Megaman X: Day of Death. ~ EVERYBODY DIED. SCUM WINS. GAME OVER.

[Circus]

You were supposed to be part of the group I shifted over on hold. I realized this after I posted.

I am okay with placing my vote on Xatres for now.

Vote: Xatres

....

How are we not lynching you?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Do you only read a few of my posts at random or what?

 

[Circus]

I find ones that specifically make me facepalm and quote them.

 

[Gova]

1. Inferno3044 ()
2. JTB ()
3. Overswarm (2) Rajam, Boat
4. Red Ryu ()
5. Circus (4) Nich, Raziek, RR, Xatres
6. Analytical Buttheads ()
7. Rajam ()
8. Nicholas1024
9. Xatres (1) Tery
10. Terywj (1) Circus
11. Raziek ()
12. Boatchouli (2) Inferno, FF
13. Frozenflame751 (1) OS,


Not voting - JTB, AB

With 13 playing, it takes 7 to lynch!

Deadline is September 20th at 11:59 PM EST (GMT-5).

 

[Raziek]

Without context, that doesn't really help that much, Circus.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I find ones that specifically make me facepalm and quote them.

And you find my post containing actual elements to my disagreement with Xatres irrelevant?

A good lot of help that will do. "Oh yeah let's lynch Tery because this post makes me facepalm." You're starting to go downhill, man.

 

[Inferno3044]

@Tery - Xatres is not getting lynched today and you having your vote on him is not helping the town at all. I suggest you switch. Same goes with Rajam's vote on OS and OS's vote on Frozen. I see you online Rajam. Stop lurking.

@OS - Of all the times to not be online, you choose 2 hours before the deadline with no lynch has been established. Get online and contribute.

 

[Overswarm]

@OS - Of all the times to not be online, you choose 2 hours before the deadline with no lynch has been established. Get online and contribute.

Yeah, because I can hear you from the movie theater? You want to get on anybody for not contributing and I'm last in line, buddy.

vote: Circus

Two hours. Prolly won't hear much for me. Voting for most votes atm.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Ugh. Whatever. I'd suggest looking into that at another time. For now, I'll unvote and vote: Circus.

Rajam, you should either post or ask for a replacement ASAP.

 

[Circus]

Raz, I don't even really know what you're saying. I just think it's ridiculous that Tery is actually trying to get another completely new lynch candidate in the mix, and is apparently totally oblivious to why that is the opposite of helpful.

Tery hasn't done anything productive all game. His first several posts included lots of excuses and following stupid reads and fluff. This sums up pretty much everything he has done in this game until he eventually just stopped posting entirely. Then after being absent for four straight days, he comes back to the thread JUST to do this.

He has nothing to say about the validity of OS' case or AB's defense or who was following the wagon or anything like that. He just sees AB make a goof that confirms him as town and then points at it saying "mods, get him!" Now, the fact that AB did in fact apparently break the rules is irrelevant here. The point is to analyze the intent behind something like this. What is more likely? That Tery is chivalrous town, trying to enforce the rules despite the toll it takes on his faction? Or that Tery is scum trying to make sure a townie gets the axe by any means possible?

There's your case. Lynch this scum.

 

[Circus]

Ugh. Whatever. I'd suggest looking into that at another time. For now, I'll unvote and vote: Circus.

Rajam, you should either post or ask for a replacement ASAP.

Rajam already did ask for a replacement. You're not even paying attention.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Rajam already did ask for a replacement. You're not even paying attention.

If possible I'd like a replacement. I'll still play as long as I don't get replaced though, which means I'll play until I die or endgame if it comes to it, so it's not urgent. Sorry about the problems

Herpyderpyderp. IIRC, this should mean he should be art least playing until a replacement happens. Sheesh.

 

[Raziek]

Where the **** did everyone go?

Lynch Circus.

 

[Circus]

How the **** did I even get from not being considered for lynch at all to essentially the only doable lynch choice in, like, two hours?

 

[Overswarm]

Rajam, if you'd kindly hammer.

 

[Overswarm]

How the **** did I even get from not being considered for lynch at all to essentially the only doable lynch choice in, like, two hours?

Low management of your persona in a hectic environment?

 

[Nicholas1024]

Note: With OS and Tery voting, Circus is at L-1. You'd do well to claim now, Circus.

