Megaman X: Day of Death. ~ EVERYBODY DIED. SCUM WINS. GAME OVER.

[Terywj [태리]]

Uhhhhhh okay guy.

 

[Nicholas1024]

You know what?

Unvote, Vote: Boat

There's no reason not to lynch that slot today, between Ryker being ******** and Moth thinking Raziek of all people is a good lynch (I mean, seriously?), plus the way Circus was consistently going "No, don't lynch/vig Boat, replace him" in the period before his lynch feels telling. (Sure, it could have been defending a townie for misdirection purposes, but Boat was being nominated as a vigilante shot consistently, and Circus was nominating Tery/Inferno instead and saying Boat needed to replace. Coincidence?)

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

tl;dr Nich has no ammo.

You're still town, but you won't be lynching me just because you don't like me.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Ryker, trust me. If I could get Circus lynched in 6 hours, I can get you lynched in 6 days easily. I just don't need to make a huge case because the case against you is more or less obvious.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Large difference, you were right. Not only there, Circus wasn't there to fight back and you had deadline on your side. Good luck bro. You don't have a huge case because you don't have any case. If I successfully get you to back down here, will you vote Raziek?

 

[Nicholas1024]

It's win win for me regardless, Ryker. You won't be able to fight back with just pictures, I'm sure.
I've already gotten more in the way of coherent sentence out of you than you'd previously posted all game.


And regarding Raziek, not a chance Ryker, you don't have a case on him. You'd have to prove a reasonable possibility of him bussing Circus before I'd consider it. At the moment you just have vague cliches.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Large difference, you were right. Not only there, Circus wasn't there to fight back and you had deadline on your side. Good luck bro. You don't have a huge case because you don't have any case. If I successfully get you to back down here, will you vote Raziek?

I disagree. Circus had the opportunity to fight back, but he squandered it wasting time trying to pick me off.

 

[Gova]

1. Inferno3044 ()
2. JTB (1) Tery
3. Overswarm (1) Xatres
4. Red Ryu ()
6. Analytical Buttheads ()
7. Rajam ()
8. Nicholas1024
9. Xatres (1) JTB
10. Terywj ()
11. Raziek (1) Boat
12. Boatchouli (4) RR, OS, Raziek, Nich
13. Frozenflame751 ()

Not voting - Inferno, AB, Rajam, FF

With 12 playing, it takes 7 to lynch!

Deadline is September 30th at 11:59 PM EST (GMT-5).

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Oh, right. Unvote

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Don't hurt your arm patting yourself on the back, Nich. I'd already been posting sentences before you showed up, so please don't try and play it off that way.

I had Raz as town for the same reasons until I actually looked at it. He's a scummy ******* and aside from being vote two on the Circus wagon, he has no saving grace. Now let's examine that vote, shall we? He's the second vote on a deadline new wagon that looks certain to be a stall that will push toward No Lynch. Contrary to what he says, he never actually pushed Circus. His only contribution was his vote. Go back to the wagon and tell me what in it couldn't possibly be a bus. Go back in the day and tell me what else Raziek did that was town.

Now, come at me with either an air tight case or an apology for letting personal feelings get in the way of your ability to scum hunt.

 

[Boatchouli]

You know what?

Unvote, Vote: Boat

There's no reason not to lynch that slot today, between Ryker being ******** and Moth thinking Raziek of all people is a good lynch (I mean, seriously?), plus the way Circus was consistently going "No, don't lynch/vig Boat, replace him" in the period before his lynch feels telling. (Sure, it could have been defending a townie for misdirection purposes, but Boat was being nominated as a vigilante shot consistently, and Circus was nominating Tery/Inferno instead and saying Boat needed to replace. Coincidence?)

Directly refute my case and I'll briefly consider taking my vote off him.
I've already said why what Circus said is WIFOM. No one has yet told me why it isn't (that's an invitation).
Point out who other than you nominated us for a vig shot.
Why is Circus trying to draw attention from himself onto Tery/Inferno a point against me?

 

[Inferno3044]

@OS- I agree that tery's post reeks but im not sure if its bad town or bad scum.

@ryker- you wanna show a legitimate case on raziek and why you shouldn't be the lynch?

