Megaman X: Day of Death. ~ EVERYBODY DIED. SCUM WINS. GAME OVER.

[Analytical Buttheads]

We're also going to read yesterDay up again. Scum could always hide among the inactives, no doubt about that.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Ok, this is ridiculous. Why am I so high on people's scum lists here? Do you have eyes? Explain this madness.

You know, Raziek, the pretensive form that I'm asking you to be super-de-duper active does not mean I have a scum read on you. In fact, I used to have a null / leaning town read, and if you actually read my posts, you would have noticed that. Have you been skimming? Not sure where you'll stand after that series, though.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

This is so terribly wrong. Did you just claim to take credit for "nailing Circus"? How are Xatres and Raziek that suspicious after what happened? Less than JTB and Tery?

I said I nailed him? I just said nailed Circus, not implying any specific person.

I find Xatres to be possible due to Circus' play with the players, I find it possible to be a bus. However I find Boat to be more likely.

Yeah.

No.

FoS Ryu

With no explanation why of course.

What's the scummy part about that? Raziek has not been suspicious of Rajam for activity reasons anyway.

No, but he has been putting a ton of pressure and focus away from people here.

 

[Raziek]

No, but he has been putting a ton of pressure and focus away from people here.

Explain? Pursuing questions I wanted answered is putting pressure away from others? Just because I'm not pressuring the same people everyone else is?

 

[Inferno3044]

So we lynched scum D1 AND there was no NK? We are off to a good start. First off, I am really confused on OS's action atm. He said "Xatres is the most scummy. Vote Raziek" Wtf? If Xatres is your prime suspect, why would you vote for anyone other than him? Also, I'm not sold on RR town atm. Just because he was on a scum wagon doesn't mean he's town.

@Raziek - You are making quite a big deal about how people see you as scummy. Also I thought narrowing it down was a good idea with people throwing around votes in whatever direction 4 hours before the deadline (Nich on Circus, Xatres on OS, Tery on Xatres). I'm happy now that Nich decided to pursue Circus.

Rajam, JTB, and Boat need to be more active.

@AB - Your thoughts on Raziek? They seem different than yesterday's.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Because it looks like fake contributing, remind said person they should answer it. I was not satisfied because you were not looking at active people and trying to figure out their alignment.

There is a point where your tunneling of Rajam is not needed and you should put focus elsewhere to see if people who are active are doing something worse, and or just as bad as you thought Rajam did.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

No response after my post, huh? Alrighty.

JTB, are you gonna cooperate toDay?

 

[Overswarm]

Why put your vote on Raz then tell everyone I'm your prime suspect. Why fail to make a case on either of us, but state outright that you want both of us dead?

You are continuing your habits of misinformation from yesterday, regardless of how long a post you can make. You are ignoring options with Tery and failing to explain your suspicions about Raz and me.

Vote: Overswarm

Who said I wanted Raziek dead? I said I want you dead. Votes don't mean you want someone dead, not when it's one vote. If I hadn't voted, we wouldn't have had any of those posts from Raziek, who we all know very little about. Then I did, and lo and behold... information. As the game goes on it gets more and more important.

Am I the only person here who thinks farther ahead than what's currently on the table? Sometimes you have to order the meal yourself.

In case somebody mentions it again: Both of our heads acknowledge the fact that our playerslot is by no means cleared. For all we know the mafia could've been given fake town role PMs. The Gheb head finds it incredibly odd of somebody who is so obsessed with the game mechanics of each game like Overswarm to be so sloppy about this fact - a fact that is pretty much undeniable. He also encouraged other people to follow suit to adum's suspicions on Frozen but didn't demand any reasoning. I'm not really sure what to make of it, there are things that make me question scumOS atm.

Use your head, AB. It's not too hard to figure out.





I'd like to mention that it's entirely possible that there is no NKill whatsoever. As per usual when looking for indies, I generally focus on the first person to mention indy behavior. It's the most common slip out there, and it's more than enough to look into someone. Xatres has mentioned a "infecting someone with the Maverick virus" and X being an "Immune Reploid". It could very well be that this is a cultist game in line with the viruses present in the series, but why Xatres chose to think that town could infect mafia raises my eyebrows. Both of 'em.