Are you kidding me? You might as well just say that you picked me completely arbitrarily. "OS is OS and the rest are noobs" are not good reasons for disqualification and you should know that.

Let me put it this way.

Vet A (who you have a town read on) starts a bad wagon.
Newbies B,C, and D join it.
Vet E (who you have a null read on) joins it over his other scumpicks.

Who would you investigate? (Note: You're Vet E, OS is Vet A, and the others are Newbies B,C, and D.)

You are also acting like you already know Frozen is town. Care to show me where that was established? Looks like you're trying to hold my vote on Frozen against me as if it's already clear that he flipped town. If you're trying to frame me, you're jumping the gun quite a bit.

I don't KNOW Frozen is town, per-se, but I do know that the wagon on him is horribly scummy (and in fact is the main reason why I hold him to be town.)

I've had my vote on Inferno for most of the game. His extra safe and sheepy play has been bothering me all game, and I've been pointing out examples of this as I see them, but a large portion of my time spent on this game has also gone toward trying to figure out OS and whether or not his reads were going to be things I would support or fight. OS made himself town mob leader pretty early on, and that naturally caused me to focus not only on people that I found scummy, but also on what common ground I could find with OS since I knew he would be leading the lynch later on regardless of my own reads.

So basically, you had your vote on Inferno, but never made a major push, since you figured OS would be the one in the limelight?

Also, your analysis that I was in favor of the AB wagon is simply false. You bolded one line out of that post that showed why I considered AB's lynch decent, but it was surrounded with reasons I had for doubting OS' read. I was willing to lynch AB because we were getting close to deadline, but I was still open to other avenues, which is why my vote didn't go on him. You're cherrypicking parts of my posts.

You were leaning towards it, and that's my point. Had AB not done that color claim mod thing, you would have voted him.

Nothing changed my mind about AB. I never found his play overly scummy, and his defense was convincing. The only things that really changed were my view of Frozen and my willingness to lynch AB. You are misreading me, or mischaracterizing me.

You don't have to buy the no lynch explanation, since that's not the explanation I gave. The no lynch simply factors into the way I'm manically vote hopping because I want a lynch, which means I'm much more willing to compromise and lynch people that I do not find ideal.

Riight. To the quote mobile, route #587!

And yes, I absolutely was/am piggybacking. Get over it. I made that post when we had less than 12 hours before deadline. I was and still am basically in "prevent no lynch" mode. You had 3 votes on you when I voted you, one being cleared AB and one being OS, the game's most vocal and forceful player all Day. Like it or not, your lynch was the one that was happening, and still probably is.

Also, this bit (same post) struck me as amusing.

Back when you voted AB, we may have actually had some time to find a better option. At this point, we hardly do. You plopped your vote on AB because you thought it would seal his fate as the lynch candidate, and now you're pissed that it backfired on you.

Replace AB with Frozen and that bears a surprising resemblance to my case against you. XD

The explanation that I actually gave for my vote on Frozen was how opportunistic his vote on AB looked, after being completely absent from the game for four straight days. I've already explained that pretty well, I think, if you've actually been reading my posts.

The case was good, Frozen had posted suspicion of AB before, the only suspicious thing was the timing. On the flip side, the case on Frozen was horrible, by your own admission you had him as null before, and the timing was the 3rd/4th vote to get the bandwagon actually rolling, which is quite opportunistic. So yeah, your vote is a LOT worse than his in just about every way.

I do not recall this Tery wagon you're talking about. Sure, people expressed distaste for Tery, but there was never a wagon from what I remember.

Taking another look, wagon was a bit strong (3 votes not counting you and a bunch of mild dislikes), but the main point still stands, he'd be an easy lynch to push, and considering he's your #1 scum pick, there's no reason for you not to have done it.

I voted for Frozen because he was looking like the only reasonable option after AB claimed since he had garnered the most votes and I found his jump on AB scummy. We were 12 hours away from deadline. I consider that serious crunch time. The fact that we're still arguing about this and bringing up new options 3-4 hours away from deadline is absolutely bananas to me.

This point is nullified by the fact that he was only at 2 votes (3 if you count AB). 2-3 votes does not a lynch make, pushing someone else as the play (especially an easy target like Tery) would have had a VERY good chance of overturning the Frozen wagon, particularly as it had no basis in actual scum tells.

