reason NOT to kill him would be that there are better possible targets. Ugh.

 

[Boatchouli]

Don't encourage him, Nich.
You're only feeding his stupidity.

 

[Nicholas1024]

I suppose you're right, Moth. (I'm telling you, if it weren't for your side of the hydra being capable of putting together a full sentence, I'd have already lynched him, I'm sure.) Got any important thoughts?

 

[Boatchouli]

I still have to reread on my own time since Ryker's not bothering to play.
I'll get back to you in a few hours and then I'll start actually playing.

 

[Gova]

1. Inferno3044 ()
2. JTB (1) Tery
3. Overswarm (1) Xatres,
4. Red Ryu ()
6. Analytical Buttheads ()
7. Rajam ()
8. Nicholas1024
9. Xatres (1) Boat
10. Terywj ()
11. Raziek ()
12. Boatchouli (2) RR, OS
13. Frozenflame751 ()

Not voting - Inferno, JTB, AB, Rajam, Nich, Raziek, FF

With 12 playing, it takes 7 to lynch!

Deadline is September 30th at 11:59 PM EST (GMT-5).

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Red Ryu and Inferno, your reads in a post just like Raziek or Tery's please.

Red Ryu and Inferno, your reads in a post just like Raziek or Tery's please.

1. Inferno3044
2. JTB
3. Overswarm
4. Red Ryu
6. Analytical Buttheads
7. Rajam
8. Nicholas1024
9. Xatres
10. Terywj
11. Raziek
12. Boatchouli
13. Frozenflame751

In this case, I want you to explain how Raziek on Circus could have been a bus. I don't buy it. Not at all.

You are right, I reread to make sure. He wasn't busing even if it was one post, and he could have went other directions and not Circus if he was his scummate.

I'll retract my read on him.

 

[Xatres]

In the middle of a reread that's going to take days (cataloguing every post). Here's my list as it currently stands:

1. Inferno3044
2. JTB
3. Overswarm
4. Red Ryu
6. Analytical Buttheads
7. Rajam
8. Nicholas1024
9. Xatres
10. Terywj
11. Raziek
12. Boatchouli
13. Frozenflame751

 

[Overswarm]

Days? **** takes like an hour, there's only 21 pages.

Why do you think Xatres is scum?

He fits the profile. More accurately, I want to know more about him. His connections are scarce, his play is reckless and isolated, and there's a chance he's scum without being mafia. I have a strong reason to believe there is at least one independent here.

Why are you so sure AB is confirmed town?

Color thing. This should definitely clear him. If you recall, Soup made a specific mention to NOT mention colors; the only reason he'd do this is if colors themselves were important. If someone started the day with "my role PM is purple" without prompt, we would have had a town clear day 1. Someone sent a PM to soup warning him of this before the game started. I don't know about you, but I didn't receive any future information in the PM nor was the color indicated elsewhere. Furthermore, Soup didn't kill him because Soup didn't clarify properly when it came to rules.

AB is cleared.

Why did you try to get people to blindly follow Adumb's scum read D1?

The same reason I used AB as bait on D1 to get reads. You don't leave strong players in the shadows. You don't even leave mediocre players in the shadows. You don't take unnecessary risks on D1 and you take the best path possible.

I use AB as bait, wagon forms
AB gets out of wagon
Use AB as a mule to get a wagon started somewhere else; this is win/win. AB wanted to go after FF (one of the people I wanted to know more about), and a lynch would have given me his flip with votes. If FF flips scum, happy day. If FF flips town, who do you think is going to have happily tacked on to the last minute wagon? It was lead by a mod-confirmed townie and encouraged by Town's #1 town read (that's me!) for all of Day 1 repeatedly. You don't think scum would try to jump on that wagon?

OS, Red Ryu, Circus, Inferno, and Raziek.

Oh wait, they would.