 

[Boatchouli]

@ryker- you wanna show a legitimate case on raziek and why you shouldn't be the lynch?

How about you actually read the game. I already did both of those.


In other news my updated read on JTB is inactive null leaning town.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Circus / Boat / Tery scumteam imo. If that's not it Ryu is probably the play.

 

[Raziek]

I'll be around tonight, but will be V/LA all of tomorrow for a tournament.

In other news: Boatchouli still scummy as hell. Tery, why u make me want to re-evaluate your slot? It's like you're trying to squander the defense Circus gave you by attacking you pre-lynch.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Don't hurt your arm patting yourself on the back, Nich. I'd already been posting sentences before you showed up, so please don't try and play it off that way.

I had Raz as town for the same reasons until I actually looked at it. He's a scummy ******* and aside from being vote two on the Circus wagon, he has no saving grace. Now let's examine that vote, shall we? He's the second vote on a deadline new wagon that looks certain to be a stall that will push toward No Lynch. Contrary to what he says, he never actually pushed Circus. His only contribution was his vote. Go back to the wagon and tell me what in it couldn't possibly be a bus. Go back in the day and tell me what else Raziek did that was town.

Now, come at me with either an air tight case or an apology for letting personal feelings get in the way of your ability to scum hunt.

Alright, if that's the way you want to play it Ryker, let's play.

First off, I'm amused at how you're trying to play "Oh, Nick's so crazy, Raziek's obi scum and I'm obi town" when just looking at the vote count tells you otherwise.

11. Raziek (1) Boat
12. Boatchouli (4) RR, OS, Raziek, Nich

Now to the actual case.

So, to be clear, you do or do not have some strong suspicion toward Inferno?

I would consider basically anyone a better lynch than a no lynch. Though I'm going to tell you right now that you trying to set-up Ryker as the default fallback lynch this early in the game, based on pretty much nothing, is not rubbing me the right way about you at all. There are plenty of people I would have no problem falling back on before Ryker, and he would be a good choice for scum to try and get rid of early if he's town. If he's still alive by D3, then we can talk about lynching him. But until then, he's not the kind of person I just want to throw away on D1 if we don't someone better. We'll find someone better. I know you and Ryker have some out-of-game beef or something, and I'm hoping that's not what is informing your opinion of him here.


At least one person on this [Boat's] wagon is being opportunistic.

Vote: Inferno

Tery can die. But that's a job for a vig, if anyone, the way I see it right now.

Oh look, Circus thinks me setting you up as a good fallback lynch is scummy, and says that at least one person on your wagon is opportunistic. (This is really early game as well)

I attribute your initial wagon almost entirely to people being in RVS mode. The Boat wagon seems to have formed very suddenly, and with no reason given that I find worthwhile. It's possible that there were also opportunistic people on your wagon, but Boat's feels more telling. Four people are on that wagon, and they all seem to think they have a decent reason to be there, and none of them do.

More defense of your slot from Circus.

Yes, I think Ryker's just being Ryker. He's always antagonistic; it's not a scumtell. I know nothing about Moth. I may be projecting too much, but I consider attacks on things like Ryker's pic posting and "emotional" responses and antagonistic style to be fishy, because they remind me of myself in Super Heroes. It doesn't take much effort to point at a player with a playstyle that people don't like and try to turn town against them purely on that basis. All the better if it's a player that is good at finding scum. And then, when he's dead, you can just say "well, we're better off without having to worry about him anyway."

And yet MORE defense! But wait, we aren't even done!

Unvote

Vote: Frozenflame

Also, Tery's jump to rule breaking after being silent and useless for the past several days is duly ****ing noted. Seriously, best vig choice. No other option.

@Circus - I'd rather have Ryker vig'd personally.

I'd rather have Boat's slot replaced.

Tery is outright scummy to me at this point.

Man, there's a lot of Circus defending you, considering he didn't post a lot. Anyway, here are Circus's lynch picks:

Unvote if it'll get your panties untwisted for a minute.

This will be going back on before deadline if we don't find a better lynch. Because, to be honest, you're right, I would prefer a Tery or Inferno lynch at this point. If you want to help me make that happen, then go ahead, but no one else seems to be as bothered by their bull**** as I am.