I picked one thing to reply to at first. I logged on, saw a mountain of new posts to read, and decided to tackle it in pieces, starting with the easiest thing I could respond to.

And of course I was intent on pushing the Frozen lynch through. I was intent on pushing A lynch through, as opposed to not lynching.

The thing is neither explanation works for you. Based purely on scumminess, from your perspective a Tery lynch >> Frozen lynch. Based on probability of a lynch, the Frozen lynch was a little better than the Tery lynch before your vote. However, if your vote was mainly based on Frozen being a likelier lynch, that runs counter to your unvote shortly afterwards. Either way a townie explanation just doesn't work. As scum though, an opportunity to get rid of Frozen is huge, given how awesome he is when active.

I guess it depends on what you consider notable. I've been pushing them both all day, but my passion for it has been lacking until recently since we weren't in a ******** scramble for getting someone lynched toDay until right now. I will freely admit that most of my time has been spent trying to figure out how much I want to trust OS and how closely I'm willing to follow his reads.

Hm, fair enough. Reading OS was also a major point of emphasis (though I didn't show it much in posts) for much of the day with me as well.

Was there more to this? Looks like you forgot to finish writing something, because I don't follow.

Whoops. I meant that you said yourself that your vote on Frozen was (at least partially) meant to avoid a no-lynch, unvoting runs DIRECTLY contradictory to that train of thought.

Again. 12 hours to deadline. We needed (and still need) 7 players for a lynch. In that scenario, you COMPROMISE. Trying to flip to some other player that late in the Day is normally a good way to fall into a no lynch. And hey, look what's happening....

You don't need to compromise if the game is active, I think the wagon on you proves it.

I never pushed for a Tery lynch before because I just thought he was useless and that he should get vig'd. His post regarding AB's goof is what made me want him straight up dead for being scummy.

You'd mentioned him repeatedly as the #1 vig choice, so I have to assume that in absence of a notable scum pick he'd be a big lynch choice as well. (The other option you mentioned, Inferno is also an easy wagon, since he's a newbie and was viewed as null or worse by most players.)

What are you talking about? Everyone was following AB. Of course I count AB's vote; he hadn't lost his voting privileges yet. Frozen's wagon was very much the wagon that was rolling down the hill toward the lynch, and Tery's was not. I still found Frozen very scummy. I still do think that Frozen's vote on AB is very scummy. I could have tried to push the momentum toward Tery, but why should I do that if I think Frozen is scummy too?

Let's see, before your vote the only ones to follow AB were OS and Red Ryu. 2 players =/= everyone. (And since AB stood a good chance of being modkilled due to that slip, it's 50/50 whether his vote was going to count or not, really.) Sure, Frozen had more momentum, but it wasn't a huge difference, and Tery HAD made the "Broke a rule, modkill" comment by that point.

The only reason I'm on Tery now is because Frozen's wagon was losing steam anyway. I might as well push for who I really want. And also probably because Frozen's AtE worked on me a little bit.

Ignore ATE, scum and town use it.

I took my vote off Frozen so he would stop shrieking about the predicament he was in and I could get a better idea of what I wanted to try to do without him filling up the thread with AtE. I said I would be putting my vote back by deadline if I didn't feel like trying to pursue something else.

You realize stuff like that MAKES the wagon lose steam? This is the problem with the "Oh, but Frozen's wagon had more momentum" excuse, unvoting and dithering between two wagons is the kind of thing that CAUSES a no-lynch!

There is opportunistic and then there's doing what you have to do to make a lynch happen. Townies make concessions in order to keep the Day from ending in a no lynch and robbing town of information. If you had played or watched any game with me in the last few months, you would know that I am no exception to this. I'm on almost every lynch that happens in every game I'm in. Because I want to make sure it goes through, even if it's not my first choice for a lynch. Because seeing flips is CRUCIAL for town.

I'm on most lynches in my games as well, and I know how seeing flips is crucial, but the key is in seeing the RIGHT flips. What would you have learned from a Frozen town/scumflip?

 

[Overswarm]

When someone complains about votes on them, you vote more.

 

[Overswarm]

@mod request prod on everyone -_-;;


L-1.

Hammer circus someone.

 

[Circus]

Note: With OS and Tery voting, Circus is at L-1. You'd do well to claim now, Circus.

Velguarder, basically a Maverick VT.