Plus, if FF dies I wouldn't have to worry about looking into him the next day and could focus on Circus. Fortunately for me, Circus is dead scum and FF is cleared town. Unfortunately for me, the few I had been paying close attention to are all cleared or dead. I wanted to look at FF, and all I can see is a townie. I was planning on looking at Circus, but a last minute lynch took care of that for me.


Cleared town (or at least not mafia):
3. Overswarm (cuz it's me)
6. Analytical Buttheads (Gheb_01/adumbrodeus) (color)
8. Nicholas1024 (lead the lynch on Circus and is way to aggro to be a successful long term indie unless he's BP)
13. Frozenflame751


Non-cleared: 8/12

With a kill every Night and a lynch every day, it would take 4 phases (8 kills) to get rid of all the confirmed townies. That'd put us in lylo. That's pretty good odds.


People I'd rather not deal with right now:
4. Red Ryu
7. Rajam
10. Terywj


People I wouldn't mind dealing with right now but don't really care about at just this moment:
1. Inferno3044

People I'd like to look into:
2. JTB
11. Raziek
12. Boatchouli (Ryker/Moth)

Person I'm most interested in:
9. Xatres





Now, knowing that as the game goes on there are 4 bright and shiny targets for scum, we know that no one outside of the initial four will be targeted.

Knowing this, we have to target our lynch outside that if we're coming from a numbers perspective. This means JTB and Boat have to die or be cleared in some way prior to lylo because frankly... we have nothing on them. Xatres we have more on, but not that much.



JTB, Boat. Your lists please. Just like everyone else's.

 

[Inferno3044]

Just got out of a fraternity thing and I sign on to see circus be the lynch. I'm curious to see how he flips.

This is why my vote wasn't on circus nich. He was around 4 votes I think when I last checked the thread and then he got lynched before I could check the thread again.

 

[Overswarm]

For those playing the home game, his post history suggests this is possible.

 

[Inferno3044]

@OS- I wouldn't call you confirmed town. I think you are town, but not confirmed. Also would you mind sharing your list of the roster?

 

[Nicholas1024]

@AB/frozen
I'm having trouble reading OS right now. Do you buy his explanation for why he was on your respective wagons?

@Inferno
So, you would have joined the wagon late if you'd been on at the time?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Color thing. This should definitely clear him. If you recall, Soup made a specific mention to NOT mention colors; the only reason he'd do this is if colors themselves were important. If someone started the day with "my role PM is purple" without prompt, we would have had a town clear day 1. Someone sent a PM to soup warning him of this before the game started. I don't know about you, but I didn't receive any future information in the PM nor was the color indicated elsewhere. Furthermore, Soup didn't kill him because Soup didn't clarify properly when it came to rules.

AB is cleared.

Edited out by S2. Picture of an anime girl with a delicious looking drink saying "Let me tell you why that's bull****." She was pretty cute.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=300800

JTB, Boat. Your lists please. Just like everyone else's.

Vote JTB

Unvote

Vote Xatres

Unvote

Maybe Vote AB

Unvote

Vote Xatres

 

[Rajam]

I didn't even got time to read D1 -_-

Let me catch up asap, but @mod my request to be replaced is still up. Sorry about the upsets, but I think my activity level has been and will be an offense to other players

I'll give some reads later

 

[Boatchouli]

Ryker's an idiot but those reads are accurate.

 

[Xatres]

@AB/frozen
I'm having trouble reading OS right now. Do you buy his explanation for why he was on your respective wagons?

Here's a better question: Why should we trust anything OS has to say? He's telling us that both wagons he supported yesterday were both BS from the start?

Great, so what would have happened if I had put AB at L-1 yesterDay? What if I had been less cautious? Couldn't AB have been easily hammered, simply by following OS's lead?

Or how about OS disappearing for large portions of the end of yesterDay, in the middle of a wagon he's admitted he didn't believe in? He starts a fake wagon to get info and then doesn't stick around to hit the brakes if someone starts looking mad scummy? Sure, we would have gained info from FF's flip, but clearly the alternative of hitting scum is preferable. What would have happened if Nich hadn't been there to swing the votes around to scum?

