Marth, Roy, Ness Deconfirmed?

[Demon Kirby]

Brain surgery is meant to help people.

 

[FieryRebirth]

...And the people who loved Marth:

1) never played FE but loved his semi-broken moveset that was comparable to Peach's in 1v1(lolmarthsdownsmash) and doesn't want their 'IWIN' button taken away.

2) love the games he were in despite the fact he was a rather mediocre hero unit(or so I've heard)

3)Liked because he's portrayed as the original and first Lord of the FE series...I guess that's an okay reason.


Confirmation or deconfirmation, expect the real deal...in












two more weeks. DUH

 

[Anti Guy]

Seriously, you people are being clouded by strong emotions. This topic is for analyzing the information we've gotten, not to proclaim that these characters are not gonna be in Brawl. If you think about it, most people were already in agreement Roy wasn't returning. Ness's return has been in constant debate ever since Lucas' arrival. The only new issue being debated is Marth, who I personally thought was a shoe-in too, but whatever.

The fact is, Marth suddenly coming up is making everyone go berserk and claiming everyone who's being suspicious of his return as friggin' heretical. This isn't just some random *******' fake "leak," but rather it's official material to be discuss. So let's think about this for a moment...

No offense to the quoted, but they aren't wise at all. Whether or not they're in or out, there's NO way Sakurai would let Famitsu give them their own history page before they've been confirmed/deconfirmed. It's just common sense. The bottom line is, he's either hinting that they'll be back, or hinting that they won't. It's not confirmation, just like Ganondorf being originally shown as just a trophy in Melee wasn't confirmation that he wasn't playable.

First of all, Ganondorf being a trophy is completely irrelevant. We already know that all playable characters would be given a trophy. What Chi's Finest was saying is that because they've been given a section in their history pages (at least from what I've heard), this casts doubt on their appearance (not to mention the whole "in the past" tone of hte articles).

Why would they give Marth and Roy a section in someone else's history, when they could have their own? Ditto with Ness showing up in Lucas'. It's something that should be considered, but everyone's just shoving it off thanks to bias.

I don't care if you guys want Marth in or not (and personally, I want him in too), but grow up a little and look at the other side of the issue, instead of the classic Smash Boards "NO WAY. HE CAN'T BE CUT! IT MUST BE FAKE!" "This list is fake! It doesn't have Geno" adolescent logic. =/

 

[AlphaDragoon2002]

Whoa buddy.
First off, having played Ike myself at E for All, and being a fairly proficient Marth player in Melee, I can tell you the two are nowhere near the same

Marth is fast, has gay combos and tip crazy power

Ike is slow as christmas, and has a lot of horizontal slashes instead of vertical (like Marth's moveset)

Only problem I see with this is that Ike from E for All is not the same as Ike at Whobby. He's not "slow as Christmas" anymore because the invisible lag was removed.

But I agree that they are nothing alike besides the blue hair and a Counter.

 

[Masque]

First of all, Ganondorf being a trophy is completely irrelevant. We already know that all playable characters would be given a trophy. What Chi's Finest was saying is that because they've been given a section in their history pages (at least from what I've heard), this casts doubt on their appearance (not to mention the whole "in the past" tone of hte articles).

Why would they give Marth and Roy a section in someone else's history, when they could have their own? Ditto with Ness showing up in Lucas'. It's something that should be considered, but everyone's just shoving it off thanks to bias.

I don't care if you guys want Marth in or not (and personally, I want him in too), but grow up a little and look at the other side of the issue, instead of the classic Smash Boards "NO WAY. HE CAN'T BE CUT! IT MUST BE FAKE!" "This list is fake! It doesn't have Geno" adolescent logic. =/

That is the pivotal question: why show them at all if they really are going to return? Is Sakurai trying to tease us? Knowing that Sakurai-san supervised the booklet really makes me curious. On one hand, he could be trying to gently acknowledge that, while he hasn't forgotten about these characters, he does want to give people the hint that they will not be back this time around; on the other hand, he could be trying to give hope to those who are worried that their favorite Melee combatant has yet to be shown, and is reminding them to hold out just a little while longer. These translations merely show that what might not have been an issue is now worthy of our speculation.

As I said before, I have no strong feelings for or against Marth, Roy, and Ness....well, I take that back. I don't have any strong feelings for or against Marth, but I think that Roy should leave (in favor of someone less clone-ish, perhaps Micaiah), and I would very much prefer that Ness would leave (make room for Claus!). Bias aside, though, the articles do not say anything about disconfirmation on their own: rather, they bring to light the fact that these are actually in question.