And frankly, I do not even have the energy to crush all of your stupid and in some places downright hypocritical points with 6 votes on me and an hour left in the Day.

Hammer me. I welcome the release of death at this point.

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

Bah, circus lynch is dumb, he was far too willing to push against the case on me (who you now know is town). He has issues, but boat would be a much better lynch.

@AB - if you had a vote, who would you put it on?

Boat

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

Bah, too late it looks like now. Unless everyone on switched to a boat lynch no way it's getting enough traction.

 

[Xatres]

Back. Let's talk some flip results, since it seems like Circus is on his way out.

If Circus flips town, who on the wagon do we suspect?

If Circus flips scum, what interactions leading to the hammer do we view as distancing?

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Ninja'd nvm. Should I hammer?

 

[Rajam]

#209:

So, to be clear, you do or do not have some strong suspicion toward Inferno?

This seems like a loaded question to me, specially since almost everyone agreed that Inferno was just doing some fluff, but not in a scummy way. Also idk why were you "bullying" Nich with this question since at the end of this post you vote Inferno nonetheless...

I would consider basically anyone a better lynch than a no lynch. Though I'm going to tell you right now that you trying to set-up Ryker as the default fallback lynch this early in the game, based on pretty much nothing, is not rubbing me the right way about you at all. There are plenty of people I would have no problem falling back on before Ryker, and he would be a good choice for scum to try and get rid of early if he's town. If he's still alive by D3, then we can talk about lynching him. But until then, he's not the kind of person I just want to throw away on D1 if we don't someone better. We'll find someone better. I know you and Ryker have some out-of-game beef or something, and I'm hoping that's not what is informing your opinion of him here.

Why give Ryker time up to D3 if he continues playing like this? I got the impression that Nich wanted to pressure Ryker into contributing and stop doing the same crap he always does; Ryker never did anything useful. Randomly called a scum team, barely explaining. His points on OS couldn't be more vague, and after that, when called for clarification, the guy (actually, the two guys) disappeared forever

I think I want him to start playing soon, because I didn't even note that he was in this game until just recently.

I do not share your town read on Rajam. Can you point to what it is that gives you that read?

What kind of question is this? Weirdest form of buddying I think I've ever seen.

If there's scum between AB and OS, it's AB. The headbutting those two were doing earlier just looked like ego v. ego to me, but this random buddying from AB afterward feels really grimey.



At least one person on this wagon is being opportunistic.

Vote: Inferno

Tery can die. But that's a job for a vig, if anyone, the way I see it right now.

Post #268:

Ok, so...

*Looks at playerlist*

I like OS, Circus, and Nich.

Dislike Red Ryu. Abnormally low content level given his typical playstyle. Exchange with Ryker not necessarily indicative of any alignment, but interesting to note, given the amount of content produced by the two of them is essentially only that argument.

Dislike Boatchouli, but not willing to call them scum because I know how Ryker works. If this lasts into Day 3, he should die.

Why D3... Seriously they are two guys, how can it be that between them both they couldn't do a thing D1

Null on Analytical Buttheads. Intent to ensure that everyone posted during RVS seems pro-Town to me, but he's essentially been quiet since his exchange with OS, as OS himself has already pointed out.

Rajam, Xatres and Frozenflame have all made posts that don't sit well with me. Xatres needs to post more (oh the irony, coming from me), and Rajam needs to deliver a solid stance.

Actually, I like this direction:

Rajam, you've been strangely focused on OS. Let's look at the content of your posts:


You open with a pseudo-RVS vote on Overswarm, based solely on banter between he and AB.

Your next actual content post shows up here, when you bring up something that OS had posted long before the current discussion at hand.

ok for these two paragraphs above, not because my vote was in RVS, it was a worthless RVS-vote. All that time there was something about OS' response that was bugging me, like he was implying he knows AB isn't Mafia. Again, the intention fits what OS explained about that AB was kinda paranoid with OS' play; what was bothering me in the end (which I couldn't find in the beginning) was the wording OS chose, because it seemed he skipped the "evaluation" step (is this town-paranoid AB or scum AB painting a target?) and just pick town-afraid AB.

In the same post, you address Xatres in a very passive-agressive manner. This feels to me like you're trying to make him fear you a little bit, which comes up again in a moment.

Just exposed a point: Xatres showed himself indecisive and insecure, plus the weird use of the word "interesting" as I explained, which makes it seem like he found something scummy but he really didn't.