That said, if there isn't a NKill tomorrow, assume a cultist game.


Given that we have such a large advantage, lynching an inactive wouldn't necessarily be a bad call if we can't agree on someone later. The inactive I'd pick would be either JTB or Boat, preferrably Boat.

 

[Raziek]

No response after my post, huh? Alrighty.

There was a response required? Anything I could say would just be WIFOM.

I haven't been skimming. You saying I need to be more active is simply wrong, as I've just as active, if not more active than you. Since activity can't be the true implication, you must think I'm scummy.

 

[Overswarm]

Oh, and Xatres? I meant player, not play.

So, thoughts on every player.


You too Raziek.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

There was a response required? Anything I could say would just be WIFOM.

I haven't been skimming. You saying I need to be more active is simply wrong, as I've just as active, if not more active than you. Since activity can't be the true implication, you must think I'm scummy.

Okay then. If that's how you see it, I've no remarks on that.

 

[Raziek]

Oh, and Xatres? I meant player, not play.

So, thoughts on every player.


You too Raziek.

Later when I have time for a full re-read with the flip in mind.

 

[Overswarm]

Later when I have time for a full re-read with the flip in mind.

I mean your thoughts now, not after the re-read. They don't have to be in-depth, just color on names will do.

 

[Overswarm]

Adumbrodeus, do you think Inferno is leaking the "golly gee, that sure is lucky" tell or not? I can't quite tell. Don't know the player. The sentiment is pretty constant though.

 

[Xatres]

I mean your thoughts now, not after the re-read. They don't have to be in-depth, just color on names will do.

I see no reason why you wouldn't prefer a more educated response. You're every move strikes me as wrong, OS... :-/

 

[Raziek]

1. Inferno3044
2. JTB
3. Overswarm
4. Red Ryu
6. Analytical Buttheads (Gheb_01/adumbrodeus)
7. Rajam
8. Nicholas1024
9. Xatres
10. Terywj
11. Raziek
12. Boatchouli (Ryker/Moth)
13. Frozenflame751

Pink are inactives.
Blue Town.
Teal leaning Town.
Yellow is Null.
Orange slight scum.

This is pre-re-read, of course.

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

Adum here

I like Tery, RR, and Boat for lynches. Completely disagree with an OS lynch.


Raz's interaction with circus makes him very unlikely to be scum, he was far too willing to give the wagon an early push which made it gain traction.

Because it looks like fake contributing, remind said person they should answer it. I was not satisfied because you were not looking at active people and trying to figure out their alignment.

There is a point where your tunneling of Rajam is not needed and you should put focus elsewhere to see if people who are active are doing something worse, and or just as bad as you thought Rajam did.

Why you calling this out NOW? He's been doing this for most of the game, and xatres poked at this as well. With everything going on, why is this so important?

Especially considering that if he legitimately believes that Rajam is scum, why wouldn't he push?

No, I think YOU'RE trying to distract.

Adumbrodeus, do you think Inferno is leaking the "golly gee, that sure is lucky" tell or not? I can't quite tell. Don't know the player. The sentiment is pretty constant though.

It's essentially a fake contribution tell, i don't see him as a strong enough player for it to be a relevant tell.

My read stands, noobtown.

 

[Overswarm]

I see no reason why you wouldn't prefer a more educated response. You're every move strikes me as wrong, OS... :-/

Your*

And get out of la-la land.

Ever see this situation?

"Hey, you ready for the test tomorrow? What's the capital of Kentucky?"

"Yeah, I'm ready. I've been studying all day, haven't gotten that one yet though. You can quiz me later!"


Here's a question: has hat person studied at all? You don't know because he has given you no information whatsoever. If your entire goal is to discover whether or not he's been studying, you don't give him time to study before asking again.

You say "Oh that's cool, tell me what you do know". When he has nothing to respond with, you smack him upside the head for not studying.

But hey, since the cat is already out of the bag, here's some things we could have looked for in Raziek's response immediately:

Town reads that are incredibly common (i.e., no new information that could damn him later)
Plethora of "Gee, I just don't know about this guy" calls
Calls for a lynch on someone who is guaranteed town
Conflicting reads (calling Boat scum for being inactive, but not doing the same for JTB)

That sort of stuff.