And we're not No Lynching.

Conspicious lack of YOU in them. This continues in his responses to my case, he goes after Tery rather than you (the other possible option.)

Anyway, now that we're done with the Circus defense angle, let's move on, shall we?

Let's start with your D2 play, since you did almost NOTHING D1.

Your scum list is here:

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13397150&postcount=817

At that point, you claimed your reads were:

Town was me and Raziek
Scum was Xatres, maybe AB, and JTB

and your other hydra half agreed

Ryker's an idiot but those reads are accurate.

And now Moth comes in with some actual content

Okay I'm finally caught up and I have to say, I agree with OS.
Raziek could easily be scum. I don't really get what people are saying about Raziek lifting the Circus case off the ground; he hopped on with no more given reasoning than "Sure whatever." The one who got the lynch happening was solely Nich. Completely and entirely his original case.


That said I don't like the AB shenanigans. Particularly this post:


The bolded sentence feels like padding for a fall. I think the whole deal with him being confirmed town is WIFOM and should not be taken as fact. It defeats the point of this being a fair and balanced game anyways.

I've also seen people setting me up for a D3 lynch should we survive that long, and I don't like that AT ALL. How long I survive has very little to do with my alignment and I have no control of Ryker's posting beyond eventually replacing Boatchouli out for my main account if I feel it's necessary to play the game to a satisfactory standard. I'd also like to point out that Raziek was one of the people saying a Boat lynch would be a good idea on D3 if Ryker continues posting pictures.

My current reads are as follows, if there are any discrepancies with what I said previously it's because I didn't know what the **** I was talking about:

1. Inferno3044
2. JTB
3. Overswarm
4. Red Ryu
6. Analytical Buttheads
7. Rajam
8. Nicholas1024
9. Xatres
10. Terywj
11. Raziek
12. Boatchouli
13. Frozenflame751

Colors should be self explanatory.

Raziek has been following other people this whole game and generally trying to blend in. I don't like him at all. I've stated why I don't think AB should be considered confirmed town and I find his play extremely anti-town.

A lot of the Nulls are because I simply haven't read into them. That was simply too much to read in one night and still have the energy to make a post with this much content.

I like OS' play and I like his thoughts though his logic on following AB was dumb as hell.
Nich is pretty much confirmed town from my point of view as he took several dying wagons near deadline and pushed a wagon on scum from literally no votes. Scum would have been content to blend in and put their vote pretty much anywhere since a no lynch would have been fine for scum.
Red Ryu makes as little sense as ever but he's leaning town at this point for me. Don't see any scum intent from him. May need to look into him a bit more.
Rajam is leaning town purely on the premise that Raziek is scum. If my read on Raziek were to be revised, so would my read on Rajam. The same may or may not apply in reverse depending on the situation.

In conclusion: Vote: Raziek

Not too much here, just makes a couple vague claims about Raziek, some town reads, and one particular thing he disliked about AB. It's an improvement over what you had been doing, but it's not as much as it looks like at first glance.

It's clear that Circus was setting me up for lynch upon a scum flip. There's no reason not to defend a townie like he did as scum. If he gets lynched that townie is more likely to be lynched. If the townie gets lynched anyway he gets town points.

As he has already FLIPPED SCUM his defense on me should be taken as wifom meant to confuse town.

This is an obvious exaggeration. Circus was defending you from early game as my quote wall shows, and there is no way he thought he'd be flipping D1. (In fact, he more or less quit mentioning you once I started pushing him late.) To say he was setting you up for a lynch upon his flip is garbage, since there was about a 90% odds of you flipping first at the time of those post. The explanation of him wanting town points for defending you makes a little more sense, but it wasn't so much a defense as attacking people on your wagon and going "No, X is scummier." In other words, he was trying to direct the lynch elsewhere WITHOUT making it look like he was defending you. Now THAT sounds like scum defending scum to me.

And what about you, Raziek? You were setting me up for a lynch yourself.
Something about lynch boat on D3 if he's still around?

I've seen the quote, and what Raziek said was to lynch Boat if he was still playing the same way (i.e.: Being completely useless and inactive) on D3. Two completely different things.

It's a scumslip because you called me a mislynch but I'm not dumb enough to push you for that.