Really OS, I don't see any reason we should believe anything you have to say anymore. You've basically told us that everyone move you've made this game was an act of deception. You can try to pull semantics all you want, but the fact is that you a feeding disinformation about what you actually believe. This makes town unable to read you.

Again I ask: "Who benefits?".

 

[Xatres]

Days? **** takes like an hour, there's only 21 pages.

Real time? Several hours, the way I'm doing it. I just don't have the time/patience to cram it into one day. I'm still up to date with the topic. I'm just trying to get a catalogue of posts so I can see connections and find quotes more easily.

He fits the profile. More accurately, I want to know more about him. His connections are scarce, his play is reckless and isolated, and there's a chance he's scum without being mafia. I have a strong reason to believe there is at least one independent here.

Wow, reckless? Was I reckless when I held off voting for AB so we'd have more time to scumhunt? Was I reckless by going against the crowd and not following your instructions to vote for FF? Didn't you criticize me yesterDay for these stances, saying I was 'taking independent thought too far?'

Looks like my caution helped us avoid a mislynch. That doesn't sound very reckless at all.

 

[Overswarm]

Stuff like this is why I question you.

Here's a better question: Why should we trust anything OS has to say? He's telling us that both wagons he supported yesterday were both BS from the start?

Great, so what would have happened if I had put AB at L-1 yesterDay? What if I had been less cautious? Couldn't AB have been easily hammered, simply by following OS's lead?

Who said I thought AB was town? I just didn't plan on enforcing the lynch all the way through; if I did I would have supported it. Didn't mind other people going through with it though. If I make a solid case on someone and then they get lynched, we learn whether they were town or scum. If I make a hollow case that looks good but doesn't have much substance, we get eager supporters piling on that we can sift through later.

And again, I didn't care whether or not AB got lynched. His play was pretty bad and highly suspect, and more than enough to warrant a lynch. It was incredibly easy to manufacture a wagon, yes, but that doesn't mean his alignment was town. SOMEONE was going to get lynched on D1, and how I presented it gave me information. That's not a "BS wagon". That's a wagon made in such a way that you get more information than a simple flip.

Or how about OS disappearing for large portions of the end of yesterDay, in the middle of a wagon he's admitted he didn't believe in? He starts a fake wagon to get info and then doesn't stick around to hit the brakes if someone starts looking mad scummy? Sure, we would have gained info from FF's flip, but clearly the alternative of hitting scum is preferable. What would have happened if Nich hadn't been there to swing the votes around to scum?

Extrapolation AND hindsight bias in one post? Impressive. See, I disappeared after work to have lunch with a friend and then saw movie. Then I came back. If you didn't notice, I was on the Circus wagon at the end, not FF. I didn't expect the Circus lynch to come about; it was a good (and kind of lucky!) push by Nich that had a lot of last minute support. Most of the time we don't even have enough active players to make a lynch happen that late even if they are all in agreement.

And again, didn't care if FF got lynched or not. He was one of the two people I was interested in, so him getting lynched is a win in my book. If you want to discuss it from the perspective of me knowing FF's alignment, feel free; but I didn't. It's merely a win/win situation for me. The FF wagon started because AB was cleared and I told everyone to hop along AB's thought process. This is nearly a failsafe wagon for scum, so you know scum is on it if FF flips town. Scum was on it, and fast, just like it was on my AB lynch. How do you think Circus was so easy to catch? These scenarios weren't random, they're manufactured.

Really OS, I don't see any reason we should believe anything you have to say anymore. You've basically told us that everyone move you've made this game was an act of deception. You can try to pull semantics all you want, but the fact is that you a feeding disinformation about what you actually believe. This makes town unable to read you.

Again I ask: "Who benefits?".

Makes town unable to read me? I can make town read me however I want. You know this, everyone knows this. I started the game and had all of town saying "OS is obv town". Even Nich, who starts the game off saying "I've got an eye on you OS, I won't let you get me again" and this huge vendetta from Fire Emblem is saying "Doc protect OS". It takes Frozen Flame and myself telling you guys how high you are for trusting someone for being town just because they haven't done something scummy.

