Marth, Roy, Ness Deconfirmed?

[Anonymousity]

No offense to the quoted, but they aren't wise at all. Whether or not they're in or out, there's NO way Sakurai would let Famitsu give them their own history page before they've been confirmed/deconfirmed. It's just common sense. The bottom line is, he's either hinting that they'll be back, or hinting that they won't. It's not confirmation, just like Ganondorf being originally shown as just a trophy in Melee wasn't confirmation that he wasn't playable.

Yeah, nothing is for sure confirmed.



It sure as **** looks like they're out, though.

 

[Chi's Finest]

Yeah, nothing is for sure confirmed.



It sure as **** looks like they're out, though.

This is my first post summed up. I don't understand why everyone got so angry over the whole ordeal.

 

[blayde_axel]

I'm really glad you put a question mark behind that statement... or else I would have thought you were overspeculating....

The author could easily be comparing the new character in the series to the previous characters.

"But why wasn't Kirby compared?"

Because he's already been confirmed as a character. So it wouldn't prove much of a point.

Seriously! Think about that. They could easily be secret characters.

 

[_the_sandman_]

Why do we need Marth when we already have an overpowered stoic blue-haired swordsman like, you know, Ike? At least Ike can punch and kick unlike Marth, since all he did was vertical arc slashes for every attack.

Also why do we need Ness, another big-headed striped psychic kid, when we have Lucas on the roster who is basically a better version.

 

[YSM]

Then why put them in the magazine at all? If Sakurai doesn't want them in there, then he could just say "don't mention them in the booklet". Nobody would have been at all suprised to see unconfirmed characters absent from the book. Nobody thinks they are somehow obligated to write some cryptic message about Ridley or Krystal or Geno in those 200-some-odd pages.

Every confirmed character has pages and pages of movesets, detailed histories, new screenshots, the works. These guys have shots taken from Melee and a couple sentences that ultimately amount to "Remember when these guys used to be in the last game?" And two of the three were already all but confirmed to be cut...and Marth shares a screenshot with one of them. Unless there is a conspiracy and they are deliberately trying to trick us, there is an overwhelmingly strong implication that these characters are removed. If that implication was considered undesirable, it could have been prevented by simply not including those little blurbs. It's just common sense.

The difference between mentioning those three and mentioning Ridley/Krystal/Geno/etc is that these three have been in game before. So he's simply acknowledging them. And certainly, there's a good chance they are good, but it's foolish to treat it as fact. Especially with Sakurai...if anyone would throw around hints to make people think they're gone, only to surprise them later when they end up returning, it's him.

And honestly, I could care less. As far as I'm concerned, Ike is cooler, and Lucas=Ness with blond hair. It's the same unoriginal character design with stupid looking eyes to me, so it's not as if I'm biased towards these 3. I'm just saying it's not a good idea to spread it around the internet as fact when it simply isn't. At least not yet.

 

[KosukeKGA]

Marth isn't out. He has an upcoming game for DS.

People are misinterpreting this book.

[He's also the most popular FE lord in Japan people, WTF.]

 

[GreenKirby]

OK, now if Marth was low tier in Melee, VERY FEW people would be upset if this was true. >_>

 

[AlphaDragoon2002]

[He's also the most popular FE lord in Japan people, WTF.]

Ike is more popular than Marth, and is currently the most popular FE lord in Japan. Sigurd is more popular than Marth as well.

But Marth is still a pretty popular character being the original FE main, so it's silly to think he doesn't have good chances.

 

[freeman123]

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Read bold. Looks like Marth and Roy are axed. Also looks like Ness is gone if they're doing these articles on old Melee characters and included Ness. This is not somehting set in stone, but from the looks of it, it seems all three are about 99% gone. Darn, Marth was my alt main in Melee.

What does this have to do with Ness?

 

[CyberBenX4]

Marth isn't out. He has an upcoming game for DS.

People are misinterpreting this book.

[He's also the most popular FE lord in Japan people, WTF.]

THANK YOU. Some one else with some sense.

 

[blayde_axel]

OK, now if Marth was low tier in Melee, VERY FEW people would be upset if this was true. >_>

Actually, I would be. Kind of the fact that there's no true evidence there makes me really miffed.

Kinda like fighting the fact that the sky's blue...

"It's not, dammit!"

 

[Piks]

OK, now if Marth was low tier in Melee, VERY FEW people would be upset if this was true. >_>

Spoiler

10Charrrrr

 

[User33]

Some people in this thread are stupid. They showed their Melee models in the guide, and they don't have their own hisyory section because the guide only contains DOJO info. This has been confirmed in the Famitsu thread.