All of those can make you look more deeply into him, and you can propose them against his changes as the game goes on. Even if he doesn't make obvious mistakes in one direction or another, he's posting reads he has to STICK to.

When there are scum, you make scum lie, and you make them lie often. The more they lie, the more they have to keep track of, the more often they slip up.

Step your game up, Xatres.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Why you calling this out NOW? He's been doing this for most of the game, and xatres poked at this as well. With everything going on, why is this so important?

Especially considering that if he legitimately believes that Rajam is scum, why wouldn't he push?

No, I think YOU'RE trying to distract.

I've been saying this about Raziek far before now. Try reading the game before you spout BS like this.

It's important because if he isn't focusing on actives trying to keep himself out of the pool, why shouldn't I look at it?

 

[Overswarm]

Disagree with Tery lynch. While Tery could be scum, there are stronger inactive candidates and Circus routinely suggested Tery as someone to kill, even attempting to move the lynch in his direction towards the end.

vote Boat

I can go with Boat or Xatres today.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I support a Xatres lynch.
I do not support an Overswarm lynch.
I support a JTB replacement.

Inferno, what do you think about Xatres and my conversation from yesterDay?

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

It's not cause he's inactive, we really don't like the Tery/circus interactions.

I've been saying this about Raziek far before now. Try reading the game before you spout BS like this.

It's important because if he isn't focusing on actives trying to keep himself out of the pool, why shouldn't I look at it?

Whether you were talking about it before is irrelevant, what matters is that it's irrelevant NOW.

 

[Overswarm]

Tery, your reads on everyone? Like Raziek's post please.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Whether you were talking about it before is irrelevant, what matters is that it's irrelevant NOW.

It is relevant if we're scum hunting. Why is he interesting in an inactive that much? Fake content.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

1. Inferno3044
2. JTB
3. Overswarm
4. Red Ryu (Leaning Mafia)
6. Analytical Buttheads
7. Rajam
8. Nicholas1024
9. Xatres (Confused Town)
10. Terywj
11. Raziek
12. Boatchouli
13. Frozenflame751

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Parathenticals is what I'm thinking about at the moment.

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

It is relevant if we're scum hunting. Why is he interesting in an inactive that much? Fake content.

Exactly, your content smells.


While it's possible that it might've produced a minor tell early on in the game, but at this point there are so many more fruitful areas, including asking raziek better questions.

I don't like it.

 

[Overswarm]

1. Inferno3044
2. JTB
3. Overswarm
4. Red Ryu (Leaning Mafia)
6. Analytical Buttheads
7. Rajam
8. Nicholas1024
9. Xatres (Confused Town)
10. Terywj
11. Raziek
12. Boatchouli
13. Frozenflame751

Yeah I'm gonna need a legend for this.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Green -> Town
Light Green -> Leaning Town
Yellow -> Null
Orange -> Leaning Mafia
Red -> Mafia

How come you never asked before? I've posted a full list during Day 1. XD

 

[Overswarm]

Why Xatres?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Exactly, your content smells.


While it's possible that it might've produced a minor tell early on in the game, but at this point there are so many more fruitful areas, including asking raziek better questions.

I don't like it.

I'd love to hear why. Please enlighten me!

 

[Terywj [태리]]

9. Xatres - Leaning Mafia
Support: Hm. I believe there's some of the absurd stuff Xatres has been posting. More exclusively, the argument versus Overswarm. Mainly, the information seemed unreliable and hashed. I really don't think using the so-called "scumslip" could be effectively used as part of a wagon at all (addressed in point #3) and the reason was trash to begin with. Furthermore you're just implying you wanted to use this slip from the very beginning and seems like a lack of effort on your end.

Xatres' recent postings haven't exactly lightened that idea either. (I.E. another case against you)

 

[Inferno3044]

I support a Xatres lynch.
I do not support an Overswarm lynch.
I support a JTB replacement.

Inferno, what do you think about Xatres and my conversation from yesterDay?

Although I don't agree with some of his points on OS, some of them make sense like asking the town for info and not saying why he's asking for. He has contributed a nice amount and he looks as if he has good intentions atm. He is leaning town for me.

