Megaman X: Day of Death. ~ EVERYBODY DIED. SCUM WINS. GAME OVER.

[Shadow Moth]

I dunno why people think of Ryker's hydras as just Ryker. I did pretty much all the posting in TTGL mafia.

 

[Raziek]

Because Ryker is loud and obnoxious.

 

[Boatchouli]

I dunno why people think of Ryker's hydras as just Ryker. I did pretty much all the posting in TTGL mafia.

Just woke up johns.

 

[Overswarm]

While possible it's unlikely that raziek would be willing let alone capable of doing it non-transparently.

If you have evidence that it was a bus, feel free to present it, but I don't buy it, and I'm currently very comfortable with the slot.

Know what the difference is between "knowing what someone's thinking and thinking they are town" and "thinking they are town" is?

One of them has a base that can be reinterpreted later!

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Special mod notes:

Ill be home this weekend, ill be sure to put up some votecounts.

Do you guys notice the protomen references yet? If not, then you suck and need to listen to them, mod orders.

 

[Gova]

1. Inferno3044 ()
2. JTB (1) Tery
3. Overswarm (1) Xatres,
4. Red Ryu ()
6. Analytical Buttheads ()
7. Rajam ()
8. Nicholas1024
9. Xatres (1) JTB
10. Terywj ()
11. Raziek (1) Boat
12. Boatchouli (3) RR, OS, Raziek
13. Frozenflame751 ()

Not voting - Inferno, AB, Rajam, Nich, FF

With 12 playing, it takes 7 to lynch!

Deadline is September 30th at 11:59 PM EST (GMT-5).

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Gova, if you did that just to one-up me, it worked.

 

[Analytical Buttheads]

Know what the difference is between "knowing what someone's thinking and thinking they are town" and "thinking they are town" is?

One of them has a base that can be reinterpreted later!

And that's the reason why I didn't oppose your efforts earlier.

But enough, it's very unlikely he's scum and plenty of information has been gleaned about him that can be used for a retrospective if he starts to look scummy.

But there are better targets, RR and boat both need a ton of attention and pushing so hard against raz is just distracting.

 

[Overswarm]

"pushing so hard"? Do explain.

 

[Raziek]

Ok, so here's what I found "quote-worthy".

So, to be clear, you do or do not have some strong suspicion toward Inferno?

I would consider basically anyone a better lynch than a no lynch. Though I'm going to tell you right now that you trying to set-up Ryker as the default fallback lynch this early in the game, based on pretty much nothing, is not rubbing me the right way about you at all. There are plenty of people I would have no problem falling back on before Ryker, and he would be a good choice for scum to try and get rid of early if he's town. If he's still alive by D3, then we can talk about lynching him. But until then, he's not the kind of person I just want to throw away on D1 if we don't someone better. We'll find someone better. I know you and Ryker have some out-of-game beef or something, and I'm hoping that's not what is informing your opinion of him here.

I think I want him to start playing soon, because I didn't even note that he was in this game until just recently.

Unusual amount of defense of Boat.

Why not JTB or Xartes or Tery or *glances at player list* Raziek (he's in this game?) if that's the case? So far, I would assume all of them to be similarly useless this game. But I also wouldn't really consider any of them a threat to scum, where as Ryker could be. That's why this is bothering me. Would you not consider Rykertown to be an asset if we have him?
Yes, I think Ryker's just being Ryker. He's always antagonistic; it's not a scumtell. I know nothing about Moth. I may be projecting too much, but I consider attacks on things like Ryker's pic posting and "emotional" responses and antagonistic style to be fishy, because they remind me of myself in Super Heroes. It doesn't take much effort to point at a player with a playstyle that people don't like and try to turn town against them purely on that basis. All the better if it's a player that is good at finding scum. And then, when he's dead, you can just say "well, we're better off without having to worry about him anyway."

Even more Boat defense.

Well, holy ****. OS, I'd be lying if I said I actually expected you to indulge me with a laid out case. The effort is pretty impressive. I still think you're reaching in places though—particularly with your graphs (what exactly are they meant to show? Just general discrepancies between actions?), your analysis of Gheb/Adum's scum picks (you said yourself that Adum has been playing most of the game. It makes sense that we would be aware of his picks and that Gheb's would be more of a surprise when they were presented) and the post that you call "the one that damned him" (I was close to making a similar post toward you myself). And Gheb's aggression? Not a scum tell for him.

