Match-Up Discussion #12! Wolf

[_Kadaj_]

I like wolf's forward tilt like jab to forward tilt. But I only mess around with wolf from time to time.
His DACUS and lagless f-airs are just sexy

 

[BacklashMarth]

Since i use wolf occasionally i will have to agree i guess. But still if there is a marth vs. wolf matchup, i pray that im the one using marth.

 

[_Kadaj_]

Lol yea me to. But I only use him in friendlies sometimes

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

I use Wolf, he's my secondary. His ftilt is like my favorite move. Oh wait no it's Bair its so sexy I love it.

 

[_Kadaj_]

Lol I think wolf is somewhat underused just like pikachu. There is a lot of potential in both of those characters. I think if people would stop tier whoring it up they would realize how good these characters can be

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Wolf is good. But the Wolf Boards suck so I get like no help.

 

[Ishiey]

Hey, we're not THAT bad.... it's just that almost everything that gets asked there was covered a really long time ago, it takes some lurking to get used to. I guess it's because we lack a sticky that's well organized... Either way, if you really need help with something related to wolf and the boards aren't working out, you can PM me and I'll do my best to help.

Spoiler

Hoping that people stop hatin on the wolf boards, even though we probably deserve it

 

[BacklashMarth]

Im starting to think that our boards are the most neat and most helpful to noobs. We should get a Nobel peace prize or something. Our main is epic, our threads are epic, we are just made of win.

 

[takeurlife2]

1. You cant 0-death wolf if he DI's
2. Fthrow > Fthrow > Fthrow > Tipper fsmash works from 0(you have to foxtrot the fsmash for a little more reach)
3. This is my least favorite matchup.

 

[Turbo Ether]

Wolf is good. But the Wolf Boards suck so I get like no help.

Pretty true.

 

[_Kadaj_]

you guys should try to take after the marth boards

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

^Ya. it's Wolf Boards new thread time. And thanks Ishieymoro.

 

[_Kadaj_]

lol we should go and get every single character thread except meta knight lol to inhance there guides, meta game, character match ups, playstyle, and more, kill percentages, damage ratios, frame rate data i could go on and on, some character threads dont even have video archives

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

That would be great. I posted something like Pierce's simple question simple answer thread just now in the Wolf Boards. And I think you forgot to say no Snake either Kadaj. (Can I call you that?)

 

[_Kadaj_]

yea sure dude lol. And your right i did forget snake he can be gimped alot easier than mk can but hey there already good enough

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Grabbing Smake out of up-b is hilarious and amazing. I love it.

 

[_Kadaj_]

yea me too i like grabbing game and watch out of his up b as well

 

[Turbo Ether]

lol we should go and get every single character thread except meta knight lol to inhance there guides, meta game, character match ups, playstyle, and more, kill percentages, damage ratios, frame rate data i could go on and on, some character threads dont even have video archives

Yeah, the Wolf boards are hurting for some frame data. No one there seems to have access to the proper tools.

 

[_Kadaj_]

You could ask ankoku he should be able to help you with that

 

[BacklashMarth]

Grabbing Smake out of up-b is hilarious and amazing. I love it.

Ok, i have been told this is an easy ko but how do you do it? Or rather what is the easiest way?

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Backlash siply grab snake during his up-b and don't do anything and he will fall to his doom.

 

[_Kadaj_]

Juat gran him don't attack or throw just hold him and he will fall to his death

 

[Lv.99]

Huh, I see a lot of insult to the wolf boards. I don't know about their lacking of specifics and frame data, but other than that, they're pretty good. They will assist any new players (me) on the spot and will give a full explanation to any questions.

Anyway, about wolf matchup, since I ply him. VietG probably set it all so I'll summarize.

Approaching: Expect a back air 90% of the time with some other stuff the other 10%. "Other stuff" includes lagless f-air, spaced n-air, and retreating DI to f-smash.
Offense: More back air, tilts galore, u-air for juggling, and lazer spam.
Defense: Have I said back air yet, well , we do. Also expect relfector for the few invincibility frames.
Recovery: If we use fire wolf, we die because it is incredibly easy to edgegaurd. And bewarned of the pseudoscarr. With it, we can go through almost any stage.

 

[felix0-9]

my friend mains wolf and we play a lot, and one of the most effective ways i've found to get easy KOs is dancing blade to dancing blade off the stage to forward air to gimp. if you hit wolf in the early frames of his forward b or up b he loses a lot of ground and since they're both pretty short range moves, it normally finishes him.

