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Matchup Thread: WHAT TIME IS IT?
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Veggi
Smash Champion
I like some projectiles....
*nabs wario's wheels*
*nabs wario's wheels*
Veggi
Smash Champion
Yeah I agree, Donkey Kong should be top tier.
itsthebigfoot
Smash Lord
random posts... yeah
wario is similar to melee jiggs, in that, he's a constant threat, but constantly safe as well due to his movement. bite limits dk a lot, but if dk can get a foot hold, he can mess wario up
anyway, we're gonna finish up the relevant characters with IC's next week, then the week after that, a recap (and open debate on moving falco, marth, rob, and g&w) then after that we'll move on to the uncommon characters that you won't see much like pika and tink
btw, happy thanksgiving, don't let cbk grab your turkey or it's over
i1337
Smash Ace
Don't let CBK grab your Turkey or it's over. OM NOM NOM (I added a Wario twist.)
PKNintendo
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Don't forget Wario's downthrow>Fsmash.
Always works.
If you account for the CG I think 6-4 is justified, maybe even more.
1 grab=1 stock.
EX:Downthrow, Pivot down throw pivot downthrow e.c.t. until downthrow>Fsmash.
Without the CG I would say 5-5 or 55-45 for Wario. Or 45-55 for DK if we account DK grab release upsmash WITHOUT accounting Wario's CG which accounts to previous matchup statement and e.c.t.
Always works.
If you account for the CG I think 6-4 is justified, maybe even more.
1 grab=1 stock.
EX:Downthrow, Pivot down throw pivot downthrow e.c.t. until downthrow>Fsmash.
Without the CG I would say 5-5 or 55-45 for Wario. Or 45-55 for DK if we account DK grab release upsmash WITHOUT accounting Wario's CG which accounts to previous matchup statement and e.c.t.
Ripple
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wario can't f smash right out of the chain grab. DK can bring up his shield.
itsthebigfoot
Smash Lord
thats more of a bowser side taunt thing
soloSHADOWROB
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Wario has an infinite CG on DK so wouldnt that give him more of an advantage?
Seriously Grab->D-Throw->Turn around Grab-> D-throw and continue doing that.
Its so gay
IMO Id say 65-35
Seriously Grab->D-Throw->Turn around Grab-> D-throw and continue doing that.
Its so gay
IMO Id say 65-35
Ripple
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its not an infinite, just 0-105
So DK still has about 100 more % before he's in kill range.
itsthebigfoot
Smash Lord
0 - 105, but if wario is on the ground going for grabs he's at a disadvantage. he's much harder in the air
OmniOstrich
Smash Lord
Also wario grab range=\=D3 grab range
Frankly IC's grab range blows as well, if you face an IC's player that doesn't have de-synch tricks to get grabs its a 50-50 match, whoever spaces the best wins.
Popertop
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I'm pretty sure the Fsmash is guaranteed.
If not we still have pummels and fthrow to top off the chaingrab at around 120%
If not we still have pummels and fthrow to top off the chaingrab at around 120%
Mr.Victory07
Smash Lord
The chaingrab doesnt really bother me, you could theoretically get like %100, but when do you ever get grabbed at 0? And theres a good chance of him eventually missing
Popertop
Smash Champion
It's actually not that hard at all.
If I practiced for five minutes you probably wouldn't see me mess up.
It's just a rhythym thing really.
If I practiced for five minutes you probably wouldn't see me mess up.
It's just a rhythym thing really.
itsthebigfoot
Smash Lord
even if they do that, dk's got the edge against ic's, you'll see next week
and popertop, even if it is easy, it still doesn't change the whole "you're at a heavy disadvantage if you're going for it due to our fantastic ground game" thing
Popertop
Smash Champion
I scored grabs like all the time against cyphus, I'm pretty confident I could do it.
ssbbFICTION
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Dk has a massive advantage over IC's what are you people saying haha. ITs easily 60-40 probably 65-35.
I'm gonna say wario vs DK is even. There are so crazy thing that BOTH sides can do, so I'd say its fairly even, maybe a small advantage to DK because of his edge on priority.
itsthebigfoot
Smash Lord
fiction, i think it's slight wario adv, after playing futile, i'ma feared of da wario. bite's too good.
Lol Fitcion trying to contradict me I see... Well, I can guarantee you Wario has the advantage. 
Now as for IC's vs DK, Idk I would maybe go with even, I wonder if Lain has some vids vs some good DK's. Those would be fun to watch I think.
Now as for IC's vs DK, Idk I would maybe go with even, I wonder if Lain has some vids vs some good DK's. Those would be fun to watch I think.
I'm just rying t o raise my post number
Popertop
Smash Champion
Monkey kong in japanese = Monkey Kong
PKNintendo
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Unfortunately, I couldn't shield with DK. It seems that Wario Fsmash comes out to fast, fast enough to catch DK. DK can escape the Fsmash (when needed lol) at higher % though.