I admire the work that went into presenting all this, and I see the clues you're pointing to regarding deflection and the way AB has remained very present throughout the Day but has done little in the way of any actual action, but the confidence just doesn't match the evidence for me. You seem so certain he's scum and I'm just not there with you. I see how he's a decent play. I just don't see how he's THE play.

AB, you should probably claim as soon as possible. Deadline's a day away, and you're wagon's the one that's rolling downhill now.

If AB does flip scum, I'm looking at you hard.

This kind of post makes me worry about AB a bit.

I'd rather have Boat's slot replaced.

Tery is outright scummy to me at this point.

HUUUARGH.

AB, here's what I was going to post before Soup froze the game when you asked for scum picks.

Without seeing Frozen's flip, Tery and Inferno are my biggest active scum reads. Tery's newbie in general, and I was pretty okay with just letting him get vigged on that alone, but he smells specifically newbscum to me at this point. His posts have been pretty sparse, and when they do come they're about nothing or they have anti-town uses. Almost all of the posts he has made this game so far have been complaining about the fact that he has to read the thread or fluff posts dressed up as useful "commentary." Coming out of the shadows after four days of complete silence to point at AB and cry "rule breaker!" once he claimed is terribad. Town has no incentive to do something like that; scum does.

Inferno's been playing every side of every argument this whole game. He's been following the herd on every single issue brought up throughout the Day, especially when OS has been leading it (which has been most of the time), only to turn when the tide meets any amount of resistence ("Hey, you're right, why does OS want to know that? No I'm suspicious too!"). I don't think I've seen him give an honest, free-thinking opinion on anything all game. He asks other people what his opinion should be. And when he does seem like he's about to start pressuring someone of his own volition, he backs off immediately as long as he gets some kind of response from them. He's working hard not to be on anyone's bad side.

I have a few second tier picks and people who mostly make sense based on other players' flips, but I won't list them as that would effectively out my town reads.

1. Inferno3044
2. JTB
3. Overswarm
4. Red Ryu
6. Analytical Buttheads (Gheb_01/adumbrodeus)
7. Rajam
8. Nicholas1024
9. Xatres
10. Terywj
11. Raziek
12. Boatchouli (Ryker/Moth)
13. Frozenflame751

Pink are inactives.
Blue Town.
Teal leaning Town.
Yellow is Null.
Orange slight scum.

This is pre-re-read, of course.

UPDATED LIST

1. Inferno3044
2. JTB
3. Overswarm
4. Red Ryu
6. Analytical Buttheads (Gheb_01/adumbrodeus)
7. Rajam
8. Nicholas1024
9. Xatres
10. Terywj
11. Raziek
12. Boatchouli (Ryker/Moth)
13. Frozenflame751

I'm primarily considering Circus' play BEFORE his lynch became obvious, but after AB's became NOT the play.

Circus repeatedly tried to swing AWAY from Boat and towards Tery and Inferno, even going so far as to say that Boat should be REPLACED, rather than killed.

Call it simplistic, but given Circus' pre-death play, and Boat's recently play, I'm calling it like I see it. Boat needs to die.

unvote; vote: Boatchouli

 

[Overswarm]

I've had similar thoughts Raziek, but I'm havinga really hard time believing he'd leave such a plain trail for us. I guess it is possible since Circus' death came as a surprise to him though.

I'm fine with the day ending on a Boat lynch if it comes to it. He's got so few connections it'd be a win for town anyway. Assuming town flounders and someone flies under the radar, I wouldn't want Boat in lylo and given the number situation we're in right now it's not a bad play.

 

[Boatchouli]

It's clear that Circus was setting me up for lynch upon a scum flip. There's no reason not to defend a townie like he did as scum. If he gets lynched that townie is more likely to be lynched. If the townie gets lynched anyway he gets town points.

As he has already FLIPPED SCUM his defense on me should be taken as wifom meant to confuse town.

 

[Raziek]

Not true. Much of what I quoted was from very early in the game, when people were tossing around the idea of lynching your slot due to inactivity. The rest was BEFORE it became apparent he was going to be lynched.

Everything I quoted is in chronological order, and at the time of the last post I quoted:

AB, here's what I was going to post before Soup froze the game when you asked for scum picks.

Without seeing Frozen's flip, Tery and Inferno are my biggest active scum reads. Tery's newbie in general, and I was pretty okay with just letting him get vigged on that alone, but he smells specifically newbscum to me at this point. His posts have been pretty sparse, and when they do come they're about nothing or they have anti-town uses. Almost all of the posts he has made this game so far have been complaining about the fact that he has to read the thread or fluff posts dressed up as useful "commentary." Coming out of the shadows after four days of complete silence to point at AB and cry "rule breaker!" once he claimed is terribad. Town has no incentive to do something like that; scum does.