 

[GreenKirby]

Ike's too much of a bottom tier to surpase them, anyways. Stop jumping to conclusions, morons

Wow. You should follow your own advice. >_>

 

[WiiRevolution1]

I think this is true because in FE games they star a certain person(s) for a game or possibly two then they switch to a different Star.

So would'n t smash game do the same? Melee stared Marth and Roy, Brawl will star Ike and possibly somone else.

It makes sence....

 

[Super Smash Master]

Marth is my main but I don't care. I am bored with him anyway. Come on Claus! He's my auto-main. =]

 

[courte]

i love how it all works... people who don't "accept it" are immediately stupid and harrased and then there's everyone else

 

[FieryRebirth]

Look at my last post for some of the main reasons people are panicking over the possibility of Marth(and Roy)being disconfirmed.

Human nature to not accept change, as it's feared as much as Death...



Guess what? It comes anyways...both do.

 

[Chris of STARS]

Alot of you are really gullable. The article doesn't give ANY hint at all as to whether this means Marth or Roy are or aren't returning. But one person takes it as deconfirmation and you all follow like sheep just because he says so?

 

[_Slick_]

Ah well, two more chances for WW Link and Lucario.

 

[FieryRebirth]

Maybe you should look through this topic more before you jump to conclusions as there are more Marth/Roy supporters panicking and criticizing than you think...seeing as you're possibly no different.

 

[Thi0s]

I don't know how to take the info. I don't want clones, but I want Roy and Marth, but they can't be in if they're clones of Ike so I'm confused... Well, I won't complain if there in, but I'm not into clones

Aww who cares I'm going to be happy if they're in but sad if they're not.

 

[SSoH]

i love how it all works... people who don't "accept it" are immediately stupid and harrased and then there's everyone else

Yea, I noticed a lot of that being a Ness fan

 

[Uoaei]

2) love the games he were in despite the fact he was a rather mediocre hero unit(or so I've heard)

A bit off topic, but I don't know where people are getting that Marth is a mediocre lord. He was really powerful in his games and even comparable to say, Hector. Only bad point about Marth is that he doesn't promote and even then if he did he'd be way too broken in his game.

 

[Anti Guy]

A bit off topic, but I don't know where people are getting that Marth is a mediocre lord. He was really powerful in his games and even comparable to say, Hector. Only bad point about Marth is that he doesn't promote and even then if he did he'd be way too broken in his game.

Probably from GameFAQs. I never played FE 1-3 (though I did do all the others), so I couldn't say. But what he said was something about Marth suffering from "sucky leader syndrome" (and likewise, Roy did too in an FE6 FAQ).

What I do know is that while Roy wasn't horrible, he pretty much sucked compared to everyone else, and was only really worth using in the end... after promoting ridiculously late. So yes, Roy does suck as a lord, and I'm guessing Marth might've sucked in the same way.

 

[NES Gamer]

Hmmm that is not specific enough to assume they axed those characters, i don't see why they would in the first place, if the game is going to be big i believe they will return most of the Melee roster (except very redundant characters like Dr. Mario or Pichu) and just add a lot of newcomers. There is not a real need to axe them anyway, i mean capacity? of course not.

 

[smashbot226]

wow this is bull****
why did they throw away a perfectly good moveset?

To make room for an even better moveset?

 

[UrajKingofDarkness]

Predecessors, by no means, is a word that deconfirms characters. You're really counting chickens if you make that kind of association.

Seriously, we'll know in less than 2 weeks. Give it a freaking rest.

 

[MarthTrinity]

And while I was going to sleep...I saw this thread and had to post...people....just calm...down...Looking through this thread I've seen people denying up and down that Marth/Roy/Ness will be removed, and I've seen people INSTANTLY saying "Oh well! I never used em anyway!" The thing is, Marth has what? One move in common with Ike? "LULZ! DOWN-B IS TEH SAME AND THEY HAS BLUE HAIR! MARTH DEKONFIRMED!" Marth is is NO way deconfirmed (neither are Roy or Ness until offically deconfirmed) regardless of what this article SLIGHTLY implicates. It's ONE word that we're freaking out over. We have what? Eleven days until Brawl is released in Japan? Let's just wait until then and THEN we'll see who's in Brawl and who's not. And I hate seeing people say "If Marth were low tier nobody would care!!"I started playing Marth before I even knew what the tier rankings were...so yeah...not all Marth players just like him because of his high tier ranking...(and while some might, I personally do not). Another thing is exactly what many other Smashers repeat, "Until it's de/confirmed on the Dojo, it hasn't happened." This is true to a degree...while I wouldn't say that ALL sources are to be counted out, I'd rather have a source that's in a language I understand (English >.>) or have it be visual proof (I.E. A picture/video of Marth/Roy/Ness as an assist trophy). So in conclusion...guess we'll just have to wait until the Japanese release to find out for sure. Night XD

 

[Dry Bones]

this thread takes "jumping to conclusions" to a whole new art form

 

[DekuBoy]

I'm not listening to anything not on the Dojo.

