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All she should end up kicking are bombs and boomerangs. I just don't see how Zelda with her crappy mobility can deal with it. It's like Link vs Bowser. Skler had a really good write up on why Bowser's mobility limits him from doing anything.
that wasn't for you. merkuri is virus blue mage.
But for real, I play Zelda, I've read the arguments. You're right when you say there's nothing more to say on Zelda/Mewtwo, but that being said I agree with the Zelda side, since you're obviously explaining the Mewtwo side wrong since nothing you've said has convinced me, or any one else, that Mewtwo > Zelda.
And don't call me VBM, low blow, bro.
He is speaking to me. Kyu Puff has convinced a few people that I'm vbm. Or at least a few people simply like to bring it up when they argue with me.
But for real, I play Zelda, I've read the arguments. You're right when you say there's nothing more to say on Zelda/Mewtwo, but that being said I agree with the Zelda side, since you're obviously explaining the Mewtwo side wrong since nothing you've said has convinced me, or any one else, that Mewtwo > Zelda.
And don't call me VBM, low blow, bro.
I'm curious as to why you think ICs-Falcon is 55:45. IMO it's 50:50.
i was under the impression that falcon beats ics if only barely cause the knee seperates nana and popo very nicely and that all ics match ups kinda depend on how easy it is to get a grab and consistently 0 death from said grab (when nana and popo are together) that isnt to say grab to death is their only method of killing but it seems to be the most reliable and after watching apex2 this furthers my belief in such theory since the most reliable way of killing is from grabs and grabbing falcon is kinda hard do to his fantastic mobility however since falcon lacks a projectile he has to come at u eventually so i figure u get ur grabs off some missed tech or some poor spacing
I'm willing to discuss the match-up, but last time the counterargument never amounted to more than misconceptions about knee/raptor boost and vague references to Azen vs Chu. I'll add more later if you want to talk about it; I'm really not trying to troll the match-up or come off as radical.
RoM 3?tml is the troll, he called me out for a money match and then bailed on every tournament since then.
I'm willing to discuss the match-up, but last time the counterargument never amounted to more than misconceptions about knee/raptor boost and vague references to Azen vs Chu. I'll add more later if you want to talk about it; I'm really not trying to troll the match-up or come off as radical.
Chival: The Samus match-up has always felt pretty difficult to me, but I don't really have enough experience in it to comment. Wobbles and Fly seem to have some success against Samus and I think their general consensus was that it's only a slight disadvantage; maybe we can get one of them here to talk about it.
This, this, and this. I live 5 minutes away from and IC main in Raleigh, and he always said this. I play Falcon against his ICs a fair amount, and I can attest that this is true.
well thats gay cause last time i played an ics i raptor boosted got grabbed and got ***** lol but if u just raptor boost cant they just wavedash back wavedash forward and grab cause raptor boost is really easily telegraphed for the most part
IC's *can* shieldgrab raptor boost, although there's either a specific timing (slightly delayed) or their shield needs worn down/smaller (so raptor boost ends a little closer to them). I've tested it with mixed results, although a couple of days ago it seemed like I could shieldgrab it every time regardless of shield size.
ICs have deadly tech chases vs Falcon. They either get a grab or a d-smash, both of with tend to lead to death. At low percent a d-smash leads to further tech chasing and more grab/d-smash opportunities.
It's entirely possible to shield grab raptor boost. It just depends on factors that Kyu Puff mentioned.
People brought it up randomly, and I disproved the notion that ICs can't punish raptor boost on shield. You're basing your argument on selective eyesight... good job.
So you start off saying they have plenty of options out of shield, then you go on to explain how they're all escapable or ineffective in some way...
Except for the part where they shieldgrab it... And I don't see how it ***** them if they wd a lot. Are they supposed to approach him with an empty wd or something? Typically it's wd -> attack/shield/retreat, and raptor boost loses to every single one of those options. Maybe if you highlight some specific instances where it's good I would understand you better.
Care to elaborate? I personally don't think it's a good idea because they have several better options, but it's still guaranteed damage from a shielded raptor boost. What makes it a bad idea, cc gentleman?
I just want to point out that ICs are only vulnerable for the first 14 frames of their wavedash. Falcon's ground raptor boost doesn't hit until frame 15. In other words, if you want to beat wavedashes with it, you're not going to be able to do it on reaction. You have to anticipate a wavedash. Even then, ICs can react to the startup frames of raptor boost. They don't even have to attack through it. All it takes on their part is a CC (leading to grab of course), turning around and shielding (followed by bair out of shield), or wavedashing out of range (and then punish for whiffing).
you know, i might have agreed with this if I hadn't watched m2k v wobbles.
This isn't a difficult concept to grasp. If you Raptor Boost and they WD, you will hit them. This allows you to threaten their main form of movement, as opposed to, for example, Marth, who can easily shield the Raptor Boost on reaction out of his dash and punish accordingly. This is all beside the point, because frankly Falcon doesn't need Raptor Boost to beat ICs, but it's not as easily countered as you make it out to be and it's FAR more safe than it is in any of Falcon's tougher matchups.
CC anything? The fact that it's a horrible move and you should rarely use it if ever? Falcon uses his most laggy, unsafe move, and your best guaranteed punish is nair? Wow.
If you hold down and buffer roll you can easily counter both of those options.
Lol.
You really don't have the experience to make that statement with any kind of authority.
I'll take your word for it, but in all my years I have yet to see anybody do this even once.
If SoPo manages to land a hit, I'm sure he could do these things, but Falcon vs. SoPo is probably in the neighborhood of 90-10.
I agree that Raptor Boost can be countered and that it's probably not wise to guess often against really good ICs, but the threat is there. I was merely clarifying that Falcons use Raptor Boost against ICs because it can wreak havoc on their ground game. The fact that it's mostly safe on block certainly increases its utility, but it's not the main selling point. Again, Falcon doesn't need Raptor Boost to beat ICs.