This isn't a freudian slip, this is you trying to paint a big target on OS here. If OS is Town, he could just as easily think Adum is after him because of his normal scum play. His comment isn't indicative of his alignment, and you really can't draw anything from it other than WIFOM.

See above. The wording OS chose was the thing that was bothering me, because it indicates he only chose the route "AB is afraid", and ignored the route "AB is putting a target on me". Also I don't buy OS got a town read from AB from a single picture-post, specially also because OS was voting against AB later pretty soon.

These two posts sent up HUGE red flags.

Once again you're drawn back to Xatres. And I find it interesting that you choose to FoS him here. It's a convenient way to draw attention to him without actually starting a wagon on him.

*facepalm* under this statement every single FoS in every Mafia is suspicious because you're not casting a vote, and hence you're not joining or starting a wagon. My vote was in OS because I still find him more suspicious, but I also find Xatres suspicious.

This is further compounded by you asking him what he thinks of your "case" (lol) on Overswarm. This reads to me like you're trying to buy a relatively "new" player into your case.

I find them both suspicious and this is why I asked one about the other.

Then right after that, you're trying to get hyper-aggro Nich onto a policy lynch on Ryker?

Why are you pushing against my attempts to create reads and pressure? Nich was anyways the first in mentioning lynching Ryker due to his playstyle and lack of contribution, and I couldn't agree more.

Your play smells, Rajam.

vote: Rajam

______________________________________

After reading some more I like less Circus, JTB and Red Ryu. Circus as a result from the post I quoted above, and JTB and Red Ryu because they were up to nothing. Terywj leaning slightly town.

unvote
vote: Boatchouli

 

[Rajam]

unvote
vote: Circus

 

[Raziek]

About ****ing time.

 

[Boatchouli]

post to avoid modkill.

I'll be in toMorrow. Sorry for the inactivity.

 

[Xatres]

That was the hammer, yes?

 

[Xatres]

post to avoid modkill.

I'll be in toMorrow. Sorry for the inactivity.

Wow, nice job showing up right after the hammer. Convenient, much?

 

[Gova]

1. Inferno3044 ()
2. JTB ()
3. Overswarm (1) Boat
4. Red Ryu ()
5. Circus (7) Nich, Raziek, RR, Xatres, Tery, OS, Rajam
6. Analytical Buttheads ()
7. Rajam ()
8. Nicholas1024
9. Xatres ()
10. Terywj (1) Circus
11. Raziek ()
12. Boatchouli (2) Inferno, FF
13. Frozenflame751 ()

Not voting - JTB, AB

With 13 playing, it takes 7 to lynch!

Circus has been lynched! The game is in twilight until further notice.

 

[Raziek]

To be fair, he was playing Monster Hunter with me. ._.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Back. Let's talk some flip results, since it seems like Circus is on his way out.

If Circus flips town, who on the wagon do we suspect?

If Circus flips scum, what interactions leading to the hammer do we view as distancing?

A Circus scum flip would be a huge town tell on Frozen as well as a good town tell on anyone who defended him, and it'd cause me to look more closely at others on Frozen's wagon (as that's the main point against Circus.) A town flip... well, I suppose it'd be town points for people that defended him, and I'd have to take a look at other people on his (Circus's) wagon.

 

[Nicholas1024]

To be fair, he was playing Monster Hunter with me. ._.

You had contact with him and didn't tell him to get to the blasted thread?!?

 

[Raziek]

I did. He wanted to kill a Rathian first, and hasn't actually read anything. Blame him for procrastinating everything.

 

[Circus]

Huh. Weird how much of a weight off my shoulders that feels.

Good job, Nich.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Anyway, PR directs:

Vig Boat, though Tery's a decent pick (moreso if Circus flips town).

Doc on Frozen/OS (Definitely Frozen if Circus flips scum).

 

[Gova]

You had contact with him and didn't tell him to get to the blasted thread?!?

Actually, I was the one prodding him.

 

[Nicholas1024]

No hard feelings, Circus. (I did feel kinda bad swinging the lynch around on you so close to the deadline, I know how frustrating it is to be suddenly suspected out of nowhere.)

 

[Rajam]

Huh. Weird how much of a weight off my shoulders that feels.

Good job, Nich.

Are you scum?

If not any last words/reads?