Close this

 

[RT]

This article means nothing, because it doesn't deconfirm anything. It only provides strong evidence that they won't be returning. Please don't say anything is certain until the game comes out.

 

[Chi's Finest]

This article means nothing, because it doesn't deconfirm anything. It only provides strong evidence that they won't be returning. Please don't say anything is certain until the game comes out.

Exactly the point of this thread. I even said in the first post that this isn't a for sure thing. I clearly made a point of that. I never once said this was a certain thing.

 

[blayde_axel]

Exactly the point of this thread. I even said in the first post that this isn't a for sure thing. I clearly made a point of that. I never once said this was a certain thing.

But you know every single person on Smashboards follows everything they see as "fact" or "Truth."

So it was only inevitable when everyone would agree that these three were out and, in no way or fashion, could they be proven wrong.

 

[Wyvern]

This article means nothing, because it doesn't deconfirm anything. It only provides strong evidence that they won't be returning. Please don't say anything is certain until the game comes out.

Strong evidence means nothing? I'm...not quite sure how to respond to that. Strong evidence means a heck of a lot where I come from. Strong evidence is pretty the most valuable possible asset in a discussion. The only thing above "strong evidence" is a blatant, explicit confirmation, and there's not much use for discussion at that point.

 

[retro gamer 6]

helloooooooooo. ike is just like marth and roy! marth would be a clone if he was in. i'm actually glad that he won't make it. roy and ness were predictable. now if only they can get rid of jigglypuff, that stupid pink ball. i hate her!

 

[T-major]

theres no way Marth is getting cut. you know why? because he's the original lord, the only character besides Ike to be in two games, his game is being remade for the DS, the list goes on. he's the only other Fire Emblem character that actually DESERVES to be in, and Sakurai knows that... seriously, what do you think he is? some kind of idiot?

 

[Black/Light]

Wow, some of you should really calm down and chill.

I personally never saw any of them as "have to have" characters for brawl.

Just wait to see if other vets pop up in these history pages like Luigi or Jpuff.
I know that if these are the only 3 vets to show up for some reason than I will personally think they aint coming back.

We will all know in about a lil over a week (hoping for a guide leak) so just chill out about your lil top tier Marth.

 

[webrunner]

I disagree that this is strong evidence. The only 'evidence' is based on interpretation of the word "Predecessor" but that word is not the word of Famitsu or Nintendo, it's the word of a translator.

It may be accurate to the words used in the book, but i doubt it's accurate to the meaning.

 

[shinnok-fan64]

That really means nothing....

I think they're just saying can Ike beat people who came before him, which has nothing to do with a deconfirmation.

 

[flyinfilipino]

So it's either Marth and Roy and Ness or nothing...or none of the above. Ugh, I'll just wait a few more weeks.

 

[blayde_axel]

So it's either Marth and Roy and Ness or nothing...or none of the above. Ugh, I'll just wait a few more weeks.

Right... until then... stop with the speculation.

 

[Caleb Wolfbrand]

helloooooooooo. ike is just like marth and roy! marth would be a clone if he was in. i'm actually glad that he won't make it. roy and ness were predictable. now if only they can get rid of jigglypuff, that stupid pink ball. i hate her!

Whoa buddy.
First off, having played Ike myself at E for All, and being a fairly proficient Marth player in Melee, I can tell you the two are nowhere near the same

Marth is fast, has gay combos and tip crazy power

Ike is slow as christmas, and has a lot of horizontal slashes instead of vertical (like Marth's moveset)

way to judge, you haven't even played the game and you already call someone a clone? if Marth was in and they didn't change 1 thing about him, he and Ike would be about the same as Samus and Link. just cause they have projectiles doesn't make them clones, see what I mean? hope so...

 

[Wyvern]

theres no way Marth is getting cut. you know why? because he's the original lord, the only character besides Ike to be in two games, his game is being remade for the DS, the list goes on. he's the only other Fire Emblem character that actually DESERVES to be in, and Sakurai knows that... seriously, what do you think he is? some kind of idiot?

Reasons Marth might be cut:

1) Fire Emblem, as a series, has many installments with almost no character overlap. It is impossible to represent the entire series. Given this, Sakurai might want to represent as many different games as possible. Therefore, instead of just bringing back the same lords, he takes the old ones out and puts some new ones in, to ensure maximum series representment across Smash Bros. as a whole.