And it's not just about saying "Yeah I'll lynch boat," it's about saying "If boat is still here at Day X then we need to policy lynch him."

Besides, the reason for my scumminess before was my inactivity and ryker's picture posting right? I don't see either of those now.

Moth straw man's the reasons as to why the slot's been looked at as scummy. (Admittedly those things didn't help, but they're far from the only reasons.)

Now regarding Raziek...

I've checked your posts, the only case I've seen is from Moth, so give me quotes of where YOU made a case, Ryker.

As far as his vote on Circus, he was in Time Travelers. He knows I can make a good case, there were no super prevalent options (seriously, town was going EVERYWHERE), and Circus was around null for a lot of people. Sure, he didn't post a huge argument, but he didn't claim to and he didn't have to, his vote and agreement was a nice help.

And as far as other stuff he did D1... the burden of proof is on you to show what he did was scummy. What did you do that was townie D1, hm? Raziek was far more active, and he actually made his own case (on Rajam), and didn't super sheep. Sure, he was on Frozen, but that was to prevent a no-lynch (I buy his explanation there because his vote put Frozen at L-2, and the wagon was already rolling hard at that point.)


So, satisfied now?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I thought the attack was invalid, why else would Circus scramble with petty one-liners in his last couple of posts before the lynch? I'm so confused.

 

[Raziek]

@Nich

 

[Overswarm]

Raziek.

Boat flips scum.

Who next?

Boat flips town.

Who next?



@Nich

Does a Boat scum flip clear Raziek? Does a Boat town flip damn Raziek?

 

[Raziek]

Boat flips Scum? Maybe Tery.

Boat flips Town? Red Ryu would have my attention.

I feel like we've already drawn some reasonable connections here, but it's entirely possible that scum is flying under the radar in Rajam or JTB's slot.

 

[Inferno3044]

How about you actually read the game. I already did both of those.


In other news my updated read on JTB is inactive null leaning town.

I read. Your case on raziek is bad and I still think you are a very viable lynch choice.

 

[Boatchouli]

First off, I'm amused at how you're trying to play "Oh, Nick's so crazy, Raziek's obi scum and I'm obi town" when just looking at the vote count tells you otherwise.

So having OS on my wagon makes me scum? Let's go back and lynch AB then.
Two of those votes are from you and RR. One of the other ones is from our SCUMPICK. I don't feel even a little intimidated.

Oh look, Circus thinks me setting you up as a good fallback lynch is scummy, and says that at least one person on your wagon is opportunistic. (This is really early game as well)

More defense of your slot from Circus.

And yet MORE defense! But wait, we aren't even done!

Man, there's a lot of Circus defending you, considering he didn't post a lot.

You're dumb I've already said that's all WIFOM. I can spin it towards me too. He could easily be defending us for the town cred.

Anyway, here are Circus's lynch picks:


Conspicious lack of YOU in them. This continues in his responses to my case, he goes after Tery rather than you (the other possible option.)

Hurr durr well no **** Sherlock. He's been defending us the whole time so far. Regardless of his alignment, at that point switching sides like that would make him look like the scummiest scum in scum town.

Anyway, now that we're done with the Circus defense angle, let's move on, shall we?

Let's start with your D2 play, since you did almost NOTHING D1.

Your scum list is here:

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13397150&postcount=817

At that point, you claimed your reads were:

Town was me and Raziek
Scum was Xatres, maybe AB, and JTB

and your other hydra half agreed

Yeah and now we agree on a different read list.

This is an obvious exaggeration.

You mean like your whole Circus connection case?

Moth straw man's the reasons as to why the slot's been looked at as scummy. (Admittedly those things didn't help, but they're far from the only reasons.)

Let me correct myself, the only VALID reasons.

Now regarding Raziek...

I've checked your posts, the only case I've seen is from Moth, so give me quotes of where YOU made a case, Ryker.

I'm pretty sure I'm only one player slot. One player slot that only recently got back together but still one player slot.

You're not gonna break us apart.

As far as his vote on Circus, he was in Time Travelers. He knows I can make a good case, there were no super prevalent options (seriously, town was going EVERYWHERE), and Circus was around null for a lot of people. Sure, he didn't post a huge argument, but he didn't claim to and he didn't have to, his vote and agreement was a nice help.