 

[united_kirby]

"Can Ike surpass his two predecessors?"

i thought because of this, it kinda confirms marth and roy. how can you compare 2 characters from 2 different games? well that doesn't realy make sence does it? no

 

[Johnknight1]

...And the people who loved Marth:

1) never played FE but loved his semi-broken moveset that was comparable to Peach's in 1v1(lolmarthsdownsmash) and doesn't want their 'IWIN' button taken away.

2) love the games he were in despite the fact he was a rather mediocre hero unit(or so I've heard)

3)Liked because he's portrayed as the original and first Lord of the FE series...I guess that's an okay reason.

1. Stop trolling. Any character takes skill to win, and no character is too overpowered. When a low tier character user can fight almost even with a top tier user in the world championship, the tiers aren't that bad. Stop being a f***ing anti-competitve player. Go back to 4chan where you belong.

2. You never played his two games, I HAVE! He was a good unit-a tad bit overpowered in the first game, and perfectly balanced in his second game. And who cares how strong he was, the point is he's been in three games, and no one else has been in more then two. In fact, Ike has only starred 1 1/2 FE games, Marth will have starred 3 with FE11. Ya, that's not important to his franchise at all. [/sarcasm]

3. C'mon! The Fire Emblem icon is still his f***ing sword!

This thread is stupid.

How does this in any way possible deconfirm any of them....

People jump to conclusions, just like the Sonic in Brawl "is not on our plate at the moment" comment, and MegaMan's creator saying he isn't in Brawl yet. People overspecuate like idiots, as always. And since when the f*** was Famitsu the "real" smash bros. authority=??? Unless they show us pictures of a character as a AT, PC, boss, or NPC their chances are unaffected. The dojo is the only source that is 100% true, along with Nintendo employees, and lastly, the final game. People-just shut the f*** up!

I'm not listening to anything not on the Dojo.

Everyone should listen to your genius logic, seriously. YAE TO INTELLIGENCE!

Alot of you are really gullable. The article doesn't give ANY hint at all as to whether this means Marth or Roy are or aren't returning. But one person takes it as deconfirmation and you all follow like sheep just because he says so?

Monkey see, monkey do. Monkey hear, monkey believe. When that makes sense, tell me!

This thread is stupid.

How does this in any way possible deconfirm any of them....

It doesn't. People are just stupid, and believe what they hear.

Reasons Marth might be cut:

1) Fire Emblem, as a series, has many installments with almost no character overlap. It is impossible to represent the entire series. Given this, Sakurai might want to represent as many different games as possible. Therefore, instead of just bringing back the same lords, he takes the old ones out and puts some new ones in, to ensure maximum series representment across Smash Bros. as a whole.

And Marth stars the next Fire Emblem game, and it will be his third. Sigurd stars half a game. Roy stars all one game. Hector and Eliwood star 1/3rd a game each. The lords of FE8 star half a game. Ike stars 1 1/2 games. Miciah stars 1/2 a game. MARTH STARS 3 F***ING GAMES, AND THE NEWEST ONE! He's far more important to the series then Ike-and far more popular.

2) The most highly renowned Fire Emblem game in Japan is FE4, starring Sigurd. Sigurd was even originally planned to be Marth's clone in Melee instead of Roy (or maybe Marth was the clone...but it doesn't really matter). Sigurd has pretty much the exact same build and weapon as Marth, and neither one of them has anything unique that contributes towards building their moveset. Sakurai might have decided he couldn't have them both in and give them both unique movesets, and therefore chose to put Sigurd in and have him inheret Marth's moveset, Ness/Lucas-style.