Inferno's been playing every side of every argument this whole game. He's been following the herd on every single issue brought up throughout the Day, especially when OS has been leading it (which has been most of the time), only to turn when the tide meets any amount of resistence ("Hey, you're right, why does OS want to know that? No I'm suspicious too!"). I don't think I've seen him give an honest, free-thinking opinion on anything all game. He asks other people what his opinion should be. And when he does seem like he's about to start pressuring someone of his own volition, he backs off immediately as long as he gets some kind of response from them. He's working hard not to be on anyone's bad side.

I have a few second tier picks and people who mostly make sense based on other players' flips, but I won't list them as that would effectively out my town reads.

Frozenflame was the lynch. Circus brings up both Inferno and Tery, mentions nothing of your slot. At this point we'd already flipped away from AB, and FF looked like a sure thing. Why wouldn't he push you instead of Inferno or Tery, if you were Town?

His lynch wasn't even ON THE TABLE at this point. That post was post 580.

Post 601 he votes Tery and says he's going to eat dinner.

Nich's case and FIRST MAJOR PRESSURE on Circus occurs at 627.

After Circus finally returns he blasts Tery and Inferno as hard as he possibly can, not a SINGLE mention of your name.

Not buying it, Boat.

You're scum.

 

[Overswarm]

That could be said for all things, Boat.

Fact of the matter is, Circus defending you would be probably the dumbest thing scum could do to try to get a townie killed. Of all the people in this game he could have chosen, he chooses someone town would have killed anyway? That's pretty weak, so if Circus did that intentionally he's either drastically over valuing you as a player or his scum game needs some work.

If you'd like to go back and prove that Circus' defense of you was done within the mindset of his flip, feel free, because Circus wasn't aware he'd be flipping anytime soon at all.

 

[Raziek]

Get ninja'd OS.

 

[Overswarm]

Whaaatever.

 

[Raziek]

It's all gravy, you brought up some stuff that I didn't. I was mostly after the timing, less so the motivation.

 

[Boatchouli]

You guys clearly didn't read the part where I said it would benefit scum regardless of which one gets lynched.
When he gets lynched I only look worse, when I get lynched he gets town cred.

Is there some part of this you have trouble understanding?

 

[Raziek]

You guys clearly didn't read the part where I said it would benefit scum regardless of which one gets lynched.
When he gets lynched I only look worse, when I get lynched he gets town cred.

Is there some part of this you have trouble understanding?

Bulllllll****.

Circus doesn't get credit for flailing a wagon onto a Townie, and if you'd flipped Town he probably would have been lynched ANYWAY.

If he tried to get you lynched, he's robbing his scummates of an easy mislynch later. That's why he pushed for Inferno or Tery, not you.

 

[Shadow Moth]

If he tried to get you lynched, he's robbing his scummates of an easy mislynch later. That's why he pushed for Inferno or Tery, not you.

Scumslip?

And what about you, Raziek? You were setting me up for a lynch yourself.
Something about lynch boat on D3 if he's still around?

 

[Boatchouli]

Scumslip?

And what about you, Raziek? You were setting me up for a lynch yourself.
Something about lynch boat on D3 if he's still around?

derpin it up like a moth

 

[Raziek]

Scumslip?

And what about you, Raziek? You were setting me up for a lynch yourself.
Something about lynch boat on D3 if he's still around?

How is that a scumslip?

Here's a challenge for you: Name someone in this game who HASN'T at some point said "Yeah, I'll lynch Boat."

 

[Raziek]

Pro-tip: Inactives like JTB and Rajam don't count. Even though I'm pretty sure even Rajam voted for you by the end, then hammered Circus anyway.

 

[Boatchouli]

It's a scumslip because you called me a mislynch but I'm not dumb enough to push you for that.

And it's not just about saying "Yeah I'll lynch boat," it's about saying "If boat is still here at Day X then we need to policy lynch him."

Besides, the reason for my scumminess before was my inactivity and ryker's picture posting right? I don't see either of those now.

 

[Raziek]

You guys clearly didn't read the part where I said it would benefit scum regardless of which one gets lynched.

Situation you established.

Scum Circus. Town Boatchouli.

Scum Circus does not benefit from lynching Town Boatchouli under any circumstance.

If you are lynched and INDEED would flip Town (which Circus would know), then Circus would again immediately be under pressure for his last minute deflection, and the already extremely solid case on him.