How about looking at it from the other direction.

What has OS given us?

I gave you the AB wagon
I made the FF wagon legitimate

Both of which brought about Circus' death

I've made multiple players in this game post their reads repeatedly, leaving a plain and obvious paper trail


I'm not hiding and you couldn't get a wagon on me even if you tried.

I haven't decided who is actually going to die today because there's a lot of people I want to know more about. You just happen to be the first on my list. You seem to be rather obsessed with me though. Despite my charm, I'd really like to hear your opinion on a few other people... rather than the 4 confirmed town.

 

[Nicholas1024]

OS, if Xatres was scum, do you really think he'd be trying to push a lynch on YOU?

That's about as smart as scum openly antagonizing me. I'm not buying it. Additionally, his Circus vote counts against him being mafia.

Also, if Raziek is scum, why on earth would he have made the second vote on Circus and helped the wagon gain traction? Again, not buying it.

 

[Overswarm]

Real time? Several hours, the way I'm doing it. I just don't have the time/patience to cram it into one day. I'm still up to date with the topic. I'm just trying to get a catalogue of posts so I can see connections and find quotes more easily.

I await this post greatly.

Wow, reckless? Was I reckless when I held off voting for AB so we'd have more time to scumhunt? Was I reckless by going against the crowd and not following your instructions to vote for FF? Didn't you criticize me yesterDay for these stances, saying I was 'taking independent thought too far?'

Looks like my caution helped us avoid a mislynch. That doesn't sound very reckless at all.

You seemed to want to lynch a few people, including myself, yesterday. You got on the circus lynch, then got off and tried to move elsewhere and even suggested a No Lynch as a possible option. You only jumped on after no one bit. That's a pretty romantic retelling of your play so far.

Your play has been reckless because you're only playing in the moment.

Tell me, if you daykilled me right now and I flipped scum, who would this incriminate?

If I flipped town, where would you go?


Do you have a plan for tomorrow, or are you just going with whatever someone chooses to show you?

OS, if Xatres was scum, do you really think he'd be trying to push a lynch on YOU?

That's about as smart as scum openly antagonizing me. I'm not buying it. Additionally, his Circus vote counts against him being mafia.

Also, if Raziek is scum, why on earth would he have made the second vote on Circus and helped the wagon gain traction? Again, not buying it

*facepalm*

Use your head, Nich! Think like Overswarm.

 

[Overswarm]

OS, if Xatres was scum, do you really think he'd be trying to push a lynch on YOU?

That's about as smart as scum openly antagonizing me. I'm not buying it. Additionally, his Circus vote counts against him being mafia.

Also, if Raziek is scum, why on earth would he have made the second vote on Circus and helped the wagon gain traction? Again, not buying it.

Also:

Boatimage.jpg

Let me tell you why that's crap:

Granted, I'm far more evil than Raziek and I doubt he'd bus Circus of all people, but still.

I hate to admit it but I like Overswarm. So I'd rather lynch Mayling toDay...

I even had Gheb on my side at the end of my first game :D

 

[Inferno3044]

@Nich - I would've. I didn't know who Venguarder was until I wiki'd him.

@OS - You have to gave Xatres some credit. His cautiousness contributed to having Circus lynched. If he voted and put him at L-1 someone could've easily hammered him. Also are you going to get to that list?

 

[Overswarm]

What list?

 

[Inferno3044]

What list?

@OS- I wouldn't call you confirmed town. I think you are town, but not confirmed. Also would you mind sharing your list of the roster?

This one here.

 

[Overswarm]

This one here.

Have you been reading my posts?

I started with this one: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13393786&postcount=737

 

[Inferno3044]

I must've overlooked it. My bad.

 

[Boatchouli]

Okay I'm finally caught up and I have to say, I agree with OS.
Raziek could easily be scum. I don't really get what people are saying about Raziek lifting the Circus case off the ground; he hopped on with no more given reasoning than "Sure whatever." The one who got the lynch happening was solely Nich. Completely and entirely his original case.