 

[Overswarm]

Red Ryu and Inferno, your reads in a post just like Raziek or Tery's please.

 

[Inferno3044]

1. Inferno3044
2. JTB
3. Overswarm
4. Red Ryu
6. Analytical Buttheads
7. Rajam
8. Nicholas1024
9. Xatres
10. Terywj
11. Raziek
12. Boatchouli
13. Frozenflame751

I'm using the same color system as Tery.

@mod - request prod on JTB, Boat, and Rajam

 

[JTB]

Jesus christ, the thread hasn't even been open 12 hours and people are calling out inactives from toDay? Chill out the **** out, not everyone stays at home all day. This is mostly directed at tery and inferno.

I don't know when I'm finished with training today, I briefly skimmed new content on my dying phone. Of interest to me was xatres' case on OS, I plan on reviewing tht once I get home.

 

[Nicholas1024]

@Frozen
Where are you? Considering you're near-confirmed town at this point, don't you dare lurk on me.

I don't see OS scum being likely.

Raziek I think you are scum for you tunnel vision on a player who wasn't here for the most part. I don't care for Rajam scum right now unless it is clear the current players are not scum and an inactive is more likely.

In this case, I want you to explain how Raziek on Circus could have been a bus. I don't buy it. Not at all.

In case somebody mentions it again: Both of our heads acknowledge the fact that our playerslot is by no means cleared. For all we know the mafia could've been given fake town role PMs. The Gheb head finds it incredibly odd of somebody who is so obsessed with the game mechanics of each game like Overswarm to be so sloppy about this fact - a fact that is pretty much undeniable. He also encouraged other people to follow suit to adum's suspicions on Frozen but didn't demand any reasoning. I'm not really sure what to make of it, there are things that make me question scumOS atm.

You know, I feel so much better about your playerslot after this post.

Who said I wanted Raziek dead? I said I want you dead. Votes don't mean you want someone dead, not when it's one vote. If I hadn't voted, we wouldn't have had any of those posts from Raziek, who we all know very little about. Then I did, and lo and behold... information. As the game goes on it gets more and more important.

I see the logic (more or less a pressure vote), but why Raziek? There are definitely a lot of question marks in this game, but with his role on the Circus wagon, Raziek is not one of them.

I'd like to mention that it's entirely possible that there is no NKill whatsoever. As per usual when looking for indies, I generally focus on the first person to mention indy behavior. It's the most common slip out there, and it's more than enough to look into someone. Xatres has mentioned a "infecting someone with the Maverick virus" and X being an "Immune Reploid". It could very well be that this is a cultist game in line with the viruses present in the series, but why Xatres chose to think that town could infect mafia raises my eyebrows. Both of 'em.

Although the X series would work very well with the idea of maverick virus cult, the fact that the town is Maverick really puts a damper in that idea, IMO.

Your*

And get out of la-la land.

Ever see this situation?

"Hey, you ready for the test tomorrow? What's the capital of Kentucky?"

"Yeah, I'm ready. I've been studying all day, haven't gotten that one yet though. You can quiz me later!"


Here's a question: has hat person studied at all? You don't know because he has given you no information whatsoever. If your entire goal is to discover whether or not he's been studying, you don't give him time to study before asking again.

You say "Oh that's cool, tell me what you do know". When he has nothing to respond with, you smack him upside the head for not studying.

OS, here's the problem, due to the fact that this is forum mafia, there is no reason that Raziek/whoever couldn't have just looked back through the thread to "study" from, and there's no way you could prove otherwise. Additionally, if he wanted to change reads in the future, all he'd have to say is that something on the reread changed his mind and that would be that. (The fact that he got back to you in 20 minutes makes this less likely, but if he'd taken 3 hours, you couldn't prove whether he'd just been AFK or rereading.) Explain why outdated reads are better than current ones, please.

Anyway, some other questions for you.

Why do you think Xatres is scum?
Why are you so sure AB is confirmed town?
Why did you try to get people to blindly follow Adumb's scum read D1?

 

[Boatchouli]

@mod - request prod on JTB, Boat, and Rajam

 

[Boatchouli]

Why are you so sure AB is confirmed town?

 

[Boatchouli]

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