If you are lynched and flip scum, he's going for a bus on someone Town was going to lynch anyway.

He has no motivation to push you. He is scum. He's trying not to get lynched. He flails around pointing at Inferno and Tery, two reasonably active, but somewhat questionable townies. (Moreso Tery, at the time)

Bulllllll****.

Circus doesn't get credit for flailing a wagon onto a Townie, and if you'd flipped Town he probably would have been lynched ANYWAY.

If he tried to get you lynched, he's robbing his scummates of an easy mislynch later. That's why he pushed for Inferno or Tery, not you.

As I already responded, it would be bad scumplay for him to try to lynch you whether you're Town or Scum. You're a big question mark, and Town has discussed your lynch all game.

It's a scumslip because you called me a mislynch but I'm not dumb enough to push you for that.

And it's not just about saying "Yeah I'll lynch boat," it's about saying "If boat is still here at Day X then we need to policy lynch him."

Besides, the reason for my scumminess before was my inactivity and ryker's picture posting right? I don't see either of those now.

Quote where I said that.

I mentioned nothing about your Day 1 play. I said quite clearly:

I'm primarily considering Circus' play BEFORE his lynch became obvious, but after AB's became NOT the play.

Circus repeatedly tried to swing AWAY from Boat and towards Tery and Inferno, even going so far as to say that Boat should be REPLACED, rather than killed.

Call it simplistic, but given Circus' pre-death play, and Boat's recently play, I'm calling it like I see it. Boat needs to die.

unvote; vote: Boatchouli

Besides, you came in with a vote on me, of all people. Given the events of yesterday's lynch, how is THAT pro-Town, pray tell?

 

[Raziek]

Yo Nich, I see you reading. Thoughts?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

While possible it's unlikely that raziek would be willing let alone capable of doing it non-transparently.

If you have evidence that it was a bus, feel free to present it, but I don't buy it, and I'm currently very comfortable with the slot.

 

[Inferno3044]

It's a scumslip because you called me a mislynch but I'm not dumb enough to push you for that.

And it's not just about saying "Yeah I'll lynch boat," it's about saying "If boat is still here at Day X then we need to policy lynch him."

Besides, the reason for my scumminess before was my inactivity and ryker's picture posting right? I don't see either of those now.

Picture Unrelated

http://www.smashboards.com/member.php?u=72031

I wouldn't call this no picture posting. Who would you make today's play?

 

[Raziek]

Inferno, current thoughts on Boat please. Concise, if possible.

 

[Overswarm]

Inferno, you ever gonna step out of your comfort zone?

 

[Inferno3044]

Inferno, current thoughts on Boat please. Concise, if possible.

Still a fine lynch choice.

 

[Raziek]

Uhh, a little less concise than that, lmao.

Elaborate a bit, just don't write a page on me.

 

[Boatchouli]

Situation you established.

Scum Circus. Town Boatchouli.

Scum Circus does not benefit from lynching Town Boatchouli under any circumstance.

If you are lynched and INDEED would flip Town (which Circus would know), then Circus would again immediately be under pressure for his last minute deflection, and the already extremely solid case on him.

If you are lynched and flip scum, he's going for a bus on someone Town was going to lynch anyway.

He has no motivation to push you. He is scum. He's trying not to get lynched. He flails around pointing at Inferno and Tery, two reasonably active, but somewhat questionable townies. (Moreso Tery, at the time)


As I already responded, it would be bad scumplay for him to try to lynch you whether you're Town or Scum. You're a big question mark, and Town has discussed your lynch all game.

What the hell are you saying? Circus was defending me and now you're trying to make it look like he was bussing me? I've already established why his defense on me would be good for scum no matter which one of us had flipped D1. I can't speak for him but if I were scum D1 doing what he did, I would have done it because the pressure on boat looked ready to fall apart if boat's activity picked up.

Quote where I said that.

I mentioned nothing about your Day 1 play.

You said that D1.

Dislike Boatchouli, but not willing to call them scum because I know how Ryker works. If this lasts into Day 3, he should die.

This is setting us up for a policy lynch D3. Ryker has every reason to keep playing the way he's playing with my activity as it is. And without my activity he would be lazy and keep posing pictures anyway.

And if you're not talking about my D1 play then what the hell ARE you talking about? The vast majority of my D2 play has been this back and forth with you. Point out specifically what posts (from D2 only) that you think point me out as scum.
If you can't point out enough posts I'll take your case as dumb scum OMGUS.

Besides, you came in with a vote on me, of all people. Given the events of yesterday's lynch, how is THAT pro-Town, pray tell?