That said I don't like the AB shenanigans. Particularly this post:

He never added it to the rules then, the rules are what I double-checked before that. That post SHOWS that color isn't metadata. It is completely unreasonable to enforce a rule that is not in the rules.

The bolded sentence feels like padding for a fall. I think the whole deal with him being confirmed town is WIFOM and should not be taken as fact. It defeats the point of this being a fair and balanced game anyways.

I've also seen people setting me up for a D3 lynch should we survive that long, and I don't like that AT ALL. How long I survive has very little to do with my alignment and I have no control of Ryker's posting beyond eventually replacing Boatchouli out for my main account if I feel it's necessary to play the game to a satisfactory standard. I'd also like to point out that Raziek was one of the people saying a Boat lynch would be a good idea on D3 if Ryker continues posting pictures.

My current reads are as follows, if there are any discrepancies with what I said previously it's because I didn't know what the **** I was talking about:

1. Inferno3044
2. JTB
3. Overswarm
4. Red Ryu
6. Analytical Buttheads
7. Rajam
8. Nicholas1024
9. Xatres
10. Terywj
11. Raziek
12. Boatchouli
13. Frozenflame751

Colors should be self explanatory.

Raziek has been following other people this whole game and generally trying to blend in. I don't like him at all. I've stated why I don't think AB should be considered confirmed town and I find his play extremely anti-town.

A lot of the Nulls are because I simply haven't read into them. That was simply too much to read in one night and still have the energy to make a post with this much content.

I like OS' play and I like his thoughts though his logic on following AB was dumb as hell.
Nich is pretty much confirmed town from my point of view as he took several dying wagons near deadline and pushed a wagon on scum from literally no votes. Scum would have been content to blend in and put their vote pretty much anywhere since a no lynch would have been fine for scum.
Red Ryu makes as little sense as ever but he's leaning town at this point for me. Don't see any scum intent from him. May need to look into him a bit more.
Rajam is leaning town purely on the premise that Raziek is scum. If my read on Raziek were to be revised, so would my read on Rajam. The same may or may not apply in reverse depending on the situation.

In conclusion: Vote: Raziek

 

[JTB]

1. Inferno3044
2. JTB
3. Overswarm
4. Red Ryu
6. Analytical Buttheads
7. Rajam
8. Nicholas1024
9. Xatres
10. Terywj
11. Raziek
12. Boatchouli
13. Frozenflame751

Nulls are mostly temporary for now. Tomorrow is my last full day of training until sometime next week, so I can dedicate time this weekend to mafia.

Xatres read stems from his pushes on OS. The fact that he begins with saying its an abbreviated case is a red flag as it demonstrates that a) he's not putting much work into pushing his scum pick and/or b) he doesn't actually have a real case on OS. Point b should be obvious by looking at his first point against OS, in which he calls OS' case on AB anti-town because "it is a trick to get unobservant players to follow him" and doesn't actually back it up with what information he is referring to. And with his posts earlier today, I'm getting more of the impression that he is reaching for anything he can find to incriminate OS (i.e OS not being around at the end of the Day).

Tery I don't like. We have a scumflip D1 and Tery begins the day by....pushing inactives while Circus' posts are being reviewed. It's ok though! He still supports a Xatres lynch, but just rehashes his stance for D1 instead of telling us what is wrong with Xatres' case.

I dislike Inferno's 765 quite alot, I read it as possible noobscum trying to gain some townie points.

I like Boat's latest post as my thoughts with regards to AB's claim matches up with theirs (it's all WIFOM). However, there are discrepancies by the stances taken by Ryker and Moth that I want to know more about, as well as more about that scum read on AB.


Vote: Xatres

 

[Boatchouli]

Snip

I like Boat's latest post as my thoughts with regards to AB's claim matches up with theirs (it's all WIFOM). However, there are discrepancies by the stances taken by Ryker and Moth that I want to know more about, as well as more about that scum read on AB.