 

[VietGeek]

Huh, I see a lot of insult to the wolf boards. I don't know about their lacking of specifics and frame data, but other than that, they're pretty good. They will assist any new players (me) on the spot and will give a full explanation to any questions.

You were just lucky, lol. Just joking, maybe it's because you didn't suck so they would easily refine you.

Also, again your luck transcends all logic. Go back to GameWatch and luckhax again please.

Also, if your phantasm cancels at the ledge, you know you get your jump back so if you see it happening, consider it a blessing instead?

 

[_Kadaj_]

Lol luck? Hey he's kinda right its not like wolf mains do it every single time

 

[VietGeek]

Lol luck? Hey he's kinda right its not like wolf mains do it every single time

He like cheats like a Level 9 CPU and gets nines via Judgment without even spamming it to force a nine. It became the point where I could see the Judgment almost frame by frame and use Counter. <_<

Of course, he just spammed *predictably* so it eventually became JV 4 stocks. Now he mains Wolf which has the type of spam that isn't so easily punished so as long as it's intelligent.

I think Wolf boards have a change of heart because they NEED new players. I read the TL boards were filled with douches in May, it's not quite that way anymore. The community needs to get along with one another, naturally.

 

[_Kadaj_]

The community as whole needs to do get along better.

 

[takeurlife2]

all smart snakes just use C4 to re-recover after you grab their recovery... chase him after you grab and fair him if he lays it.

 

[BacklashMarth]

all smart snakes just use C4 to re-recover after you grab their recovery... chase him after you grab and fair him if he lays it.

Or you could try to footstool dair him (probably dangerous but chances are snake will die are in ur favor).

 

[Turbo Ether]

The Wolf boards tell people to spam Bair. That's... no good.

 

[BacklashMarth]

Well considering Wolf doesnt have all that much going for him anyway, it doesnt matter one way or another.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

omfg, why don't you guys care about your own shortcomings, instead of putting down the Wolf boards??? (PT and Link boards are much more n00by...)

 

[-Mars-]

lol we should go and get every single character thread except meta knight lol to inhance there guides, meta game, character match ups, playstyle, and more, kill percentages, damage ratios, frame rate data i could go on and on, some character threads dont even have video archives

psssh not every character has a bunch of fanboys, yes your board is well organized but it's because there are a ton of Marth players out there due to his immense popularity. Of course the jiggly and Luigi boards aren't going to be all that great. And the Link boards are nothing but "nooby", they have a bunch of respected players on those boards and the board is well organized.

 

[Emblem Lord]

Our board is organized because we have intelligent contributors and we all do our best to foster more intelligent people to take part in discussion.

Also we do our best to crush fads and we have newbie silencer threads that explain the basics of Marth so no threads that ask the same old questions get repeated.

Plus we are elitist as hell so noobs are afraid to post.

Hey, I'm not complaining that's for sure.

 

[-Mars-]

Our board is organized because we have intelligent contributors and we all do our best to foster more intelligent people to take part in discussion.

Also we do our best to crush fads and we have newbie silencer threads that explain the basics of Marth so no threads that ask the same old questions get repeated.

Plus we are elitist as hell so noobs are afraid to post.

Hey, I'm not complaining that's for sure.

Oh I know this and I don't blame ya, I kinda envy you guys(as much as I hate Marth players). The Zelda and Sheik boards are decent and fairly well organized with intelligent discussion, but the Fox boards are as good as dead and the Luigi board is just a couple Luigi mains begging more people to play Luigi. As a Fox and Weegee player it's kinda frustrating, if those boards were like this one I would be in heaven and my game would improve immensely.

 

[Shaya]

Perhaps the question to be asking is "Is there a [meta]game to improve."

Not "why can't our boards be like THIS".

 

[Emblem Lord]

Pretty much.

If a character has limited options/metagame i.e if the character sucks then generally the character board will be inactive simply because there is nothing to discuss.

 

[-Mars-]

Luigi and Fox don't suck, both of these characters have a lot of potential. Fox and Luigi are one of the few characters in Brawl that can actually combo. Jab canceling into a fire punch with Weegee can be actually implemented in competitive matches, I think with Luigi his main thing is no one plays him because of his weird traction mechanics and his falling speed......not because the character "sucks"

 

[Emblem Lord]

Can they win tournaments?

This is competitive gaming.

A character is either weak or a character is strong.

Marth can't win tournaments consistently.

He is weak.

Fox and Luigi can't do this nor can they even place high consistently.

They are even weaker.

MK and Snake can win tournaments consistently.

They are strong.

Understand?