Oh that's easy. Because you're scum.

 

[Boatchouli]

oh wow super ninja'd

 

[Boatchouli]

I wouldn't call this no picture posting. Who would you make today's play?

If you haven't figured it out by now, I want Raziek dead toDay.

And like I said before I have no control over Ryker's sporadic posting beyond simply replacing him out of the slot. My contact with him is rather limited.

 

[Boatchouli]

People who can't seem to get any meaning from all but one of those pictures should probably quit playing a game that revolves around your powers of observation.

~Ryker

 

[Overswarm]

People who can't seem to get any meaning from all but one of those pictures should probably quit playing a game that revolves around your powers of observation.

~Ryker

Big boys use words.

~Overswarm

 

[Boatchouli]

Big boys use words.

~Overswarm

 

[Raziek]

Raziek could easily be scum. I don't really get what people are saying about Raziek lifting the Circus case off the ground; he hopped on with no more given reasoning than "Sure whatever." The one who got the lynch happening was solely Nich. Completely and entirely his original case.
game anyways.

Raziek has been following other people this whole game and generally trying to blend in. I don't like him at all. I've stated why I don't think AB should be considered confirmed town and I find his play extremely anti-town.

Rajam is leaning town purely on the premise that Raziek is scum. If my read on Raziek were to be revised, so would my read on Rajam. The same may or may not apply in reverse depending on the situation.

In conclusion: Vote: Raziek

Ok, seriously, this is starting to piss me off.

First of all, I very much DID help get the Circus wagon off the ground. You know what likely would have happened had I not been on it? People would have dismissed Nich as the crazy rambler JUST LIKE IN TIME TRAVELLERS WHEN HE HAD NABE PINNED.

Inferno, Red Ryu, and AB were ALL saying "Boat or Tery". If I hadn't helped that wagon pick up steam, it wouldn't have gone anywhere.

SECOND, my reasoning for jumping the wagon was not "Sure, whatever". I read Nich's case in full, asked him if he felt it was worth lynching him over Boat, THEN got on the wagon. I accepted his case as legitimate. That doesn't mean I have to make a big-*** post detailing every single reason I agreed with it.

Especially since "Sure, whatever" was the reasoning MOST people gave for jumping that wagon, including OS who basically just said, "This wagon has the most votes."

Give examples of how I'm apparently blending. Keep in mind I didn't join this game till mid-way through the day, and as soon as I did, I started tunneling RAJAM, someone NOBODY else was after. How is THAT blending?

This post is absolute BS.

unvote; vote: Boatchouli.

Man, I feel vindicated with Circus's scum flip.

Anyway...

@OS
I see a lot of analysis about Circus and Tery, but there is nothing about Raziek in that post, despite you placing a vote on him. I'm not buying Raziek scum, he was the second vote on the Circus wagon (early votes are HUGE in getting a wagon going), and his analysis has felt townie to me all game. Explain yourself, and while you're at it I'd like to see an explanation of why you were encouraging people to blindly follow AB. That Frozen vote was the main point in my case against Circus.

One more question... why is AB confirmed town? Is there any reason the whole color deal couldn't have been from a scum safe claim or even a completely made up one? I don't feel comfortable having AB cleared on something like that unless there's 100% positive proof he can't be scum.

Raz's interaction with circus makes him very unlikely to be scum, he was far too willing to give the wagon an early push which made it gain traction.

1. Inferno3044
2. JTB
3. Overswarm
4. Red Ryu
6. Analytical Buttheads
7. Rajam
8. Nicholas1024
9. Xatres
10. Terywj
11. Raziek
12. Boatchouli
13. Frozenflame751



You are right, I reread to make sure. He wasn't busing even if it was one post, and he could have went other directions and not Circus if he was his scummate.

I'll retract my read on him.

OS, if Xatres was scum, do you really think he'd be trying to push a lynch on YOU?

That's about as smart as scum openly antagonizing me. I'm not buying it. Additionally, his Circus vote counts against him being mafia.

Also, if Raziek is scum, why on earth would he have made the second vote on Circus and helped the wagon gain traction? Again, not buying it.

If you haven't figured it out by now, I want Raziek dead toDay.

And like I said before I have no control over Ryker's sporadic posting beyond simply replacing him out of the slot. My contact with him is rather limited.

So most of the active players in this game think I'm Town, and you think you're going to lynch me?

 

[Raziek]

Upon re-examination of my quotes, only AB, Nich and Ryu outright said they don't think I'm scum (or have me as null), but you're the ONLY one who thinks I'm scum.