 

[Raziek]

Raziek could easily be scum. I don't really get what people are saying about Raziek lifting the Circus case off the ground; he hopped on with no more given reasoning than "Sure whatever." The one who got the lynch happening was solely Nich. Completely and entirely his original case.

Raziek has been following other people this whole game and generally trying to blend in. I don't like him at all. I've stated why I don't think AB should be considered confirmed town and I find his play extremely anti-town.

In conclusion: Vote: Raziek

Ok, seriously, this is starting to piss me off.

First of all, I very much DID help get the Circus wagon off the ground. You know what likely would have happened had I not been on it? People would have dismissed Nich as the crazy rambler JUST LIKE IN TIME TRAVELLERS WHEN HE HAD NABE PINNED.

Inferno, Red Ryu, and AB were ALL saying "Boat or Tery". If I hadn't helped that wagon pick up steam, it wouldn't have gone anywhere.

SECOND, my reasoning for jumping the wagon was not "Sure, whatever". I read Nich's case in full, asked him if he felt it was worth lynching him over Boat, THEN got on the wagon. I accepted his case as legitimate. That doesn't mean I have to make a big-*** post detailing every single reason I agreed with it.

Especially since "Sure, whatever" was the reasoning MOST people gave for jumping that wagon, including OS who basically just said, "This wagon has the most votes."

Give examples of how I'm apparently blending. Keep in mind I didn't join this game till mid-way through the day, and as soon as I did, I started tunneling RAJAM, someone NOBODY else was after. How is THAT blending?

This post is absolute BS.

unvote; vote: Boatchouli.

 

[Raziek]

I have time to do my major re-read now, so expect a big post in a bit, with updated reads.

 

[Nicholas1024]

@Raziek?
You read Time Travelers? +100 awesome points.

More seriously, what did you think of OS's push for you at the start of the day and his explanation for the FF wagon?

 

[Raziek]

@Raziek?
You read Time Travelers? +100 awesome points.

More seriously, what did you think of OS's push for you at the start of the day and his explanation for the FF wagon?

Nich, I was IN Time Travellers. I was the other half of the DeGrey hydra. Not as active as I would have liked to be due to work, but I was the one who caught the Terminator crumb and indirectly ended up ****ing Reyth over.

OS's push for me is ridiculous, as I've already stated. He goes on and on about Tery and Xatres, then says his prime suspects are JTB, Boat, Raziek, who have all been completely absent.

And saying I've been completely absent is a FLAT OUT LIE.

As for his explanation of the Frozenflame wagon, I'm currently undecided. I'll get back to you pending my re-read.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Wow, I can't believe I forgot that. I kept thinking of the Degrey hydra as just Ryker's slot. XD Sorry about that.

 

[Raziek]

It's no big, Ryker did most of the talking anyway, lol.

I was the quiet head.

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

Okay I'm finally caught up and I have to say, I agree with OS.
Raziek could easily be scum. I don't really get what people are saying about Raziek lifting the Circus case off the ground; he hopped on with no more given reasoning than "Sure whatever." The one who got the lynch happening was solely Nich. Completely and entirely his original case.

That said I don't like the AB shenanigans. Particularly this post:


The bolded sentence feels like padding for a fall. I think the whole deal with him being confirmed town is WIFOM and should not be taken as fact. It defeats the point of this being a fair and balanced game anyways.

That was a specific reference to rule 7 in fundamentals in case you didn't notice which i thought was governing this.


If you think I'm scum, care to explain why?

Also:

Boatimage.jpg

Let me tell you why that's crap:

Granted, I'm far more evil than Raziek and I doubt he'd bus Circus of all people, but still.



I even had Gheb on my side at the end of my first game :D

While possible it's unlikely that raziek would be willing let alone capable of doing it non-transparently.

If you have evidence that it was a bus, feel free to present it, but I don't buy it, and I'm currently very comfortable with the slot.