No, Marth was most popular, and still is. Why was the anime based of Marth's story, and why did Marth get a sequal to his game, but not Sigurd=??? Why is Marth getting his third game, while Sigurd only stars HALF A GAME=??? BTW, Sigurd is a Ike alternate color, basically (sorta like the Dixie Diddy relation)! >_<

3) Marth's moveset was very overpowered (high speed AND power AND range with no disadvantage) and, in my opinion, incredibly uninspired (basically every A attack is a vertical crescent slash in the suitable direction). It might have just been deemed unsalvageable. Or the changes that would have had to be made to it for it to be viable for Brawl would have caused it to be unsuitable for Marth conceptually (this could be the origin of Ike's moveset for all I know...even though their roles are different, the movesets themselves have some resemblance to one another, especially in the specials).

zOMG! This is a new game, n00b, NOT MELEE 2.0. He is fast, noble, quick, and a glorious swordfighter-like in his two games. If the top tiers weren't going to reeturn, why the f*** do we have Fox, and for the bottom, why Kirby=??? Tires don exits. Never use that reason again, because it's not areason. Meta Knight is a semi-clone of Kirby, and plays EXACTLY LIKE KIRBY IN MELEE, but instead of sucking, he's dominate. King Dedede also plays a lot like Kirby. The fact is those three are more alike then Marth, Roy, and Ike. That reason has been debunked. DId Sakurai say "there are characters named Marth and Roy who have appeared in the Smash Bros. series up until this point."=??? NO! Therefore-Marth is still a shoe-in.

Do any of these things singularly deconfirm Marth? Of course not. The point is it is possible for the developers to have decided to remove him for logical reasons, without being insane or anything. That in combination with his precarious position in the magazine paints a somewhat grim future for Marth.

Those aren't logical reasons by any means, I'm sorry. The Fire Emblem smash bros. icon is still Marth's sword for goodness sake.

This thread is a sign of why I don't believe sources other then the dojo. When Marth is confirmed, I'll laugh my a** off at you people's failure to take a unofficial sources MENTIONING of Roy and Marth to a deconfirmation.

 

[OrlanduEX]

1. Stop trolling. Any character takes skill to win, and no character is too overpowered. When a low tier character user can fight almost even with a top tier user in the world championship, the tiers aren't that bad. Stop being a f***ing anti-competitve player. Go back to 4chan where you belong.
2. You never played his two games, I HAVE! He was a good unit-a tad bit overpowered in the first game, and perfectly balanced in his second game. And who cares how strong he was, the point is he's been in three games, and no one else has been in more then two. In fact, Ike has only starred 1 1/2 FE games, Marth will have starred 3 with FE11. Ya, that's not important to his franchise at all. [/sarcasm]
3. C'mon! The Fire Emblem icon is still his f***ing sword!
People jump to conclusions, just like the Sonic in Brawl "is not on our plate at the moment" comment, and MegaMan's creator saying he isn't in Brawl yet. People overspecuate like idiots, as always. And since when the f*** was Famitsu the "real" smash bros. authority=??? Unless they show us pictures of a character as a AT, PC, boss, or NPC their chances are unaffected. The dojo is the only source that is 100% true, along with Nintendo employees, and lastly, the final game. People-just shut the f*** up!
Everyone should listen to your genius logic, seriously. YAE TO INTELLIGENCE!
Monkey see, monkey do. Monkey hear, monkey believe. When that makes sense, tell me!
It doesn't. People are just stupid, and believe what they hear.
Those aren't logical reasons by any means, I'm sorry. The Fire Emblem smash bros. icon is still Marth's sword for goodness sake.
This thread is a sign of why I don't believe sources other then the dojo. When Marth is confirmed, I'll laugh my a** off at you people's failure to take a unofficial sources MENTIONING of Roy and Marth to a deconfirmation.

I agree with you, but you needn't get so emotional. It's not like you're going to change anyone's mind. Everyone will believe what they want until it is confirmed otherwise.

 

[oxyborb]

Um, guys, why would they do articles about remembering characters if they were just going to appear in the game?

Because they've played and beaten the game. They know that these characters have been replaced. Besides, your main is lame, get a new one. Ness fans, move to Lucas. Lucas is cooler looking anyway. Marth/Roy fans, move to um... no you're screwed, learn to play Link or Ice Climbers or someone.

Let me explain a bit more. This magazine is obviously under contract with Nintendo, so that they get to review the game early, as long as they don't reveal any new characters/information. It's called an embargo. Notice that they didn't even show any new veterans, save Sheik but she was DOJO'd the next morning. However if Ness, Roy, and Marth aren't in the game, they can obviously talk about the characters. Those characters are not under embargo.