Lest you forget, half of this hydra was his partner in that game and:

1) He wasn't there for most of it
and
2) He thought you were ********.

I'm not saying that his being on the Circus wagon is a scummy act, I'm saying his being on the Circus wagon isn't a clearing act. It's more than possible it was a bus.

And as far as other stuff he did D1... the burden of proof is on you to show what he did was scummy. What did you do that was townie D1, hm? Raziek was far more active, and he actually made his own case (on Rajam), and didn't super sheep. Sure, he was on Frozen, but that was to prevent a no-lynch (I buy his explanation there because his vote put Frozen at L-2, and the wagon was already rolling hard at that point.)

Fair enough.

Hey, Raziek, since you seem to be so in line with Nich's reasoning, why don't you explain why Nich's case isn't bull****.
And Nich I want you to chill out and let my man Raziek here answer this for me first.

 

[Overswarm]

Raziek, what about Inferno.

 

[Boatchouli]

Raziek, what about Inferno.

I like you

Will you be my Alice?

 

[Nicholas1024]

@OS
The only thing Boat's flip would tell me about Raziek is whether Ryker's honestly wrong or scum misleading. Either way I feel Raziek's pretty obv-town.

 

[Raziek]

Inferno currently null. Would be more concerned about him if Boat flipped Town, less if he flipped scum.

I'm not spinning the same **** that's already been spun four or five times, Ryker.

 

[Raziek]

Especially not when you didn't even heed Nich's request to answer the burden of proof of why I'm scummy. You just tried to goad me into re-stating what's already been said four or five times to as Overswarm said so eloquently earlier:

"Judo it into an emotionally based case, rather than a logical one."

Not gonna fly, Ryker.

 

[Overswarm]

Do you think his reaction is a town tell or a scum tell, assuming it is in a vacuum?

 

[Boatchouli]

I'm not spinning the same **** that's already been spun four or five times, Ryker.

I posted that, thank you very much.

You're very much correct, you wouldn't be spinning the same **** that's been spun four or five times. You would be blazing new ground in challenging our response, but that would involve doing more than sitting in the back and pointing your finger. When are you going to actually play the game toDay, Raziek? Ironic that I'm the one who has to call you out here. I believe this image is appropriate:

 

[Raziek]

I got confused on the heads due to all the pictures.

As I already said, Moth. I'm not doing anything you ask until you tell me why I'm scum, like Nich already asked.

 

[Boatchouli]

Especially not when you didn't even heed Nich's request to answer the burden of proof of why I'm scummy. You just tried to goad me into re-stating what's already been said four or five times to as Overswarm said so eloquently earlier:

"Judo it into an emotionally based case, rather than a logical one."

Not gonna fly, Ryker.

Geez not even giving me an hour? A man's gotta eat.

 

[Raziek]

Do you think his reaction is a town tell or a scum tell, assuming it is in a vacuum?

Oh, and I missed this. Was this addressed to me, OS? If so, which reaction did you mean?

 

[Raziek]

Take your time, I'll wait. But you get nothing until then.

 

[Boatchouli]

I got confused on the heads due to all the pictures.

As I already said, Moth. I'm not doing anything you ask until you tell me why I'm scum, like Nich already asked.

"Hey Ryker, ever get the feeling no one's reading the thread?"

 

[Raziek]

Got ninja'd a few times, cut me a break.

 

[Overswarm]

Oh, and I missed this. Was this addressed to me, OS? If so, which reaction did you mean?

Yes .

 

[Boatchouli]

"Hey Ryker, ever get the feeling no one's reading the thread?"

 

[Raziek]

Yes .

You're missing the second part of the answer. Whose reaction, and when? Post number if possible.

 

[Nicholas1024]

OS, are you still in support of a Boat lynch?

 

[Overswarm]

"Hey Ryker, ever get the feeling no one's reading the thread?"

Poor emotional statement that requires nothing from Raziek.

A better way to get at the same emotional argument and to rile Raziek up would be to say things like

"You've been absent all game and only speak up when someone accuses you or asks you a direct question. All your posts are short, pointless, and more often than not excuses."


Just trying to help your game out.