Heh, you guys are right. I just played a DK, (with Wario) expecting to win with the CG easily, but DK went down with a fight. Down to my last stock. (Maybe my Wario's gotten bad)
Yo Popertop, isn't it Monkey Kong=Donkey Kong?
Veggi
Smash Champion
Actually, Monkey Kong was supposed to be his name, but when it was translated to English the M and D characters looked similiar because Miyamoto had poor writing skill.
At least that's what I was told....
At least that's what I was told....
Donkey Bong
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haha i love playing against my friend who mains ICs
because first i'll practice against them with my secondaries (lucario, diddy kong) and i'll usually lose there so then i pull out the big monkey to deal with those little ****s lawlz
because first i'll practice against them with my secondaries (lucario, diddy kong) and i'll usually lose there so then i pull out the big monkey to deal with those little ****s lawlz
Donkey Bong
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LOLOLOLOL
vs link this is what DK needs to do:
build up to ~60% damage.
grab link near the edge
cargo, then walk off the edge, and throw link away from the stage as opposed to under it
goodbye link's stock.
basilioyugi
Smash Cadet
i am suposedly the best wario of my country , but im not that good, but in panama brawl comunity is small,anyway i can assure u that wario got the advantage, dthrow>fsmash or dthrow>pivotgrab>dthrow> pivot grab.... owns the monkey
itsthebigfoot
Smash Lord
you're... really... dumb
link gets eaten by dk. wait till we eventually get to crap characters like link, we'll cover why, anyone who says link has the edge has never played a good dk
and donkey kong in japanese is donkey kong, miyamoto gave him an english name cause english words are popular in japan (even if they don't know what it means, look up engrish.com, some funny misspellings)
it was supposed to be closer to "j.ack-a.ss monkey"
that was his grandpa though, donkey awesomesauce funkmaster cornelius kong the 3rd is just too good.
the grabs are not that big, if wario goes for grabs against dk, he's going to run into more problems than if he just spaced his aerials properly, because he's on the ground, where dk wants him
Just so you guys know, Wario sucking = to people that play wario sucking *exept for Futile*. You should know Wario players are lame for the most part and can't hold a candle to DK players, People always doing chaingrabs on DK's. And you think were going to let that grab happen DK has an amazing amount of tools to avoid the grab. You guys going oh chaingrab....that must mean not in DK's favor. Dk Beats Wario....DK even with Falco Ice-climbers. And link wow...hold on let me gimp you in three moves....hahalolololol.
Point Wario sucks as much as most of their players.
Point Wario sucks as much as most of their players.
PKNintendo
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Wow your an idiot.
Grabbing DK is not impossible. And one grab=stock.
It's like an infinite. 0-110% is ridiculous. It doesn't matter if it infinites because DDD's and IC's don't continue their infinite. Wario players are good, and their post are intelligent. You represent all that is wrong with DK community, some cocky player who thinks skill=all.
Face it, DK gets screwed over because Sakurai couldn't balance the game properly.
It's happened to my main, to the Wario mains, to practically everyone in Brawl.
Anyway, DK players what have you got to say to this guy?
Ripple
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wrong, DK can survive his f smash at110% depending on in your in the middle of the stage or not which DK should be
it is not like an infinite, we (dk mains) complain a lot about DDD and ICs(somewhat) about the infinte. you don't really care about warios chaingrab because we know we can survive it.
generalization and irrelevant for the first part and second part of your post respectively
what the hell is wrong with the DK boards besides his 1 post. Do you really think we're all this bad?
true but Wario does not pose a threat
he's CBK, what else can I say?
People can CG Wario and half of the cast can grab release him into a kill move, and yet I don't go around calling DK players or Dedede players lame. :/
How does DK beat Wario? I've yet to fully hear the options DK has to avoid getting grabbed. I know of spacing with Bairs, stuff like reverse Utilts, and even just swatting with Ftilt. What I haven't heard is what DK does when Wario Airdodges through those moves, what DK does when his attacks miss or hit a shield vs Wario. I mean, yeah he has a lot of range against Wario, and he's not a slowpoke either, but what happens when something DK does happens to not work out as planned?
If something for Wario doesn't work out, he can usually retreat it safely. If not, he usually gets punished pretty nasty for it. The same thing happens for DK, if he can't retreat a move or if he whiffs up close, he can get punished pretty nasty as well.
If you think Wario loses to DK, that's fine, you are entitled to your opinions, but you got to admit that a CG that can take DK to around 110% is certainly something to consider and something that does affect the matchup.
Lol.
Ok so back on track, you guys were gonna go over IC's next?
i1337
Smash Ace
IC matchup nao!
also, to pknintendo: dont let cbk get a hold of your top or its over.
also, to pknintendo: dont let cbk get a hold of your top or its over.
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