 

[RedrappeR]

Regardless of whether or not it de-confirms them, it's doesn't exactly help reassure their inclusion.

 

[mezbomber]

Um, guys, why would they do articles about remembering characters if they were just going to appear in the game?

Because they've played and beaten the game. They know that these characters have been replaced. Besides, your main is lame, get a new one. Ness fans, move to Lucas. Lucas is cooler looking anyway. Marth/Roy fans, move to um... no you're screwed, learn to play Link or Ice Climbers or someone.

Let me explain a bit more. This magazine is obviously under contract with Nintendo, so that they get to review the game early, as long as they don't reveal any new characters/information. It's called an embargo. Notice that they didn't even show any new veterans, save Sheik but she was DOJO'd the next morning. However if Ness, Roy, and Marth aren't in the game, they can obviously talk about the characters. Those characters are not under embargo.

that's a good point about the embargo. they probably couldn't do a "do you remember Capt.Falcon?" article or any other returning veterans because they're probably in the game, and they can't give that away. Then again, there's no "do you remember Doctor Mario?" No, I'm not eluding that Doctor Mario is confirmed. It's only when there's a replacement (lucas and Ike) that we need to remember where these new guys come from. There's no talk of remembering Donkey Kong because his predecessor Diddy is now joining the fight. There's no remembering Kirby, and then introducing MK or DDD. Remember Samus? Now she can take her power suit off.

I'm betting on no more Marth, Roy, Ness

 

[bobwaffles]

Marth, Roy, and/or Ness being cut isn't out of consideration, but then again, it doesn't explicitly say they're deconfirmed. We'll know in a week, anyway.

 

[OrlanduEX]

Um, guys, why would they do articles about remembering characters if they were just going to appear in the game?

Because they've played and beaten the game. They know that these characters have been replaced. Besides, your main is lame, get a new one. Ness fans, move to Lucas. Lucas is cooler looking anyway. Marth/Roy fans, move to um... no you're screwed, learn to play Link or Ice Climbers or someone.

Let me explain a bit more. This magazine is obviously under contract with Nintendo, so that they get to review the game early, as long as they don't reveal any new characters/information. It's called an embargo. Notice that they didn't even show any new veterans, save Sheik but she was DOJO'd the next morning. However if Ness, Roy, and Marth aren't in the game, they can obviously talk about the characters. Those characters are not under embargo.

They didn't explicitly disconfirm Marth, Roy, or Ness. I don't see why they'd disconfirm them through inference rather than a clear statement.

 

[EPX2]

Um, guys, why would they do articles about remembering characters if they were just going to appear in the game?

Because they've played and beaten the game. They know that these characters have been replaced. Besides, your main is lame, get a new one. Ness fans, move to Lucas. Lucas is cooler looking anyway. Marth/Roy fans, move to um... no you're screwed, learn to play Link or Ice Climbers or someone.

Let me explain a bit more. This magazine is obviously under contract with Nintendo, so that they get to review the game early, as long as they don't reveal any new characters/information. It's called an embargo. Notice that they didn't even show any new veterans, save Sheik but she was DOJO'd the next morning. However if Ness, Roy, and Marth aren't in the game, they can obviously talk about the characters. Those characters are not under embargo.

If the magazine is under contract with Nintendo, don't you think the provisions of the contract would also prevent them from confirming that a certain character is *not* returning? Because by doing that, they would obviously be revealing new information, which would violate said contract (going from what you've said). I mean, if Nintendo is telling them, "You're not allowed to say so-and-so is returning", I'd expect them to say, "You're also not allowed to say so-and-so ISN'T returning." If they can't say who's returning, why would they be permitted to say who isn't?

They didn't explicitly disconfirm Marth, Roy, or Ness. I don't see why they'd disconfirm them through inference rather than a clear statement.

Exactly. They didn't hint that Sheik was returning, they outright confirmed her existence - with a screenshot, to boot. Exactly what would be the point in simply suggesting that those three characters are not returning? If they know that for a fact, why not just say it? They were completely upfront about Sheik, why be any less direct now?

 

[User33]

Why is this still open?

People who are saying that they're gone because they were mentioned in the guide; you're so wrong it's funny. The only reason why they did an article on them instead of Captain Falcon for example, is because they were the predecessors to the characters in their respective series. Pretty much every other veteran either had their own series, or wasn't a predecessor.

This magazine was made based entirely on DOJO info. They just said something about Ness and Marth and Roy to go with the history section. THAT'S IT!

Close this topic, and LOL at 1 star rating.