2) The most highly renowned Fire Emblem game in Japan is FE4, starring Sigurd. Sigurd was even originally planned to be Marth's clone in Melee instead of Roy (or maybe Marth was the clone...but it doesn't really matter). Sigurd has pretty much the exact same build and weapon as Marth, and neither one of them has anything unique that contributes towards building their moveset. Sakurai might have decided he couldn't have them both in and give them both unique movesets, and therefore chose to put Sigurd in and have him inheret Marth's moveset, Ness/Lucas-style.

3) Marth's moveset was very overpowered (high speed AND power AND range with no disadvantage) and, in my opinion, incredibly uninspired (basically every A attack is a vertical crescent slash in the suitable direction). It might have just been deemed unsalvageable. Or the changes that would have had to be made to it for it to be viable for Brawl would have caused it to be unsuitable for Marth conceptually (this could be the origin of Ike's moveset for all I know...even though their roles are different, the movesets themselves have some resemblance to one another, especially in the specials).

Do any of these things singularly deconfirm Marth? Of course not. The point is it is possible for the developers to have decided to remove him for logical reasons, without being insane or anything. That in combination with his precarious position in the magazine paints a somewhat grim future for Marth.

 

[SSoH]

Well, that's pretty gay. If true, both my mains were just axed (Marth and Ness).

Sweet deal. Guess it's on to Lucas and Ike.

 

[blayde_axel]

Well, that's pretty gay. If true, both my mains were just axed (Marth and Ness).

Sweet deal. Guess it's on to Lucas and Ike.

*Sigh...* They aren't... huh, whatever.

 

[Demon Kirby]

So it's either Marth and Roy and Ness or nothing...or none of the above. Ugh, I'll just wait a few more weeks.

How the hell does this mean it's all 3 or none? I highly doubt Roy is returning, same with Ness.

 

[Johnknight1]

Ike's too much of a bottom tier to surpase them, anyways. Stop jumping to conclusions, morons .NEVER take anything outside of Nintendo, Sakurai, the Dojo, or final game as FACT! Doing otherwise is simply RETARTED!

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

While this MIGHT not be enough evidence to consider them gone...

You people shouldn't jump on the certainty that they will return either

That's just as bad

 

[RevN]

The article doesn't say anything about them being deconfirmed. This rumor better be put to rest soon. -_-

Theres no Proof about Marth and Roy being Deconfirmed.

 

[SSoH]

*Sigh...* They aren't... huh, whatever.

Note the term "if" protecting myself from future posts that say I'm accepting propaganda or a Ness/Marth lover and I should accept the fact they're gone

 

[blayde_axel]

Note the term "if" protecting myself from future posts that say I'm accepting propaganda or a Ness/Marth lover and I should accept the fact they're gone

Thus I responded to it the way I wanted to. lol.

 

[Masque]

Marth and Roy out..

If true, good. Makes way for Micaiah and Sigurd.

That's my opinion on the whole thing...sort of. I don't know if this is true or not, because the article neither confirms nor deconfirms Ness, Marth, and/or Roy. But if any of the three are cut, I won't be losing sleep--especially Ness, and only because it helps Claus's chances.

Only time will tell, though, because the article itself does nothing to confirm or disconfirm any of the aforementioned combatants.

 

[RT]

Strong evidence means nothing? I'm...not quite sure how to respond to that. Strong evidence means a heck of a lot where I come from. Strong evidence is pretty the most valuable possible asset in a discussion. The only thing above "strong evidence" is a blatant, explicit confirmation, and there's not much use for discussion at that point.

Strong evidence =/= confirmed. I think people being wrongly jailed on "strong evidence" is proof enough. It's not a confirmation, so people need to stop treating it like one...

 

[raphtmarqui]

Yea while it doesn't look too good for Marth, I wouldn't put him as 100% deconfirmed just yet.

 

[Ultimate Ultimate]

This means there are only 3 possibilities 1 they're deconfirmed, 2 they are absolutely going to be in the game, or 3 none of the above.

 

[Jumpinjahosafa]

This thread is stupid.

How does this in any way possible deconfirm any of them....

 

[IkexMarth]

People who say Marth isn't going to be in Brawl are the following:
A)You hate Marth

B) Know little or nothing about Marth or FE

3) You had brain surgery,

I mean seriously. People who say we don't need another blue-haired swordsman, really. I guess ww don't need anothet Italian plumber or a floating puffball.

Sorry if I overeacted, but the logic with Marth is just dumb.