PS: Brawl Central changed the article to say that it could be taken a number of different ways. This alone should warrent a close.

 

[Phlemingo]

The mention of these characters in this article is showing that they had some importance. Why would this article even mention these characters If they weren't showing up in Brawl. A large proportion of this magazines readers wants a confirmation of a character, not a deconfirmation.

 

[Ithilgore]

I didn't expect Roy back, seeing as he was a clone, and only really in Melee for advertisment, but I very much expected Marth to be back, he's a popular character and has his own moveset. I'd still say I think he'll be back as a hidden character.

 

[oxyborb]

If the magazine is under contract with Nintendo, don't you think the provisions of the contract would also prevent them from confirming that a certain character is *not* returning? Because by doing that, they would obviously be revealing new information, which would violate said contract (going from what you've said). I mean, if Nintendo is telling them, "You're not allowed to say so-and-so is returning", I'd expect them to say, "You're also not allowed to say so-and-so ISN'T returning." If they can't say who's returning, why would they be permitted to say who isn't?

No, I don't think it works like that. Nintendo has nothing to hide or gain by showing that cut characters are cut. New info is commonly considered to be what's actually in the game. I mean, otherwise, new info might be that Master Chief is not in the game.

This magazine was made based entirely on DOJO info. They just said something about Ness and Marth and Roy to go with the history section. THAT'S IT!

Yeah, right, that's why all special moves were shown with new pictures to boot! Th people who made this played the game. They're just restricted from giving out new info.

that's a good point about the embargo. they probably couldn't do a "do you remember Capt.Falcon?" article or any other returning veterans because they're probably in the game, and they can't give that away. Then again, there's no "do you remember Doctor Mario?" No, I'm not eluding that Doctor Mario is confirmed. It's only when there's a replacement (lucas and Ike) that we need to remember where these new guys come from. There's no talk of remembering Donkey Kong because his predecessor Diddy is now joining the fight. There's no remembering Kirby, and then introducing MK or DDD. Remember Samus? Now she can take her power suit off.

lol, it's my guess that they're not going to do retrospectives on unimportant characters like Dr. Mario or Pichu.

The mention of these characters in this article is showing that they had some importance. Why would this article even mention these characters If they weren't showing up in Brawl. A large proportion of this magazines readers wants a confirmation of a character, not a deconfirmation.

because people like retrospectives
nostalgia sells.

 

[mezbomber]

If the magazine is under contract with Nintendo, don't you think the provisions of the contract would also prevent them from confirming that a certain character is *not* returning? Because by doing that, they would obviously be revealing new information, which would violate said contract (going from what you've said). I mean, if Nintendo is telling them, "You're not allowed to say so-and-so is returning", I'd expect them to say, "You're also not allowed to say so-and-so ISN'T returning." If they can't say who's returning, why would they be permitted to say who isn't?

Actually, this makes sense. So, they can mention them because they're not returning, but they can't outright say that they're not returning...both because of the embargo.

 

[EPX2]

No, I don't think it works like that. Nintendo has nothing to hide or gain by showing that cut characters are cut. New info is commonly considered to be what's actually in the game. I mean, otherwise, new info might be that Master Chief is not in the game.

If Nintendo has nothing to lose/gain from showing that certain characters are not returning, exactly why isn't the article just confirming as a fact that those three are gone then? Also, if they have nothing to lose/gain from showing that certain characters aren't coming back, then logic would dictate (at least to me) that they having nothing to lose/gain from showing that certain characters are coming back. Obviously this isn't true as any character confirmation generates hype, so at the same time, I'd expect the confirmation of a character not returning to also generate "hype" (i.e. negative attention).

And new information is considered to be anything previously unknown about the game; it doesn't specifically have to be unknown details about the game's content. Did you not consider the most recent delay to be new info? And your analogy doesn't quite work because it's already known that Master Chief is not in the game; it was confirmed long ago that for a third-party character to appear in SSBB, they must have appeared on a Nintendo console at some point in time. That's not new information in the least bit; however, confirming whether or not a veteran who has not been revealed in a DOJO update *is* new info.

Saying that Samus is playable or that Waluigi isn't playable isn't new info; saying that Marth is or isn't returning, however, is.

 

[User33]

People who say that this is proof they are out, are really grasping at straws. There is no concrete proof that anybody is out, and we should not take this as confirmation.

 

[-NEOLINK-]

That pretty much deconfirms Marth & Roy, but yeah it didnt directly say anything about Ness to fully deconfirm him.